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Exclusive: Bernie Sanders worries young people are underestimating the threat from Trump (www.usatoday.com)
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[–] 89 points 2 years ago (3 children)

That's the great part about our democracy: You don't get to vote for someone who isn't pro-Israel. Because freedom.

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  • [–] 47 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    *electoral system

    Because of FPTP and the Winner Take All Electoral College, there is a lot of political pressure to only have 2 parties. In a better system (proportional, ranked choice, etc) it wouldn't break with more than two parties. In fact just reforming the electoral college to be proportional would likely allow 3 parties to exist.

    If you look at history the last time there was a viable 3rd party it possibly initiated the civil war by allowing an anti slavery viewpoint to exist (which is good, but if we'd had a better voting system it would have happened earlier and reduced a lot of suffering)

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    And if a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his ass when he hopped.

    We have FPTP, and we'll have it until I'm cold and dead in the ground.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    even republican-ass alaska passed RCV.

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  • [+] -6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Electoral system…

    Just as I have to watch half the electorate embrace the most asinine BS possible to justify selfishness and hate… it’s not that far out to see people screaming “genocide joe!” at everyone they see, as they turn off everyone and defeat themselves at every chance.

    The cool part is focusing all your effort into a camp-out such that your main message is synonymous with homelessness and you self defeat your own goals… all while you call the liberal element genocidal and basically show the world your biggest effort is to sit still while cutting off the liberal nose to spite your face.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Purely hypothetical question for you: If you had a choice between supporting Israel or Biden winning the 2024 election which would you choose?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Well shit, if you had a purely hypothetical choice, what would you choose?

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  • [–] -5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I'm voting 3rd party so according to liberal and moderate logic that probably means I'm supporting Israel.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    The important part is that the equation means more than you.

    Vote how you mean, and ignore how your vote’s mean.

    Good for you.

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  • [+] -17 points 2 years ago* (4 children)

    Can you imagine how dumb it would be to vote for someone who isn’t though?

    The only reason I think Trump isn’t pro-Palestine (Russian ally through Iran) is because the war is a good distraction from Ukraine

    You have to be pro-Israel as the US but that doesn’t mean you can’t be pro-Palestinian

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Being pro-Israel and being pro-Palestine are mutually exclusive positions since Israel is genociding Palestine.

    That's like saying you can be pro Nazi and pro jew.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I mostly agree in fact, however in definition it isn't true. Israel is a nation that could exist in many other forms. It doesn't have to do what it's doing. It's not the same as "pro-Nazi" because Nazism is an ideology, not a nation. A nation doesn't have any set ideals, only a set of people and borders it represents.

    You can be anti-Nazi and pro-Germany because Nazis didn't define Germany. They were Nazis at one point in time but are now represented by totally different ideals.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    No it would be like Finland allying with Germany because they had to be against Russia

    But I didn’t say pro-Palestine, I said pro-Palestinian which you clearly know the difference since you had to change it to make your point

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You just proved my point. The Finland/Germany/Russia comparison only fits with 'Palestine'.

    The Nazi/Jews comparison is accurate with 'Palestinian'.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    Would it be easier if I said “Finnish” instead of Finland?

    If the US backs Palestine do you honestly believe they will turn against all their allies to aid American security of the region and be Israel 2.0?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    That is irrelevant to the conversation.

    The state of Israel is currently genociding Palestinians. You can't support the state of Israel and support the Palestinian people at the same time. Full stop.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Palestine (Russian ally through Iran)

    Russia isn't in military allience with Iran. Both Russia and Iran are neighbors sanctioned by the US, forcing them into a business partnership by exclusion.

    And Iran isn't allied with Gaza Palestinians. You're confusing them with the Yemeni Houthis and West Bank Hezbollah. What you have is Israelis engaging in terrorist acts against both states, then conflating retaliation with cooperation.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child)
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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Also Israel is a state not a terrorist organization

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_state-sponsored_terrorism

    An early example of Israeli state-sponsored was the 1954 Lavon Affair, a botched bomb plot in Egypt that led to the resignation of the Israeli defense minister at the time. In the 1970s and 1980s, Israel was also a major supplier of arms to dictatorial regimes in South America, Sub-Saharan Africa, and Asia. In the 21st-century, it has been accused of sponsoring and supporting several terrorist groups as part of its proxy conflict with Iran.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    Israel is a state

    Response:you’re right but here’s a list of organizations that are

    Congratulations, just seems like wasted effort

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You're right that a state can commit terrorism just like a group can, but the key issue here is whether the state works towards being held accountable and towards achieving a long term benefit for all its benefactors, investors, assets and the society it's providing for

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    I was saying a state can’t commit terrorism by virtue of being a state they are war crimes

    The difference is that random Israeli isn’t held accountable for war crimes committed by the regime but random Kurd/ISIS member/Proud Boys member can be held accountable for terrorist activities even if they aren’t involved

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    https://al-shabaka.org/briefs/the-systematic-torture-of-palestinians-in-israeli-detention/

    The recent case of Samer Arbeed highlighted once again the systematic use of torture against Palestinian detainees in Israeli prisons. Israeli soldiers arrested Arbeed at his home in Ramallah on September 25, 2019. They beat him severely before taking him to Al Moscobiyye detention center in Jerusalem for interrogation. Two days later, according to his lawyer, he was hospitalized as a result of severe torture, and lay in critical condition for several weeks. A judicial body had authorized the Israeli Secret Service, the Shin Bet, to use “exceptional methods” to extract information in this case without going through the courts. This led Amnesty International to condemn what happened to Arbeed as “legally-sanctioned torture.“

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (2 children)

    Torture is a war crime

    What is your point?

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