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this one goes out to the arts & humanities (mander.xyz)

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[–] thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Honestly people are trying to desperately to automate physical labor to. The problem is the machines don't understand the context of their work which can cause problems. All the work of AI is a result of trying to make a machine that can. The art and humanities is more a side project

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[–] TCB13@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The art and humanities is more a side project

I'll add:

A side project that isn't a life or death situation like most of those physical labor things you're talking about. Art isn't also bound or constrain by rules and regulations like those jobs and if the AI fails at art then there's no problem. Nobody would care.

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[–] dariusj18@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

if the AI fails at art then there's no problem. Nobody would care.

https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/art-6

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[–] Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Besides, if it fails at art it might even create something we never thought

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[–] hypnicjerk@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

this is fundamentally the opposite of what generative AI does. its fail state is basically regurgitating its training data intact.

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[–] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 2 points 2 years ago

you kidding? that's its success state

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[–] TCB13@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children)

So... art is essentially failing ahaha.

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[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 3 points 2 years ago

With style!

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[–] Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

Yeah pretty much. I think. I am no art connoisseur though. If I see pretty drawings or images or whatever, I like.

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[–] istanbullu@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Nothing wrong in automating tasks that previously needed human labour. I would much rather sit back and chill, and let automation do my bidding

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[–] Siethron@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

If only the people in control of the wealth would let the rest of us chill while the machines do all the labor.

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[–] istanbullu@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

that's a social problem, not technology's fault.

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[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago

It’s a psychological problem. I chill quite a bit more than most people in history, and in ways people from twenty years ago couldn’t imagine.

I say it’s a psychological problem because despite how overwhelmingly incredible our society is, people are totally committed to this notion that it sucks.

I love my life. I’d rather be low on the economic ladder in today’s world than anywhere in the hierarchy of any previous incarnation of our civilization. Our world is absolutely fucking amazing, and I thank god I have the presence of mind to see past the anti-everything propaganda and actually have a little gratitude for all I’ve inherited from my ancestors, who actually suffered miserable conditions to give me this world.

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[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago

Yeah if only I didn’t have to farm food all day, and worry about the constant gnawing of my empty stomach, and the predators at my door, then I could maybe sit and watch some netflix or play video games, listen to concerts that took place fifty years ago, or just soak in a hot tub of water, our horrible society keeps all that leisure for the most wealthy.

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[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

I believe that i read a title in my local news about AI being implemented in this country's tax system and evaluation of cancer patients. I could try to find a link although it would be in a different language.

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[–] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 3 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

The problem is the machines don’t understand the context of their work which can cause problems. All the work of AI is a result of trying to make a machine that can.

I am deeply confused by this statement.

A robot that assembles cars does not need to "understand" anything about what it's doing. It just needs to make the same motions with its welding torch over and over again for eternity. And it does that job pretty well.

Further, neural networks as they stand cannot truly understand anything. All classification networks know how to do is point at stuff and say "That's a car/traffic light/cancer cell", and all generation networks know how to do is parrot. Any halfway decent teacher will tell you that memorizing and understanding are completely different things.

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[–] thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

No but a robot that does the dishes needs to know how to know what a dish is and how to clean all different types and what's not a dish. The complexity of behavior needed to automate human tasks that cannot be done by a assembly line robot is immense. Most manual labor jobs are still manual labor because they are too full of unknowns and nuances for a simple logic diagram to be of any use. So yes some robots need to understand what's going on

And as for parroting vs remembering current LLMs are very limited in the capacity of creating new things but they can create novel things bash smashing together their training data. Think about it, that's all humans are too. A result of our training data. If I took away every single one of your sense since the day you where born and removed your ability to remember anything you wouldn't be very intelligent either. With no inputs youcould produce no outputs other than gibberish which an AI can do to. ( And I mean ALL senses you have no form of connection with the outside world )

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[–] psud@aussie.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

My dish washing robot doesn't need to know anything. It does depend on me loading it, and putting the more heat affected stuff on the top shelf

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[–] thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago

Yes it depends on you loading it, doesn't always get all the dishes done, and will melt your dishes if they are heat sensitive. All this because it doesn't understand the task at hand. If it did it could, put them away for you, load them, ensure all dishes are spotless, and hand wash heat sensitive dishes.

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[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

Right. That’s why making cars is already automated. But a robot that digs ditches needs to understand context because no two ditches are the same.

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[–] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

The problem is they didn't focus research this tech, or try to make image generators specifically, it was an scientific discovery coming from emulating how brains work and then it worked wonders in these fields

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[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

Which is why STEM is so cool. Because one is dedicated to an interaction with physical reality, which exists outside the mind, novelty can arise unexpectedly from a simple and honest conversation with deep structures nobody knows about.

STEM is cool because it involves discovery. The fact that amazing things can exist without anyone being (yet) aware of them makes it an open and unpredictable undertaking.

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