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A European Parliament member claimed that the U.S. gave Europe three weeks to agree on Ukraine's "surrender" terms or risk an American withdrawal from Europe.

Mika Aaltola made the claim on X, but provided no evidence. NBC News reported that Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth suggested a U.S. troop reduction in Europe.

Trump reportedly plans to cut 20,000 troops and demand greater NATO contributions. He has pushed for higher NATO defense spending.

Trump may meet with Putin soon, believing Russia holds the upper hand in negotiations.

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[–] 191 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

In a post on X, formerly Twitter, Finland's Mika Aaltola of the European People's Party claimed that the U.S. "has given us three weeks to agree on terms for Ukraine's surrender," referring to a proposed peace deal aimed at ending the war.

"If we don't, the United States will withdraw from Europe," Aaltola added.

Trump is demanding that Europe hand Ukraine to Russia, or he will hand Europe to Russia. This man is not working for the good of the USA or its traditional allies. He is working against them, destroying Europe, NATO and the USA for the sake of himself, Vladimir Putin and a few Nazi billionaires.

And clearly when he threatens Europe like that they should not for a minute believe that he will not hand them over to Russia if they do what he says. Given that, Europe should tell him to get lost.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago

    To be fair, Mika Aaltola is known in Finland as a noted populist and doomsayer that has a flair for the dramatic. His foreign policy predictions have also been pretty much all wrong since before the start of war in Ukraine.

    I'd take anything he says or leaks with a big spoon of salt.

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  • [–] 153 points 1 year ago (32 children)

    Russia is losing in Ukraine but some how in the Orange Turds mind Russia is wining. Russia has the upper hand with their Puppet in the USA.

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  • [–] 136 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    No no, he doesn't think that Russia is winning, he wants Russia to win.

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    [–] 120 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I mean, we've all already assumed US capitulation and cessation of any alliance tbh. It only took about two weeks.

    Jog on.

    Best of luck with China and that supply chain. They're looking at how you're throwing Ukraine under the bus and thinking "Oh hell yes".

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    I'm confused by what you mean. Yes, if you disconnect from Europe you would absolutely need China's supply chain. And Russia proved it's a very powerful supply chain. Hate it all you want, but without even sending weapons, Russia was able to sustain the war under massive sanctions.

    I mean, if Trump actually secures China's supply chain and actually decided war is the best way to resolve Greenland and Panama, well, the world would be completely fucked. There's nothing the rest of the world could do to stop any of this. The horrifying combination of US military, tech and China's production capacity, Jesus fuck that's terrifying.

    The worst thing is, this is now a likely scenario. Considering Trump and Putin are both on board, the entirety of humanity is now dependant on Xi not being as power hungry and insane. God this is nightmare fuel.

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    [–] 94 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    risk an American withdrawal from Europe.

    Why is this a threat? Is there a reason Europe would want a hostile country to remain there?

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yeah. We need to prepare to defend Greenland from the US. Having 100.000 enemy troops stationed all over the continent who need to be contained first makes it practically impossible.

    And now the mask is finally peeling off. The US bases around the world are not their to defend the countries they are in. They are there to defend the US interests. This should be obvious to anyone, who can read just a little bit of history, but better late than never.

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    [–] 82 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Any American willing to fight Europe is a piece of shit, especially if it’s your job.

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    [–] 80 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Fuck him. First, he'll do what we wants regardless of whether you concede to his demands. If we wants to withdraw troops, he'll withdraw them, no matter what concessions you make to him in hopes of preventing that. Look at his history. Look at how he has treated the other party in Every. Single. One. of the "deals" that he's made. He fucks them over. NEVER believe he'll hold up his side of whatever bargain you make. He won't.

    Don't ever concede to this bully. The more you concede, the more demands he'll make, like with a blackmailer. Call his bluff. Say, "Sorry, we don't agree. If that means you'll withdraw, then don't let the screen door hit ya where the good lord split ya on the way out." Bam! End of bullying and if he didn't want to withdraw, he'll find some excuse no to go through with it (or probably just lie and say you agreed to do something for him behind the scenes).

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    [–] 70 points 1 year ago (26 children)

    He's gonna withdraw anyways...he works for you Putin. They are ramping for WW3 with the world vs USA/Russia/China..fucked up to put us with Russia but here we are.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yeah he'll withdraw troops and NATO support no matter how things go in Europe ...

    He'll need more armyboots at home defending his regime ... also needs to recoup costs due to losing out on tax income and tariff lies. Then there is this thing where he wants to give Putin this favor of dismantling NATO.

    So, his demand was 2% in 2017 ... and countries are exceeding that, Poland is already spending more than even the US, and Germany is climbing, so he upped it to 5% to get the excuse of the US backing out.

    Even if they meet 5%, in a few years he'll up it further.

    Ofcourse for now he'll assume the NATO members still feel bound to keep supplying intelligence information and buy American weaponry, even if NATO falls apart.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Has China given an indication they're allied with the US? This is an earnest question.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I think it's more trump / Putin and Putin/ Winnie the Pooh so they are just all friends

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    [–] 66 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    If I was a Russian agent, and had managed to become the US President, he's doing EXACTLY what I would to to gut and destroy the US. The Fanta Menace doesn't even seem to be trying to hide the fact he works for Putin. So how has he not been charges with treason? Signed, Confused Non-US person.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Because the republicans have spent years gutting oversight, and decades making the populace dumber. This is their final putsch to fully gut the government so they can have complete power. And they’ve mostly succeeded already. The people are beyond disengaged from four years of this four years ago, plus Covid, plus struggling to survive in late stage American capitalism. It’s the perfect storm for a fascist takeover. And they’re taking full advantage.

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  • [–] 65 points 1 year ago

    Do it! I dare you! Fuck of from europe! Take all your companies with you! Dont sell us weapons anymore!

    Democracie is none negotiatable and we dont negotiate with terrorist acomplices!

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  • [–] 62 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Call his bluff.

    American soft power around the globe relies on having those bases on foreign soil.

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    [–] 49 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    risk an American withdrawal from Europe.

    Do it, coward

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Boy do I wish the EU and the UK would sign an agreement to cut all trade immediately with the U.S. and force the isolation this bafoon pretends they want. Prices will skyrocket everywhere, but the number of dumb Trump followers will fall off a cliff and he would be forced to step down by the oligarchs he surrounded himself with. The market would crash for certain.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Idk anymore. The maga handlers have complete control of the maga cult media machine. I could imagine this happening, and right media spinning up a lie that maga eats up. "Biden did this with the Democrats!" He encouraged a coup that was recorded, and people all but forgot about it.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    They can lie all they want. No trade means inflation. Inflation means markets crashing. It can't be stopped without spreading wealth oligarchs don't want to share with those in need. When people starve, they will murder rampantly to stay alive.

    Most of the rich are smart enough to know they only stay rich if the people stay peaceful and mildly satiated. You don't want to lock yourself in with 250,000,000 starving people with guns.

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    [–] 44 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Yeah, well we didn't vote for him. He can keep his lunacy for his subjects.

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    [–] 39 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Being an American that feels like they no longer have a home, I would like Europe to unleash holy hell upon the US. Do not let this fascicle president dictate what you do for your continent. You were fine before we took over swaths of your countries for their bases, you can be the strong leaders that the West need to fight everything that's going on in your vicinity with Russia, North Korea, and any other rogue nation. I hate to say it, but the US is a part of that sentence as well. The US will not protect you anymore, I have absolutely no faith that the US will step up when you need them the most. Protect yourselves.

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    [–] 38 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    If any European country bows down to Donald, I’ll boycott it for the rest of my life

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    [–] 36 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    And I give trump three weeks to vacate the white House and the presidency.

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    [–] 35 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    What would be the purpose of US support in Europe if not defending against Russia?

    The US presence in Europe exists to facilitate US power projection, if we are not stopping Russian advancement then there is no reason for host countries to allow US bases in their territory.

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    [–] 32 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Time for Europe to man up and show the middle finger.

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    [–] 32 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Even if we were to agree to those demands, there is no garantie they would actually help in defense of us!

    We had to defend them when they called articel 5 but wont do the same for us!

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago*

    I really hope the rest of the world leaders keep this at the forefront of their mind: Trump doesn't keep his word. Also, Trump doesn't pay his debts.

    Attempting to make ANY deal with him is foolish. The wisest move is to expect him to screw over anyone who attempts to "work with" him, because unless you're holding his purse strings, he'll use you and lose you at his soonest opportunity. He is a cancer cell stealing resources from all the healthy cells around him - expect him to give nothing and take everything for his own gain.

    I know to some that is "preaching to the choir," but living in the U.S. at a time like this, I really don't know who's been charmed by his BS vs who can see what's really going on. I imagine those outside the U.S. have better perspective, but I can't just expect people to be rational anymore.

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  • [+] 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
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    [–] 29 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The European NATO members should tell the AmeriKans they have 3 weeks to shutdown all their military bases until Jan 2029.

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    [–] 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Trump is gambling with monopoly money.

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    [–] 22 points 1 year ago

    Art of the deal. Plan A is to give three weeks to sign off on the surrender. When they refuse, Plan B starts. Plan B is that there is no Plan B.

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    Or... Trump can pull the us military out of Europe, Canada joins the EU, and we seize American and russian assets to build a truly massive army.

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    [–] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    We need regime change in the USA. The global community should work together for this endeavor.

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