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[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 72 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Yeah I can’t say I was bothered when LW defederated. I’ve gotten in way fewer stupid arguments since they did the same with Lemmygrad. IIRC LW didn’t even let hexbear federate in the first place.

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[+] Emmie@lemm.ee 25 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

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[–] knatschus@discuss.tchncs.de 51 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Sounds like you waste alot of time with people who don't deserve it

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[+] Emmie@lemm.ee 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

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[–] ericjmorey@discuss.online 7 points 2 years ago

Seems like a good strategy would be to not have every post and comment shown to you if your goal is to break your habit of spending too much time on your phone or PC.

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[–] li10@feddit.uk 23 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I would much rather signup to an instance that handles that for me.

As long as the instance is clear about what they defederate from and their reasons, then I’m happy with that. And if I wasn’t, I could choose a different instance.

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[–] blackn1ght@feddit.uk 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Our instance is federated with hexbear, lemmygrad etc. I want to be resonsible for what I see and block, I'm really not a fan of defederation unless it's a last resort (i.e. CSAM or other illegal content).

I did end up blocking the lemmy.ml instance though, fuck that place. I haven't even blocked hexbear or lemmygrad.

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[–] Emperor@feddit.uk 5 points 2 years ago

Our instance is federated with hexbear, lemmygrad etc. I want to be resonsible for what I see and block, I’m really not a fan of defederation unless it’s a last resort (i.e. CSAM or other illegal content).

Yes, that's pretty much our take on it: we'll defederate CSAM (and nonce-adjacent) instances asap, those with lax registration tend to become havens for spammers and trolls, so there is usually a wave of defederating, then someone reaches out to them, it gets sorted and we allow them back in. That tends to be the regular defederation and isn't controversial. Defederating, for example, Hexbear over, for example, trolling would be a bigger deal and we'd try and speak to the other Admins about it before any permanent banning.

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[–] WalrusDragonOnABike@lemmy.today 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Isn't your instance federated with hexbear? Seems like it hardly blocks any lemmy instances.

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[–] li10@feddit.uk 5 points 2 years ago

lol, forgot I was even on my feddit.uk account.

I’d already gone through blocking all of that stuff via my app before the defederation stuff happened, but if I were signing up to a new instance I’d appreciate it being blocked by default.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 4 points 2 years ago

I think ideally a Lemmy client could connect to a number of instances, and you could add the more contentious ones yourself.

Some of these places are literally hosting child porn. You don't want that mirrored to a server that you're responsible for.

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[–] TomSelleck@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

Same here. I’ll curate my personal feed but I’ll occasionally scroll everything just to see what random new instance I’ll find, and to keep myself aware of what the current rhetoric is with the various groups.

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[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 24 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

You're not really using the fediverse until you've been told that you'll get the bullet, too. Sometimes, it's exhausting commenting something pretty uncontroversial and then seeing like eight notifications and realizing it was on Hexbear.

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[–] Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website 33 points 2 years ago (10 children)

Can you truly say you've had the HB experience if you haven't recieved emoji/sticker/gif spam from people who weren't alive for 9/11, have never been outside their country, and refuse to listen to opposing views, but know with full certainty that all western countries are 100% full of genociders and colonial rapists who all deserve the glorious death the super benign, extremely peaceful and misunderstood countries of North Korea, China, and Russia who have never once been correctly accused of human rights violations....

And of course, if they point out that your country has dipped into those things in the past, well your entire worldview is shattered and their whataboutism has solved everything and proves you deserve the death they crave for you.

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[+] Emmie@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

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[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago

There's actually a lot of lgbt people there, based on their last poll:

https://hexbear.net/post/3203892 or https://lemmy.ml/post/19071341

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[–] Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

you should come post in our extremely active weekly trans megathreads, you'll see that a lot of your preconceived notions are simply not true.

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[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

It's uncanny, so many times when I run into a commenter with a specific axe to grind about hexbear, they got already banned for something weird, in this case 2 days prior

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[–] Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 years ago*

ah, in that case, maybe she should stay far far away from the trans mega :)

https://hexbear.net/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=27562

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[–] OprahsedCreature@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Hey, aren't you the one who dropped a diaper load because Hexbear removed your comments justifying supporting candidates who were pro genocide?

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[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

Yep, that's me. You could probably find a few more good examples of me stepping in shit on Hexbear, that's hardly the first.

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[–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I disagree with those comments, but they seem pretty mild to have been banned. I just don't see how it's productive to ban all liberals the moment they try to explain their views. All that does is push people away who could potentially have been a future ally.

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[–] OprahsedCreature@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

For starters, all liberals have Reddit and Lemmy.world, which are large. Where do leftists have?

Secondly, this comment is indistinguishable from concern-trolling. I'd have to read through your post history or go back and forth with you to know if you were an honest actor or just a troll.

Thirdly, most of us know your views, and have rejected them. Why would we care to hear them? Ask the homeless people in any major city how important discussions of freedom are. So fuck your so-called "productivity." If you were an ally you'd listen and be an ally.

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[–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net -2 points 2 years ago

For starters, all liberals have Reddit and Lemmy.world, which are large. Where do leftists have?

I agree that lemmy.world is a primarily liberal instance, but I haven't seen the same level of censorship on lemmy.world as I have on hexbear, though I'm open to evidence to the contrary. You can create a space for a specific ideology without resorting to such an extreme level of censorship and lemmy.world is proof of that. Also see my home instance slrpnk.net, we're a primarily anarchist instance and we haven't had to resort to extreme censorship to achieve that.

Secondly, this comment is indistinguishable from concern-trolling. I'd have to read through your post history or go back and forth with you to know if you were an honest actor or just a troll.

By what method do you distinguish concern-trolling from legitimate concern? Concern-trolls generally want to shut down discussion, and the whole reason for my concern is that censorship shuts down discussion.

Thirdly, most of us know your views, and have rejected them.

They're not my views, did you miss the part of my comment where I said I disagree with the comments that got them banned?

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[–] mathemachristian@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

if people steer clear of our buses and trains because they're busy doubling as psych wards and homeless shelters.

is not tame at all it dehumanizes some of societies most vulnerable. Imagine someone who has been in a psych ward or a homeless person reads this, and keep in mind both can be found posting on hexbear.

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[–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

We don't live in a tame world, lots of people have deeply problematic viewpoints. When someone who expresses such viewpoints is otherwise well-intentioned it's better to address them directly and potentially change some minds (or at least plant the seed) than to shun them and further entrench them into a problematic worldview.

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[–] mathemachristian@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago

Depends on the environment you want to foster. There are already lotsa places where these kinds of "debates" are had (lemmy.world for instance) but really no place where the people that are being debated about can relax and not have to be confronted with the dehumanization they already are confronted with in their daily lives.

Hexbear prioritizes the latter.

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[+] SteveFromMySpace@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

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[–] muix@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

You can block instances yourself, I personally don't like when an instance makes that decision for me.

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[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Blocking an instance is just equivalent to blocking all the communities on that instance. You'll still see the blocked instance's posts and comments in other instances and (maybe more importantly) the instance will still influence your feed via voting. So if hexbear collectively upvotes or downvotes some post, that will influence your feed. Defederation is the only way to prevent that kind of influence.

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[–] mathemachristian@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago

Downvotes are disabled on hexbear just fyi. One of the reason people leave a comment with stuff they disagree with. But upvoting yeah, very active userbase very actively upvoting means a lot of my feed on lemm.ee is from hexbear.

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[–] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 2 points 2 years ago

That's why I'm glad my instance blocked them.

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[–] OprahsedCreature@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (2 children)

I mean, I don't know enough about North Korea here but Lenin decriminalized homosexuality in like 1920. Stalin recriminalized it in 1932-33 but for a bit there the Soviet Union was the most LGBT friendly country in the world.

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[–] Emmie@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Lemme rest, my palm is all sore

What’s going on with ppl that won’t even do simple google check before commenting something. I for example would be ashamed to peddle some bullshit that is one top search click to disprove or even common sense

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[–] jumjummy@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

What is the point of this, uh, argument? Since then it’s illegal to be LGBT in Russia, so you’re admitting that Russia sucks now? Agreed!

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[–] OprahsedCreature@lemmy.ml -3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Russia began to suck hardest when the US succeeded in turning it into a supercharged version of itself. Every bad bit about Russia you don't like? It's where the US is headed, thanks to its own imperialism. "Rainbow Capitalism" is as unsustainable as Rainbow Slavery or Rainbow Fascism.

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[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago

Lmao, .ml really is on a roll with the whole "we love LGBT rights but hate every country which actually has LGBT rights" cognitive dissonance lately.