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Some of y'all are not ready to hear this... (lemmy.world)
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[–] 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

What the fuck are you talking about I've heard it a million fucking times already. Its all anti-Harris lefties talk about.

Having fun with the fascism we've got instead? Thanks for that BTW. Real good. Really makes me motivated to fight for my rights when my follow lefties keep empowering fascists through inaction in the most simplistic and basic fucking democratic function of going to a polling place and voting once every 4 years for the lib that'll beat the fascist.

I really wanna go fight ICE in hand to hand combat and get shot in the fucking face knowing this probably could have been prevented.

Also if you are going to complain that I'm not bagging on the centrist/liberal dems for losing because they refused to budge left: I fucking hate them too, you can both suck shit directly out of my asshole.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Yeah, there are a lot of stupid fucking idiots out there, including on Lemmy, that are going to do the same stupid fucking thing they did last time and either not vote or vote for a 3rd party candidate that cannot, under any circumstance, win. And we'll descend even further into fascism.

    Lot of stupids. But as I scroll down these comments, the majority are calling this meme out for the stupid fucking bullshit that it is. So I still have a little hope. I'm sure that'll get destroyed in the near future.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Progressives do vote for centrists. Centrists do not return the favor and vote for progressives. Harris didn't lose because the left staying home; the left held their nose and voted for her, even though that loyalty is a one-way street. She lost because she was such a dog shit candidate that she couldn't drive enough people who aren't highly politically engaged to the polls. The only reason she lost the election was because of her own poor decisions. Stop blaming the left for the failures of centrist democrats.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    This is the same frustrating conversation we had to have when people blamed Clinton’s loss on Bernie bros staying home.

    Even when we had concrete data that showed that a higher percentage of bernie voters voted for Clinton in 2016 than Clinton voters voted for Obama when he won the primaries.

    The data tells us over and over that progressive and demsoc voters show up in higher numbers for candidates they prefer less than centrists will when presented with someone ideologically further left.

    Are there people that wouldn’t vote for the centrist candidate, sure. But Mamdani is currently seeing how many centrists are happy to say “fuck strategy, I’m supporting cuomo!”

    I get why those that still have faith in the Democratic Party are upset about the defeat. But I also understand why leftists are tired of being told “vote for this compromise candidate” in every election and even when we do turn out getting scape goated for them running garbage candidates that fail to capture the further left elements AND tons of non-left voters who sat at home and didn’t bother to vote.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Giving a shit is more work than not giving a shit. But voting for a candidate doesn't mean you like them and it doesn't bind you to supporting them. I can post "Harris is a cop fuck cops >:-(" after I voted for her.

    IMO the key is: how long does it take you to vote, and if you don't vote what are you doing with that time that is more valuable and progressive?

    If someone told me, "I didn't vote last election because I was campaigning 18 hours a day for native land rights and there was no way to get mail or reach a polling place" OK. I'm not blaming that person. They're working way the fuck harder than I am to make the world better. If someone told me, "I didn't vote last election because I barely survive on my three jobs and the GOP has made my polling place a 6 hour line that I have to drive to. I can't even afford the gas to get there." Yeah, that makes sense.

    But I never hear that from online progressives. I hear, "oh I didn't vote because both parties suck." "I didn't vote because they didn't support ." "I didn't vote because there's no point." These are all shitty answers. Better answer is: "I did vote for the Democratic candidate and I'll always vote for the most progressive candidate available." That's the minimum effort.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    She lost because Dems stayed home, low turnout in key Democratic areas. No matter how bad you think she was as a candidate you're not going to convince me that she was worse than the dog shit candidate that won, and that's on the people that stayed home.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    She was objectively worse. Trump represented his base. Kamala didn't. Trump is objectively the better politician. He gave his base exactly what they wanted. She refused to, preferring to pander to wealthy conservatives instead. You can argue she had better policies, but you cannot argue that she wasn't an absolute dogshit candidate. She was simply bad at being a politician and had no business being at the top of the ticket.

    You need to separate quality of policies from quality of candidate. You'll never make any progress as long as you keep conflating the two.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    She was objectively worse.

    Today I learned a prosecutor with a doctorate in law who has committed no crimes and ran a campaign primarily focused on unity and inclusion is objectively worse than a convicted felon and adjudicated rapist who illegally attempted to overturn an election after inciting an insurrection and ran a campaign based on hate and fear.

    She refused to, preferring to pander to wealthy conservatives instead.

    She refused to lie through her fucking teeth to her base or make enemies of our fellow Americans to win an election. And she gave a podium to a prominent conservative that spoke out against Trump. Maybe not a great move, but not some betrayal.

    She also ran with virtually no preparation out of necessity.

    We can keep blaming Harris or we can start blaming stupid fucking Americans that jeopardized our democracy because she wasn't the best candidate ever. Like, what kind of broken fucking brain thinks "well, she's not that great, so let me gamble with a felon rapist traitor instead"?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Reading comprehension. You're confusing policies for candidate quality. Trump was a good politician with shitty policies. Kamala was a dog shit politician with ok policies.

    It's pointless to blame the electorate because they're not going anywhere. Or are you more of a Zionist type, who would prefer just killing the electorate if they don't vote your way?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    She was in-arguably the worst candidate because she lost. She wouldn't have been the worst president.

    The bullshit is centrists blaming it on the left. We told them how to win, and they went a different way. We showed up for her anyways, but the shitty candidate lost.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I'm blaming anyone who choose not to vote for her who were center or left of center. Anyone. As stated: if you are to my right or to my left and you explicitly choose not to vote for Harris and could have, you can suck shit.

    If you discouraged people from voting for her: you can suck shit. If you constantly criticized her and barely talked about how fucking dangerous Trump is in general political discourse: you can suck shit.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Any American that isn't braindead stupid knew what was on the line this election.

    And any American that knew what was on the line voted for Harris.

    You can blame Democrats all day, and they do shoulder some blame, but the majority of the blame falls on stupid fucking Americans that couldn't rub some brain cells together, not a party that isn't great at messaging.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    And what do you hope to accomplish by blaming the electorate? They're not going anywhere. You can bitch about the voters all you want. But ultimately, if you fail to appeal to them, that just means you're a bad politician. Complaining about voters is like complaining about the weather.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    What the fuck are you talking about I’ve heard it a million fucking times already. Its all anti-Harris lefties talk about.

    Uh, no. This anti-Harris lefty, like the vast majority of anti-Harris lefties, knows an outside strategy is insane and mostly right wing propaganda.

    Having fun with the fascism we’ve got instead?

    Maybe if there had been more anti-Harris lefties in the party, we would have had a viable candidate. The hardline centrists did this.

    makes me motivated to fight for my rights when my follow lefties keep empowering fascists through inaction

    Nope. The following is from a Pew Research study.

    The typology groups at either end of the political spectrum, Faith and Flag Conservatives and Progressive Left, are also the most politically engaged – that is, they voted at the highest rates in the 2020 presidential election, and they are most likely to say they post about politics on social media and that they donated to campaigns. The groups in the middle of the ideological spectrum have much lower levels of political engagement.

    So quit uncritically accepting the mainstream establishment excuses. Harris lost because she was a shitty candidate, not because the left doesn't vote.

    you can both suck shit directly out of my asshole.

    Gosh, were you out campaigning for Harris? I just can't understand how she didn't attract more voters. Scolding voters seems like such a solid strategy. /s

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Uh, no. This anti-Harris lefty, like the vast majority of anti-Harris lefties, knows an outside strategy is insane and mostly right wing propaganda.

    I meant anti-Harris lefties who actively wanted her to lose to Trump. (Which TBH, if they were vocally anti-Harris when it was clear it was her or Trump, they did)

    Maybe if there had been more anti-Harris lefties in the party, we would have had a viable candidate.

    How? How would you propose that could have realistically happened?

    Nope. The following is from a Pew Research study.

    So quit uncritically accepting the mainstream establishment excuses. Harris lost because she was a shitty candidate, not because the left doesn’t vote.

    Did I say it was specifically because "the left doesn't vote"? No.

    Its partially because more of them don't vote compared to the last election.

    https://www.commondreams.org/news/harris-gaza

    https://www.teenvogue.com/story/kamala-harris-moved-right-did-it-cost-her-the-election

    https://www.newsweek.com/kamala-harris-underperformed-three-demographics-1981222

    The ratios of progressives vs centrists who normally vote anyway is irrelevant. What is crucial is the percentage shift in voting behavior within groups election to election. Clearly this election centrist Democrats, Progressive Democrats, and left leaning indies failed to get out and vote compared to previous elections.

    Its not hard to figure out why but its not a singular reason.

    Now does some of the blame go to the Democratic establishment? ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY. But not all of it.

    Fuck everyone even remotely responsible. Just fuck them. I legitimately hate them. (Including Harris and Biden themselves)

    Gosh, were you out campaigning for Harris? I just can’t understand how she didn’t attract more voters. Scolding voters seems like such a solid strategy. /s

    I did actually, I traveled 5 hours out of state to canvass for her in a swing state. I was a different person then.

    I can tell you, I'm done now. Political action is dead for me. I don't want to swim up a fucking waterfall anymore. I'm done spending my own time and money on this shit. Not enough people give a flying fuck. If it takes things getting critically apocalyptic-level bad for average people to move their dumb-fuck-asses and be politically conscious about what is going to happen to them when fascists win I can't bring myself to care about them anymore.

    So you can go ahead and choose to not vote next election. I don't care enough to argue with you on that now. Because now it wont be arguments convincing people, it'll be catastrophic damage done to the country and their ability to put 2 and 2 together.

    The time of bickering for positive change is over. Now we get to see some mass death and material suffering. I already tried. I not putting more of myself in for a ride I very much did not sign up for and in fact tried very hard to avoid.

    At this point I'm just screaming into brick wall for a sliver of catharsis.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    I meant anti-Harris lefties who actively wanted her to lose to Trump

    If you think that's a large enough group that it had any impact whatsoever on the election, then you are insane.

    How? How would you propose that could have realistically happened?

    Well, for one we wouldn't have nominated Biden and never would have been in that position with Harris. We might have also held Biden's feet to the fire more, thus discovering his mental state long before election time.

    Its partially because more of them don’t vote compared to the last election.

    None of that says that "lefties" in particular didn't vote for Harris. Left policy sells, so a further left Harris would have done better, but that's the establishment's fault, not leftists. It also doesn't take a leftist to be against genocide.

    Now does some of the blame go to the Democratic establishment? ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY. But not all of it.

    That's funny, because nothing you said before gave them any fault at all, and you definitely seemed in the mood to throw fault around.

    So you can go ahead and choose to not vote next election. I don’t care enough to argue with you on that now.

    WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING TO?

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