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Accelerationist [RULE] (files.catbox.moe)
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[–] 35 points 2 years ago (8 children)

If Biden wanted my vote he could simply stop supporting genocide. Really quite a low bar for him to clear.

There's "holding your nose" and there's voting for someone actively aiding a genocide.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    no one is proposing voting for trump here

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  • [–] [S] 65 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Not voting is letting trump have an easier time at victory

    I'd prefer he had the hardest time imaginable

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago

    Not voting is letting trump have an easier time at victory

    The core of the GOP's strategy for holding on to power is the disenfranchisement of voters who are opposed to them. Not voting (or voting third party) is self-disenfranchisement and doing the GOP's work for them.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    i mean to vote for someone who won't support the genocide, but i wouldn't fault anyone for looking at all the candidates and deciding none of them deserve to have the office.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I was young once too

    this is ad hominem. what i'm saying is true or false regardless of how old i am. also, you don't know how old i am. and on the internet, no one knows you're a dog: you could be 12 years old for all i know.

    this statement is pure sophistry. it's disgusting rhetoric, and you should be ashamed.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Every single person who has a nonzero chance of being president next year supports Israel, so you should vote based on what the best possible outcome is.

    i only vote for someone i want to have the office. you don't get to tell my what i value or how i should express my values. you certainly don't get to tell me how to vote.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    if Trump wins, it will be your fault

    the only people responsible for electing trump are those who vote for him. i'm not doing that, so it can't be my fault.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (19 children)

    If there are 10 people including you and the majority chooses who gets to be president and the vote ends up as 5 for Biden (including you) and 5 for Trump. Then the vote gets recast and the only thing that changes is that you decided not to vote for Biden, it would be 5/4 for Trump and the person responsible for electing Trump would be everyone who voted for him and you. If you had voted against Trump instead of abstaining, he would not have become president.

    That's a very basic concept and it's clear that it extrapolates to the actual election.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    Nobody running for president, ever, has deserved the office. I sincerely believe, as Douglas Adams so eloquently put, that “those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it.”

    I can’t think of any point in recent history where the choice is of who is deserving for office. The choice is, and has always been, who is the least undeserving of office (or the spoiler candidate). This year, I think it’s pretty obvious who is least undeserving of office.

    The choice of who is deserving for office is reserved for everyone else further down the ballot.

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  • [–] 65 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Do you really believe not voting for Biden deceases the likelihood of genocide in Gaza? Because the alternative seems so much worse in every way, both for Gaza and so many other massively important issues

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago

    You are on a different and better level. You are a Chad consequentialist. Managing probabilities, shooting for the best outcomes, minimizing losses. Setting up the group of ideologically aligned leaders for future success. Fighting off fascism for four more years against all odds.

    They are a weak feelings voter. Hopes Biden senpai will notice them and throwing a temper tantrum when he doesn't. Talks about genocide, but doesn't actually care if Trump will handle the genocide any differently than Biden. Wants everyone else to suffer because they are suffering. Hoping if Trump gets elected that someone else will do the hard work and fighting to fix everything. Is burned out on politics, but instead of not voting quietly, makes big posts about how not voting is actually a good and very smart idea because they can't handle the fact that they need to rest.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    I'm not voting for someone who's pro genocide, sorry.

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  • [–] 41 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    And instead, a genocide will still be on, and also more women will go to prison for seeking medical care, and also my LGBT friends will have their rights eroded even more, and also the new president will annoint more christofascist Godkings to the Supreme Court ensuring that any attempt to vote for an actual leftist in the future is impossible, and it'll be fine, because at least you didn't vote for the guy that wouldn't have done all that extra awful shit

    A vote is not an endorsement, stop treating it like it is.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Wow that all sounds awful. Biden should really try to win in order to prevent that.

    I suggest he make himself more appealing by being anti-genocide.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    Yeah, he should, and if he doesn't, you still have to vote for him anyway, because the alternative is necessarily worse.

    It absolutely sucks that Democrats are able to make zero effort and get votes based solely on the fact that they aren't Republicans, but that's the way it is. Vote in primaries, fight to make Republicans adopt better policies so that Democrats have to react, and vote blue in November, because the alternative is half the people in the community we're arguing in going to fucking jail for being trans.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    you still have to vote for him anyway

    fuck you, i won't do what you tell me

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Biden isn't pro genocide, at least there is no evidence to say that. The Biden administration has been against the ground invasion from the start.

    Biden has made some missteps in my opinion, but America pulling support for Israel was never a real option. Israel does require aid, but Netanyaho doesn't care if that aid comes from the US, or from his buddy Putin. Israel realigning with Russia would put Palestine in an even worse position because it would threaten their support from Iran.

    Then, of course, there is the risk of a regional war breaking out of Iran takes the strained relationship between the US and Israel as an opportunity. That could easily pull other countries in and become WW3.

    Foreign policy is about more than just virtue signaling. It's outcomes that matter, and what a lot of people are calling for will not get them the outcomes they are looking for.

    Not that I'm shaming anyone for pressuring Biden. The positive movement on aid shipments was very likely helped along by the protest votes in Michigan.

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  • [–] [S] 50 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    And I'm sure letting trump have an easier time getting elected will make things so much better.

    I would recommend talking to your local representatives about the current situation and how important it is to you and expressing how you may support other people running against them if they don't support a ceasefire.

    Local elections are really important.

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