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[–] Beaver@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) A whole foods plant-based diet is 30% cheaper. Eating plants is not as of a much of a privilege as you believe it to be. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) or who catches, raises, or hunts their own. How does catching, raising, or hunting meat compare to planting or gathering their own plant-based food? Or how does 'free or subsidized meat' compare with free or subsidized plant based food? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) How does catching, raising, or hunting meat compare to planting or gathering their own plant-based food? as the deer spends all year gathering nutrients, and they can spend one morning gathering the deer, it seems to me it's highly effective. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Most vegans would allow an exception for certain lifestyles. People hunting for their homestead aren't going to cause a global issue like is currently happening. Ideally we wouldnt hunt at all but thats like some sort of futuristic goal. Noones going to tell you to starve your family to appease veganism, thats not the point. The point is to reduce suffering and abuse wherever possible. Sometimes its not possible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago People hunting for their homestead aren’t going to cause a global issue like is currently happening. that's not what the vegan society says about animal exploitation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lol, ok so you're including labor cost? A couple years of a dear 'gathering nutrients', vs a summer of cultivating a garden and harvesting? Or do I need to include the energy expenditure (energy ingested by the dear minus energy lost to biological processes, vs solar energy collected minus energy expended on building plant mass and energy expended in harvest)? I was really just pointing out the absurdity of your complaint about the study but you're making this into a fun little digression. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) it costs us almost nothing to take down a deer. it costs us a great deal to raise a garden. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Costs nothing to harvest a plant, too. Costs a great deal to own a gun and ammunition, a truck to haul, tools and labor to clean and butcher, and more to store and prepare it. To speak nothing of the labor of the dear to produce the biomass. Lol we can keep going with this if you want, it's pretty fun. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Costs nothing to harvest a plant, too. foraging for plants is a lot less calorie efficient than hunting or fishing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao not if you're hunting with spears! Or are we allowed to use tools in this hypothetical digression? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) you're the one obsessed with defending a paper whose scope was too limited to cover any of these scenarios so do what you want i guess permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're the one obsessed with dismissing the paper based on qualifiers beyond the scope of the research, so you do you I guess. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) i'm not dismissing the paper. i'm explaining how it's being deceptively framed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't think there was anything deceptive about its framing, it was addressing the claim that 'vegan diets are a luxury' permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) but it doesn't actually show whether poor people can afford a vegan diet. it's misleading. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's not trying to prove that people on food stamps can afford a diet the government hasn't designed their food program for them to afford lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) It’s not trying to prove that people on food stamps can afford a diet the government hasn’t designed their food program for them to afford lmao no, but beaver's claim that it's 30% cheaper may not be true for those people. i mean it could be. it could possibly be EVEN CHEAPER. i don't really know. and the linked oxford study doesn't tell us. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago i don’t really know YES, now you're getting it permalink fedilink source parent [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lol we can keep going with this if you want, it’s pretty fun. this smacks of bad faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago Lmao I thought that's what you were doing permalink fedilink source parent [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) if it's free, then throwing it out and acquiring plants is more expensive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) If it's free then throwing it out costs nothing though, right? Or are you talking about the cost of the state subsidy? Wouldn't it be cheaper to the state to subsidize a plant-based diet instead? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago (15 children) Wouldn’t it be cheaper to the state to subsidize a plant-based diet instead? regardless of what would be a good decision for the state, the oxford paper doesn't acknowledge the material conditions of most people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments load more comments (15 replies) [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) If it’s free then throwing it out costs nothing though, right? but replacing it would cost something. throwing away perfectly good food isn't something most people think is a moral good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I thought your point was to disregard the morality of the diet and focus on the economics? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) this subthread was about beaver's misleading link. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Their link was addressing the claim that eating vegan is a luxury. For what the comment was responding to I think it was perfectly well framed, but you can extrapolate anything you want from it if that's your thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) heir link was addressing the claim that eating vegan is a luxury. and it did so misleadingly, as being in teh position to always pay full price for food at a store is a luxury. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) as being in teh position to always pay full price for food at a store is a luxury. Not if by 'cost' they meant 'cost', and not 'what they get from the state at no cost' permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) if i have food, throwing it away and getting more food is more expensive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) The paper wasn't discussing food stamp programs or even what food you might already have permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) right. it's simply not scoped to support the claim tha being vegan is 30% cheaper permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) What they claimed was "a whole foods plant-based diet is 30% cheaper." Which is factually supported by the study, even if you'd prefer to interpret it to mean something else permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) What they claimed was “a whole foods plant-based diet is 30% cheaper.” Which is factually supported by the study ...for a limited segment of the population. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago* It's actually not speaking about the personal costs born by consumers, it's talking about the cost of purchasing food for the diet. As I said, if the paper was discussing the systemic hurtles and personal choices of consumers it would be a different paper, saying a different thing. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) or who catches, raises, or hunts their own. How does catching, raising, or hunting meat compare to planting or gathering their own plant-based food? Or how does 'free or subsidized meat' compare with free or subsidized plant based food? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) How does catching, raising, or hunting meat compare to planting or gathering their own plant-based food? as the deer spends all year gathering nutrients, and they can spend one morning gathering the deer, it seems to me it's highly effective. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Most vegans would allow an exception for certain lifestyles. People hunting for their homestead aren't going to cause a global issue like is currently happening. Ideally we wouldnt hunt at all but thats like some sort of futuristic goal. Noones going to tell you to starve your family to appease veganism, thats not the point. The point is to reduce suffering and abuse wherever possible. Sometimes its not possible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago People hunting for their homestead aren’t going to cause a global issue like is currently happening. that's not what the vegan society says about animal exploitation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lol, ok so you're including labor cost? A couple years of a dear 'gathering nutrients', vs a summer of cultivating a garden and harvesting? Or do I need to include the energy expenditure (energy ingested by the dear minus energy lost to biological processes, vs solar energy collected minus energy expended on building plant mass and energy expended in harvest)? I was really just pointing out the absurdity of your complaint about the study but you're making this into a fun little digression. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) it costs us almost nothing to take down a deer. it costs us a great deal to raise a garden. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Costs nothing to harvest a plant, too. Costs a great deal to own a gun and ammunition, a truck to haul, tools and labor to clean and butcher, and more to store and prepare it. To speak nothing of the labor of the dear to produce the biomass. Lol we can keep going with this if you want, it's pretty fun. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Costs nothing to harvest a plant, too. foraging for plants is a lot less calorie efficient than hunting or fishing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao not if you're hunting with spears! Or are we allowed to use tools in this hypothetical digression? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) you're the one obsessed with defending a paper whose scope was too limited to cover any of these scenarios so do what you want i guess permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're the one obsessed with dismissing the paper based on qualifiers beyond the scope of the research, so you do you I guess. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) i'm not dismissing the paper. i'm explaining how it's being deceptively framed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't think there was anything deceptive about its framing, it was addressing the claim that 'vegan diets are a luxury' permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) but it doesn't actually show whether poor people can afford a vegan diet. it's misleading. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's not trying to prove that people on food stamps can afford a diet the government hasn't designed their food program for them to afford lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) It’s not trying to prove that people on food stamps can afford a diet the government hasn’t designed their food program for them to afford lmao no, but beaver's claim that it's 30% cheaper may not be true for those people. i mean it could be. it could possibly be EVEN CHEAPER. i don't really know. and the linked oxford study doesn't tell us. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago i don’t really know YES, now you're getting it permalink fedilink source parent [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lol we can keep going with this if you want, it’s pretty fun. this smacks of bad faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago Lmao I thought that's what you were doing permalink fedilink source parent [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) if it's free, then throwing it out and acquiring plants is more expensive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) If it's free then throwing it out costs nothing though, right? Or are you talking about the cost of the state subsidy? Wouldn't it be cheaper to the state to subsidize a plant-based diet instead? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago (15 children) Wouldn’t it be cheaper to the state to subsidize a plant-based diet instead? regardless of what would be a good decision for the state, the oxford paper doesn't acknowledge the material conditions of most people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments load more comments (15 replies) [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) If it’s free then throwing it out costs nothing though, right? but replacing it would cost something. throwing away perfectly good food isn't something most people think is a moral good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I thought your point was to disregard the morality of the diet and focus on the economics? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) this subthread was about beaver's misleading link. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Their link was addressing the claim that eating vegan is a luxury. For what the comment was responding to I think it was perfectly well framed, but you can extrapolate anything you want from it if that's your thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) heir link was addressing the claim that eating vegan is a luxury. and it did so misleadingly, as being in teh position to always pay full price for food at a store is a luxury. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) as being in teh position to always pay full price for food at a store is a luxury. Not if by 'cost' they meant 'cost', and not 'what they get from the state at no cost' permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) if i have food, throwing it away and getting more food is more expensive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) The paper wasn't discussing food stamp programs or even what food you might already have permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) right. it's simply not scoped to support the claim tha being vegan is 30% cheaper permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) What they claimed was "a whole foods plant-based diet is 30% cheaper." Which is factually supported by the study, even if you'd prefer to interpret it to mean something else permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) What they claimed was “a whole foods plant-based diet is 30% cheaper.” Which is factually supported by the study ...for a limited segment of the population. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago* It's actually not speaking about the personal costs born by consumers, it's talking about the cost of purchasing food for the diet. As I said, if the paper was discussing the systemic hurtles and personal choices of consumers it would be a different paper, saying a different thing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] archomrade@midwest.social 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) or who catches, raises, or hunts their own. How does catching, raising, or hunting meat compare to planting or gathering their own plant-based food? Or how does 'free or subsidized meat' compare with free or subsidized plant based food? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) How does catching, raising, or hunting meat compare to planting or gathering their own plant-based food? as the deer spends all year gathering nutrients, and they can spend one morning gathering the deer, it seems to me it's highly effective. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Most vegans would allow an exception for certain lifestyles. People hunting for their homestead aren't going to cause a global issue like is currently happening. Ideally we wouldnt hunt at all but thats like some sort of futuristic goal. Noones going to tell you to starve your family to appease veganism, thats not the point. The point is to reduce suffering and abuse wherever possible. Sometimes its not possible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago People hunting for their homestead aren’t going to cause a global issue like is currently happening. that's not what the vegan society says about animal exploitation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lol, ok so you're including labor cost? A couple years of a dear 'gathering nutrients', vs a summer of cultivating a garden and harvesting? Or do I need to include the energy expenditure (energy ingested by the dear minus energy lost to biological processes, vs solar energy collected minus energy expended on building plant mass and energy expended in harvest)? I was really just pointing out the absurdity of your complaint about the study but you're making this into a fun little digression. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) it costs us almost nothing to take down a deer. it costs us a great deal to raise a garden. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Costs nothing to harvest a plant, too. Costs a great deal to own a gun and ammunition, a truck to haul, tools and labor to clean and butcher, and more to store and prepare it. To speak nothing of the labor of the dear to produce the biomass. Lol we can keep going with this if you want, it's pretty fun. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Costs nothing to harvest a plant, too. foraging for plants is a lot less calorie efficient than hunting or fishing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao not if you're hunting with spears! Or are we allowed to use tools in this hypothetical digression? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) you're the one obsessed with defending a paper whose scope was too limited to cover any of these scenarios so do what you want i guess permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're the one obsessed with dismissing the paper based on qualifiers beyond the scope of the research, so you do you I guess. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) i'm not dismissing the paper. i'm explaining how it's being deceptively framed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't think there was anything deceptive about its framing, it was addressing the claim that 'vegan diets are a luxury' permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) but it doesn't actually show whether poor people can afford a vegan diet. it's misleading. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's not trying to prove that people on food stamps can afford a diet the government hasn't designed their food program for them to afford lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) It’s not trying to prove that people on food stamps can afford a diet the government hasn’t designed their food program for them to afford lmao no, but beaver's claim that it's 30% cheaper may not be true for those people. i mean it could be. it could possibly be EVEN CHEAPER. i don't really know. and the linked oxford study doesn't tell us. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago i don’t really know YES, now you're getting it permalink fedilink source parent [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lol we can keep going with this if you want, it’s pretty fun. this smacks of bad faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago Lmao I thought that's what you were doing permalink fedilink source parent [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) if it's free, then throwing it out and acquiring plants is more expensive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) If it's free then throwing it out costs nothing though, right? Or are you talking about the cost of the state subsidy? Wouldn't it be cheaper to the state to subsidize a plant-based diet instead? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago (15 children) Wouldn’t it be cheaper to the state to subsidize a plant-based diet instead? regardless of what would be a good decision for the state, the oxford paper doesn't acknowledge the material conditions of most people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments load more comments (15 replies) [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) If it’s free then throwing it out costs nothing though, right? but replacing it would cost something. throwing away perfectly good food isn't something most people think is a moral good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I thought your point was to disregard the morality of the diet and focus on the economics? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) this subthread was about beaver's misleading link. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Their link was addressing the claim that eating vegan is a luxury. For what the comment was responding to I think it was perfectly well framed, but you can extrapolate anything you want from it if that's your thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) heir link was addressing the claim that eating vegan is a luxury. and it did so misleadingly, as being in teh position to always pay full price for food at a store is a luxury. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) as being in teh position to always pay full price for food at a store is a luxury. Not if by 'cost' they meant 'cost', and not 'what they get from the state at no cost' permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) if i have food, throwing it away and getting more food is more expensive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) The paper wasn't discussing food stamp programs or even what food you might already have permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) right. it's simply not scoped to support the claim tha being vegan is 30% cheaper permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) What they claimed was "a whole foods plant-based diet is 30% cheaper." Which is factually supported by the study, even if you'd prefer to interpret it to mean something else permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) What they claimed was “a whole foods plant-based diet is 30% cheaper.” Which is factually supported by the study ...for a limited segment of the population. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago* It's actually not speaking about the personal costs born by consumers, it's talking about the cost of purchasing food for the diet. As I said, if the paper was discussing the systemic hurtles and personal choices of consumers it would be a different paper, saying a different thing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) How does catching, raising, or hunting meat compare to planting or gathering their own plant-based food? as the deer spends all year gathering nutrients, and they can spend one morning gathering the deer, it seems to me it's highly effective. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Most vegans would allow an exception for certain lifestyles. People hunting for their homestead aren't going to cause a global issue like is currently happening. Ideally we wouldnt hunt at all but thats like some sort of futuristic goal. Noones going to tell you to starve your family to appease veganism, thats not the point. The point is to reduce suffering and abuse wherever possible. Sometimes its not possible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago People hunting for their homestead aren’t going to cause a global issue like is currently happening. that's not what the vegan society says about animal exploitation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lol, ok so you're including labor cost? A couple years of a dear 'gathering nutrients', vs a summer of cultivating a garden and harvesting? Or do I need to include the energy expenditure (energy ingested by the dear minus energy lost to biological processes, vs solar energy collected minus energy expended on building plant mass and energy expended in harvest)? I was really just pointing out the absurdity of your complaint about the study but you're making this into a fun little digression. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) it costs us almost nothing to take down a deer. it costs us a great deal to raise a garden. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Costs nothing to harvest a plant, too. Costs a great deal to own a gun and ammunition, a truck to haul, tools and labor to clean and butcher, and more to store and prepare it. To speak nothing of the labor of the dear to produce the biomass. Lol we can keep going with this if you want, it's pretty fun. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Costs nothing to harvest a plant, too. foraging for plants is a lot less calorie efficient than hunting or fishing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao not if you're hunting with spears! Or are we allowed to use tools in this hypothetical digression? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) you're the one obsessed with defending a paper whose scope was too limited to cover any of these scenarios so do what you want i guess permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're the one obsessed with dismissing the paper based on qualifiers beyond the scope of the research, so you do you I guess. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) i'm not dismissing the paper. i'm explaining how it's being deceptively framed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't think there was anything deceptive about its framing, it was addressing the claim that 'vegan diets are a luxury' permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) but it doesn't actually show whether poor people can afford a vegan diet. it's misleading. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's not trying to prove that people on food stamps can afford a diet the government hasn't designed their food program for them to afford lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) It’s not trying to prove that people on food stamps can afford a diet the government hasn’t designed their food program for them to afford lmao no, but beaver's claim that it's 30% cheaper may not be true for those people. i mean it could be. it could possibly be EVEN CHEAPER. i don't really know. and the linked oxford study doesn't tell us. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago i don’t really know YES, now you're getting it permalink fedilink source parent [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lol we can keep going with this if you want, it’s pretty fun. this smacks of bad faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago Lmao I thought that's what you were doing permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Most vegans would allow an exception for certain lifestyles. People hunting for their homestead aren't going to cause a global issue like is currently happening. Ideally we wouldnt hunt at all but thats like some sort of futuristic goal. Noones going to tell you to starve your family to appease veganism, thats not the point. The point is to reduce suffering and abuse wherever possible. Sometimes its not possible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago People hunting for their homestead aren’t going to cause a global issue like is currently happening. that's not what the vegan society says about animal exploitation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago People hunting for their homestead aren’t going to cause a global issue like is currently happening. that's not what the vegan society says about animal exploitation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lol, ok so you're including labor cost? A couple years of a dear 'gathering nutrients', vs a summer of cultivating a garden and harvesting? Or do I need to include the energy expenditure (energy ingested by the dear minus energy lost to biological processes, vs solar energy collected minus energy expended on building plant mass and energy expended in harvest)? I was really just pointing out the absurdity of your complaint about the study but you're making this into a fun little digression. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) it costs us almost nothing to take down a deer. it costs us a great deal to raise a garden. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Costs nothing to harvest a plant, too. Costs a great deal to own a gun and ammunition, a truck to haul, tools and labor to clean and butcher, and more to store and prepare it. To speak nothing of the labor of the dear to produce the biomass. Lol we can keep going with this if you want, it's pretty fun. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Costs nothing to harvest a plant, too. foraging for plants is a lot less calorie efficient than hunting or fishing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao not if you're hunting with spears! Or are we allowed to use tools in this hypothetical digression? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) you're the one obsessed with defending a paper whose scope was too limited to cover any of these scenarios so do what you want i guess permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're the one obsessed with dismissing the paper based on qualifiers beyond the scope of the research, so you do you I guess. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) i'm not dismissing the paper. i'm explaining how it's being deceptively framed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't think there was anything deceptive about its framing, it was addressing the claim that 'vegan diets are a luxury' permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) but it doesn't actually show whether poor people can afford a vegan diet. it's misleading. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's not trying to prove that people on food stamps can afford a diet the government hasn't designed their food program for them to afford lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) It’s not trying to prove that people on food stamps can afford a diet the government hasn’t designed their food program for them to afford lmao no, but beaver's claim that it's 30% cheaper may not be true for those people. i mean it could be. it could possibly be EVEN CHEAPER. i don't really know. and the linked oxford study doesn't tell us. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago i don’t really know YES, now you're getting it permalink fedilink source parent [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lol we can keep going with this if you want, it’s pretty fun. this smacks of bad faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago Lmao I thought that's what you were doing permalink fedilink source parent
[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) it costs us almost nothing to take down a deer. it costs us a great deal to raise a garden. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Costs nothing to harvest a plant, too. Costs a great deal to own a gun and ammunition, a truck to haul, tools and labor to clean and butcher, and more to store and prepare it. To speak nothing of the labor of the dear to produce the biomass. Lol we can keep going with this if you want, it's pretty fun. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Costs nothing to harvest a plant, too. foraging for plants is a lot less calorie efficient than hunting or fishing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao not if you're hunting with spears! Or are we allowed to use tools in this hypothetical digression? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) you're the one obsessed with defending a paper whose scope was too limited to cover any of these scenarios so do what you want i guess permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're the one obsessed with dismissing the paper based on qualifiers beyond the scope of the research, so you do you I guess. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) i'm not dismissing the paper. i'm explaining how it's being deceptively framed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't think there was anything deceptive about its framing, it was addressing the claim that 'vegan diets are a luxury' permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) but it doesn't actually show whether poor people can afford a vegan diet. it's misleading. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's not trying to prove that people on food stamps can afford a diet the government hasn't designed their food program for them to afford lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) It’s not trying to prove that people on food stamps can afford a diet the government hasn’t designed their food program for them to afford lmao no, but beaver's claim that it's 30% cheaper may not be true for those people. i mean it could be. it could possibly be EVEN CHEAPER. i don't really know. and the linked oxford study doesn't tell us. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago i don’t really know YES, now you're getting it permalink fedilink source parent [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lol we can keep going with this if you want, it’s pretty fun. this smacks of bad faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago Lmao I thought that's what you were doing permalink fedilink source parent
[–] archomrade@midwest.social -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Costs nothing to harvest a plant, too. Costs a great deal to own a gun and ammunition, a truck to haul, tools and labor to clean and butcher, and more to store and prepare it. To speak nothing of the labor of the dear to produce the biomass. Lol we can keep going with this if you want, it's pretty fun. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Costs nothing to harvest a plant, too. foraging for plants is a lot less calorie efficient than hunting or fishing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao not if you're hunting with spears! Or are we allowed to use tools in this hypothetical digression? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) you're the one obsessed with defending a paper whose scope was too limited to cover any of these scenarios so do what you want i guess permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're the one obsessed with dismissing the paper based on qualifiers beyond the scope of the research, so you do you I guess. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) i'm not dismissing the paper. i'm explaining how it's being deceptively framed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't think there was anything deceptive about its framing, it was addressing the claim that 'vegan diets are a luxury' permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) but it doesn't actually show whether poor people can afford a vegan diet. it's misleading. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's not trying to prove that people on food stamps can afford a diet the government hasn't designed their food program for them to afford lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) It’s not trying to prove that people on food stamps can afford a diet the government hasn’t designed their food program for them to afford lmao no, but beaver's claim that it's 30% cheaper may not be true for those people. i mean it could be. it could possibly be EVEN CHEAPER. i don't really know. and the linked oxford study doesn't tell us. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago i don’t really know YES, now you're getting it permalink fedilink source parent [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lol we can keep going with this if you want, it’s pretty fun. this smacks of bad faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago Lmao I thought that's what you were doing permalink fedilink source parent
[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Costs nothing to harvest a plant, too. foraging for plants is a lot less calorie efficient than hunting or fishing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao not if you're hunting with spears! Or are we allowed to use tools in this hypothetical digression? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) you're the one obsessed with defending a paper whose scope was too limited to cover any of these scenarios so do what you want i guess permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're the one obsessed with dismissing the paper based on qualifiers beyond the scope of the research, so you do you I guess. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) i'm not dismissing the paper. i'm explaining how it's being deceptively framed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't think there was anything deceptive about its framing, it was addressing the claim that 'vegan diets are a luxury' permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) but it doesn't actually show whether poor people can afford a vegan diet. it's misleading. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's not trying to prove that people on food stamps can afford a diet the government hasn't designed their food program for them to afford lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) It’s not trying to prove that people on food stamps can afford a diet the government hasn’t designed their food program for them to afford lmao no, but beaver's claim that it's 30% cheaper may not be true for those people. i mean it could be. it could possibly be EVEN CHEAPER. i don't really know. and the linked oxford study doesn't tell us. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago i don’t really know YES, now you're getting it permalink fedilink source parent
[–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao not if you're hunting with spears! Or are we allowed to use tools in this hypothetical digression? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) you're the one obsessed with defending a paper whose scope was too limited to cover any of these scenarios so do what you want i guess permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're the one obsessed with dismissing the paper based on qualifiers beyond the scope of the research, so you do you I guess. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) i'm not dismissing the paper. i'm explaining how it's being deceptively framed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't think there was anything deceptive about its framing, it was addressing the claim that 'vegan diets are a luxury' permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) but it doesn't actually show whether poor people can afford a vegan diet. it's misleading. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's not trying to prove that people on food stamps can afford a diet the government hasn't designed their food program for them to afford lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) It’s not trying to prove that people on food stamps can afford a diet the government hasn’t designed their food program for them to afford lmao no, but beaver's claim that it's 30% cheaper may not be true for those people. i mean it could be. it could possibly be EVEN CHEAPER. i don't really know. and the linked oxford study doesn't tell us. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago i don’t really know YES, now you're getting it permalink fedilink source parent
[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) you're the one obsessed with defending a paper whose scope was too limited to cover any of these scenarios so do what you want i guess permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're the one obsessed with dismissing the paper based on qualifiers beyond the scope of the research, so you do you I guess. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) i'm not dismissing the paper. i'm explaining how it's being deceptively framed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't think there was anything deceptive about its framing, it was addressing the claim that 'vegan diets are a luxury' permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) but it doesn't actually show whether poor people can afford a vegan diet. it's misleading. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's not trying to prove that people on food stamps can afford a diet the government hasn't designed their food program for them to afford lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) It’s not trying to prove that people on food stamps can afford a diet the government hasn’t designed their food program for them to afford lmao no, but beaver's claim that it's 30% cheaper may not be true for those people. i mean it could be. it could possibly be EVEN CHEAPER. i don't really know. and the linked oxford study doesn't tell us. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago i don’t really know YES, now you're getting it permalink fedilink source parent
[–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're the one obsessed with dismissing the paper based on qualifiers beyond the scope of the research, so you do you I guess. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) i'm not dismissing the paper. i'm explaining how it's being deceptively framed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't think there was anything deceptive about its framing, it was addressing the claim that 'vegan diets are a luxury' permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) but it doesn't actually show whether poor people can afford a vegan diet. it's misleading. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's not trying to prove that people on food stamps can afford a diet the government hasn't designed their food program for them to afford lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) It’s not trying to prove that people on food stamps can afford a diet the government hasn’t designed their food program for them to afford lmao no, but beaver's claim that it's 30% cheaper may not be true for those people. i mean it could be. it could possibly be EVEN CHEAPER. i don't really know. and the linked oxford study doesn't tell us. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago i don’t really know YES, now you're getting it permalink fedilink source parent
[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) i'm not dismissing the paper. i'm explaining how it's being deceptively framed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't think there was anything deceptive about its framing, it was addressing the claim that 'vegan diets are a luxury' permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) but it doesn't actually show whether poor people can afford a vegan diet. it's misleading. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's not trying to prove that people on food stamps can afford a diet the government hasn't designed their food program for them to afford lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) It’s not trying to prove that people on food stamps can afford a diet the government hasn’t designed their food program for them to afford lmao no, but beaver's claim that it's 30% cheaper may not be true for those people. i mean it could be. it could possibly be EVEN CHEAPER. i don't really know. and the linked oxford study doesn't tell us. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago i don’t really know YES, now you're getting it permalink fedilink source parent
[–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't think there was anything deceptive about its framing, it was addressing the claim that 'vegan diets are a luxury' permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) but it doesn't actually show whether poor people can afford a vegan diet. it's misleading. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's not trying to prove that people on food stamps can afford a diet the government hasn't designed their food program for them to afford lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) It’s not trying to prove that people on food stamps can afford a diet the government hasn’t designed their food program for them to afford lmao no, but beaver's claim that it's 30% cheaper may not be true for those people. i mean it could be. it could possibly be EVEN CHEAPER. i don't really know. and the linked oxford study doesn't tell us. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago i don’t really know YES, now you're getting it permalink fedilink source parent
[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) but it doesn't actually show whether poor people can afford a vegan diet. it's misleading. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's not trying to prove that people on food stamps can afford a diet the government hasn't designed their food program for them to afford lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) It’s not trying to prove that people on food stamps can afford a diet the government hasn’t designed their food program for them to afford lmao no, but beaver's claim that it's 30% cheaper may not be true for those people. i mean it could be. it could possibly be EVEN CHEAPER. i don't really know. and the linked oxford study doesn't tell us. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago i don’t really know YES, now you're getting it permalink fedilink source parent
[–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's not trying to prove that people on food stamps can afford a diet the government hasn't designed their food program for them to afford lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) It’s not trying to prove that people on food stamps can afford a diet the government hasn’t designed their food program for them to afford lmao no, but beaver's claim that it's 30% cheaper may not be true for those people. i mean it could be. it could possibly be EVEN CHEAPER. i don't really know. and the linked oxford study doesn't tell us. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago i don’t really know YES, now you're getting it permalink fedilink source parent
[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) It’s not trying to prove that people on food stamps can afford a diet the government hasn’t designed their food program for them to afford lmao no, but beaver's claim that it's 30% cheaper may not be true for those people. i mean it could be. it could possibly be EVEN CHEAPER. i don't really know. and the linked oxford study doesn't tell us. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago i don’t really know YES, now you're getting it permalink fedilink source parent
[–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago i don’t really know YES, now you're getting it permalink fedilink source parent
[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lol we can keep going with this if you want, it’s pretty fun. this smacks of bad faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago Lmao I thought that's what you were doing permalink fedilink source parent
[–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago Lmao I thought that's what you were doing permalink fedilink source parent
[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) if it's free, then throwing it out and acquiring plants is more expensive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) If it's free then throwing it out costs nothing though, right? Or are you talking about the cost of the state subsidy? Wouldn't it be cheaper to the state to subsidize a plant-based diet instead? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago (15 children) Wouldn’t it be cheaper to the state to subsidize a plant-based diet instead? regardless of what would be a good decision for the state, the oxford paper doesn't acknowledge the material conditions of most people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments load more comments (15 replies) [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) If it’s free then throwing it out costs nothing though, right? but replacing it would cost something. throwing away perfectly good food isn't something most people think is a moral good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I thought your point was to disregard the morality of the diet and focus on the economics? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) this subthread was about beaver's misleading link. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Their link was addressing the claim that eating vegan is a luxury. For what the comment was responding to I think it was perfectly well framed, but you can extrapolate anything you want from it if that's your thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) heir link was addressing the claim that eating vegan is a luxury. and it did so misleadingly, as being in teh position to always pay full price for food at a store is a luxury. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) as being in teh position to always pay full price for food at a store is a luxury. Not if by 'cost' they meant 'cost', and not 'what they get from the state at no cost' permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) if i have food, throwing it away and getting more food is more expensive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) The paper wasn't discussing food stamp programs or even what food you might already have permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) right. it's simply not scoped to support the claim tha being vegan is 30% cheaper permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) What they claimed was "a whole foods plant-based diet is 30% cheaper." Which is factually supported by the study, even if you'd prefer to interpret it to mean something else permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) What they claimed was “a whole foods plant-based diet is 30% cheaper.” Which is factually supported by the study ...for a limited segment of the population. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago* It's actually not speaking about the personal costs born by consumers, it's talking about the cost of purchasing food for the diet. As I said, if the paper was discussing the systemic hurtles and personal choices of consumers it would be a different paper, saying a different thing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) If it's free then throwing it out costs nothing though, right? Or are you talking about the cost of the state subsidy? Wouldn't it be cheaper to the state to subsidize a plant-based diet instead? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago (15 children) Wouldn’t it be cheaper to the state to subsidize a plant-based diet instead? regardless of what would be a good decision for the state, the oxford paper doesn't acknowledge the material conditions of most people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments load more comments (15 replies) [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) If it’s free then throwing it out costs nothing though, right? but replacing it would cost something. throwing away perfectly good food isn't something most people think is a moral good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I thought your point was to disregard the morality of the diet and focus on the economics? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) this subthread was about beaver's misleading link. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Their link was addressing the claim that eating vegan is a luxury. For what the comment was responding to I think it was perfectly well framed, but you can extrapolate anything you want from it if that's your thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) heir link was addressing the claim that eating vegan is a luxury. and it did so misleadingly, as being in teh position to always pay full price for food at a store is a luxury. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) as being in teh position to always pay full price for food at a store is a luxury. Not if by 'cost' they meant 'cost', and not 'what they get from the state at no cost' permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) if i have food, throwing it away and getting more food is more expensive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) The paper wasn't discussing food stamp programs or even what food you might already have permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) right. it's simply not scoped to support the claim tha being vegan is 30% cheaper permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) What they claimed was "a whole foods plant-based diet is 30% cheaper." Which is factually supported by the study, even if you'd prefer to interpret it to mean something else permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) What they claimed was “a whole foods plant-based diet is 30% cheaper.” Which is factually supported by the study ...for a limited segment of the population. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago* It's actually not speaking about the personal costs born by consumers, it's talking about the cost of purchasing food for the diet. As I said, if the paper was discussing the systemic hurtles and personal choices of consumers it would be a different paper, saying a different thing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago (15 children) Wouldn’t it be cheaper to the state to subsidize a plant-based diet instead? regardless of what would be a good decision for the state, the oxford paper doesn't acknowledge the material conditions of most people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments load more comments (15 replies)
[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) If it’s free then throwing it out costs nothing though, right? but replacing it would cost something. throwing away perfectly good food isn't something most people think is a moral good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I thought your point was to disregard the morality of the diet and focus on the economics? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) this subthread was about beaver's misleading link. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Their link was addressing the claim that eating vegan is a luxury. For what the comment was responding to I think it was perfectly well framed, but you can extrapolate anything you want from it if that's your thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) heir link was addressing the claim that eating vegan is a luxury. and it did so misleadingly, as being in teh position to always pay full price for food at a store is a luxury. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) as being in teh position to always pay full price for food at a store is a luxury. Not if by 'cost' they meant 'cost', and not 'what they get from the state at no cost' permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) if i have food, throwing it away and getting more food is more expensive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) The paper wasn't discussing food stamp programs or even what food you might already have permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) right. it's simply not scoped to support the claim tha being vegan is 30% cheaper permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) What they claimed was "a whole foods plant-based diet is 30% cheaper." Which is factually supported by the study, even if you'd prefer to interpret it to mean something else permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) What they claimed was “a whole foods plant-based diet is 30% cheaper.” Which is factually supported by the study ...for a limited segment of the population. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago* It's actually not speaking about the personal costs born by consumers, it's talking about the cost of purchasing food for the diet. As I said, if the paper was discussing the systemic hurtles and personal choices of consumers it would be a different paper, saying a different thing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I thought your point was to disregard the morality of the diet and focus on the economics? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) this subthread was about beaver's misleading link. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Their link was addressing the claim that eating vegan is a luxury. For what the comment was responding to I think it was perfectly well framed, but you can extrapolate anything you want from it if that's your thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) heir link was addressing the claim that eating vegan is a luxury. and it did so misleadingly, as being in teh position to always pay full price for food at a store is a luxury. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) as being in teh position to always pay full price for food at a store is a luxury. Not if by 'cost' they meant 'cost', and not 'what they get from the state at no cost' permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) if i have food, throwing it away and getting more food is more expensive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) The paper wasn't discussing food stamp programs or even what food you might already have permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) right. it's simply not scoped to support the claim tha being vegan is 30% cheaper permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) What they claimed was "a whole foods plant-based diet is 30% cheaper." Which is factually supported by the study, even if you'd prefer to interpret it to mean something else permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) What they claimed was “a whole foods plant-based diet is 30% cheaper.” Which is factually supported by the study ...for a limited segment of the population. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago* It's actually not speaking about the personal costs born by consumers, it's talking about the cost of purchasing food for the diet. As I said, if the paper was discussing the systemic hurtles and personal choices of consumers it would be a different paper, saying a different thing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) this subthread was about beaver's misleading link. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Their link was addressing the claim that eating vegan is a luxury. For what the comment was responding to I think it was perfectly well framed, but you can extrapolate anything you want from it if that's your thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) heir link was addressing the claim that eating vegan is a luxury. and it did so misleadingly, as being in teh position to always pay full price for food at a store is a luxury. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) as being in teh position to always pay full price for food at a store is a luxury. Not if by 'cost' they meant 'cost', and not 'what they get from the state at no cost' permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) if i have food, throwing it away and getting more food is more expensive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) The paper wasn't discussing food stamp programs or even what food you might already have permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) right. it's simply not scoped to support the claim tha being vegan is 30% cheaper permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) What they claimed was "a whole foods plant-based diet is 30% cheaper." Which is factually supported by the study, even if you'd prefer to interpret it to mean something else permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) What they claimed was “a whole foods plant-based diet is 30% cheaper.” Which is factually supported by the study ...for a limited segment of the population. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago* It's actually not speaking about the personal costs born by consumers, it's talking about the cost of purchasing food for the diet. As I said, if the paper was discussing the systemic hurtles and personal choices of consumers it would be a different paper, saying a different thing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Their link was addressing the claim that eating vegan is a luxury. For what the comment was responding to I think it was perfectly well framed, but you can extrapolate anything you want from it if that's your thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) heir link was addressing the claim that eating vegan is a luxury. and it did so misleadingly, as being in teh position to always pay full price for food at a store is a luxury. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) as being in teh position to always pay full price for food at a store is a luxury. Not if by 'cost' they meant 'cost', and not 'what they get from the state at no cost' permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) if i have food, throwing it away and getting more food is more expensive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) The paper wasn't discussing food stamp programs or even what food you might already have permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) right. it's simply not scoped to support the claim tha being vegan is 30% cheaper permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) What they claimed was "a whole foods plant-based diet is 30% cheaper." Which is factually supported by the study, even if you'd prefer to interpret it to mean something else permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) What they claimed was “a whole foods plant-based diet is 30% cheaper.” Which is factually supported by the study ...for a limited segment of the population. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago* It's actually not speaking about the personal costs born by consumers, it's talking about the cost of purchasing food for the diet. As I said, if the paper was discussing the systemic hurtles and personal choices of consumers it would be a different paper, saying a different thing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) heir link was addressing the claim that eating vegan is a luxury. and it did so misleadingly, as being in teh position to always pay full price for food at a store is a luxury. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) as being in teh position to always pay full price for food at a store is a luxury. Not if by 'cost' they meant 'cost', and not 'what they get from the state at no cost' permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) if i have food, throwing it away and getting more food is more expensive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) The paper wasn't discussing food stamp programs or even what food you might already have permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) right. it's simply not scoped to support the claim tha being vegan is 30% cheaper permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) What they claimed was "a whole foods plant-based diet is 30% cheaper." Which is factually supported by the study, even if you'd prefer to interpret it to mean something else permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) What they claimed was “a whole foods plant-based diet is 30% cheaper.” Which is factually supported by the study ...for a limited segment of the population. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago* It's actually not speaking about the personal costs born by consumers, it's talking about the cost of purchasing food for the diet. As I said, if the paper was discussing the systemic hurtles and personal choices of consumers it would be a different paper, saying a different thing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) as being in teh position to always pay full price for food at a store is a luxury. Not if by 'cost' they meant 'cost', and not 'what they get from the state at no cost' permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) if i have food, throwing it away and getting more food is more expensive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) The paper wasn't discussing food stamp programs or even what food you might already have permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) right. it's simply not scoped to support the claim tha being vegan is 30% cheaper permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) What they claimed was "a whole foods plant-based diet is 30% cheaper." Which is factually supported by the study, even if you'd prefer to interpret it to mean something else permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) What they claimed was “a whole foods plant-based diet is 30% cheaper.” Which is factually supported by the study ...for a limited segment of the population. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago* It's actually not speaking about the personal costs born by consumers, it's talking about the cost of purchasing food for the diet. As I said, if the paper was discussing the systemic hurtles and personal choices of consumers it would be a different paper, saying a different thing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) if i have food, throwing it away and getting more food is more expensive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) The paper wasn't discussing food stamp programs or even what food you might already have permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) right. it's simply not scoped to support the claim tha being vegan is 30% cheaper permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) What they claimed was "a whole foods plant-based diet is 30% cheaper." Which is factually supported by the study, even if you'd prefer to interpret it to mean something else permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) What they claimed was “a whole foods plant-based diet is 30% cheaper.” Which is factually supported by the study ...for a limited segment of the population. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago* It's actually not speaking about the personal costs born by consumers, it's talking about the cost of purchasing food for the diet. As I said, if the paper was discussing the systemic hurtles and personal choices of consumers it would be a different paper, saying a different thing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) The paper wasn't discussing food stamp programs or even what food you might already have permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) right. it's simply not scoped to support the claim tha being vegan is 30% cheaper permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) What they claimed was "a whole foods plant-based diet is 30% cheaper." Which is factually supported by the study, even if you'd prefer to interpret it to mean something else permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) What they claimed was “a whole foods plant-based diet is 30% cheaper.” Which is factually supported by the study ...for a limited segment of the population. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago* It's actually not speaking about the personal costs born by consumers, it's talking about the cost of purchasing food for the diet. As I said, if the paper was discussing the systemic hurtles and personal choices of consumers it would be a different paper, saying a different thing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) right. it's simply not scoped to support the claim tha being vegan is 30% cheaper permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) What they claimed was "a whole foods plant-based diet is 30% cheaper." Which is factually supported by the study, even if you'd prefer to interpret it to mean something else permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) What they claimed was “a whole foods plant-based diet is 30% cheaper.” Which is factually supported by the study ...for a limited segment of the population. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago* It's actually not speaking about the personal costs born by consumers, it's talking about the cost of purchasing food for the diet. As I said, if the paper was discussing the systemic hurtles and personal choices of consumers it would be a different paper, saying a different thing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) What they claimed was "a whole foods plant-based diet is 30% cheaper." Which is factually supported by the study, even if you'd prefer to interpret it to mean something else permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) What they claimed was “a whole foods plant-based diet is 30% cheaper.” Which is factually supported by the study ...for a limited segment of the population. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago* It's actually not speaking about the personal costs born by consumers, it's talking about the cost of purchasing food for the diet. As I said, if the paper was discussing the systemic hurtles and personal choices of consumers it would be a different paper, saying a different thing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) What they claimed was “a whole foods plant-based diet is 30% cheaper.” Which is factually supported by the study ...for a limited segment of the population. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago* It's actually not speaking about the personal costs born by consumers, it's talking about the cost of purchasing food for the diet. As I said, if the paper was discussing the systemic hurtles and personal choices of consumers it would be a different paper, saying a different thing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago* It's actually not speaking about the personal costs born by consumers, it's talking about the cost of purchasing food for the diet. As I said, if the paper was discussing the systemic hurtles and personal choices of consumers it would be a different paper, saying a different thing. permalink fedilink source parent