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Exclusive: Bernie Sanders worries young people are underestimating the threat from Trump (www.usatoday.com)
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[+] -17 points 2 years ago* (4 children)

Can you imagine how dumb it would be to vote for someone who isn’t though?

The only reason I think Trump isn’t pro-Palestine (Russian ally through Iran) is because the war is a good distraction from Ukraine

You have to be pro-Israel as the US but that doesn’t mean you can’t be pro-Palestinian

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Being pro-Israel and being pro-Palestine are mutually exclusive positions since Israel is genociding Palestine.

    That's like saying you can be pro Nazi and pro jew.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I mostly agree in fact, however in definition it isn't true. Israel is a nation that could exist in many other forms. It doesn't have to do what it's doing. It's not the same as "pro-Nazi" because Nazism is an ideology, not a nation. A nation doesn't have any set ideals, only a set of people and borders it represents.

    You can be anti-Nazi and pro-Germany because Nazis didn't define Germany. They were Nazis at one point in time but are now represented by totally different ideals.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    No it would be like Finland allying with Germany because they had to be against Russia

    But I didn’t say pro-Palestine, I said pro-Palestinian which you clearly know the difference since you had to change it to make your point

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You just proved my point. The Finland/Germany/Russia comparison only fits with 'Palestine'.

    The Nazi/Jews comparison is accurate with 'Palestinian'.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    Would it be easier if I said “Finnish” instead of Finland?

    If the US backs Palestine do you honestly believe they will turn against all their allies to aid American security of the region and be Israel 2.0?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    That is irrelevant to the conversation.

    The state of Israel is currently genociding Palestinians. You can't support the state of Israel and support the Palestinian people at the same time. Full stop.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Palestine (Russian ally through Iran)

    Russia isn't in military allience with Iran. Both Russia and Iran are neighbors sanctioned by the US, forcing them into a business partnership by exclusion.

    And Iran isn't allied with Gaza Palestinians. You're confusing them with the Yemeni Houthis and West Bank Hezbollah. What you have is Israelis engaging in terrorist acts against both states, then conflating retaliation with cooperation.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Also Israel is a state not a terrorist organization

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_state-sponsored_terrorism

    An early example of Israeli state-sponsored was the 1954 Lavon Affair, a botched bomb plot in Egypt that led to the resignation of the Israeli defense minister at the time. In the 1970s and 1980s, Israel was also a major supplier of arms to dictatorial regimes in South America, Sub-Saharan Africa, and Asia. In the 21st-century, it has been accused of sponsoring and supporting several terrorist groups as part of its proxy conflict with Iran.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    Israel is a state

    Response:you’re right but here’s a list of organizations that are

    Congratulations, just seems like wasted effort

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You're right that a state can commit terrorism just like a group can, but the key issue here is whether the state works towards being held accountable and towards achieving a long term benefit for all its benefactors, investors, assets and the society it's providing for

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    I was saying a state can’t commit terrorism by virtue of being a state they are war crimes

    The difference is that random Israeli isn’t held accountable for war crimes committed by the regime but random Kurd/ISIS member/Proud Boys member can be held accountable for terrorist activities even if they aren’t involved

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    https://al-shabaka.org/briefs/the-systematic-torture-of-palestinians-in-israeli-detention/

    The recent case of Samer Arbeed highlighted once again the systematic use of torture against Palestinian detainees in Israeli prisons. Israeli soldiers arrested Arbeed at his home in Ramallah on September 25, 2019. They beat him severely before taking him to Al Moscobiyye detention center in Jerusalem for interrogation. Two days later, according to his lawyer, he was hospitalized as a result of severe torture, and lay in critical condition for several weeks. A judicial body had authorized the Israeli Secret Service, the Shin Bet, to use “exceptional methods” to extract information in this case without going through the courts. This led Amnesty International to condemn what happened to Arbeed as “legally-sanctioned torture.“

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (2 children)

    Torture is a war crime

    What is your point?

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