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[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child)

I was young once too

this is ad hominem. what i'm saying is true or false regardless of how old i am. also, you don't know how old i am. and on the internet, no one knows you're a dog: you could be 12 years old for all i know.

this statement is pure sophistry. it's disgusting rhetoric, and you should be ashamed.

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[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

It's not ad hominem. I'm not saying you're wrong because this is your first election, I'm saying I can tell this is your first election because voting third party is incredibly naive. If this isn't your first election, then you should know better.

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[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

It’s not ad hominem

it is. you're attacking me instead of what i said.

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[+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

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[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

my identity has nothing to do with what I'm saying. it's an ad hominem and you should be ashamed.

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[+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

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[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

instead of being defensive, just apologize and do better

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[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Every single person who has a nonzero chance of being president next year supports Israel, so you should vote based on what the best possible outcome is.

i only vote for someone i want to have the office. you don't get to tell my what i value or how i should express my values. you certainly don't get to tell me how to vote.

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[+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 years ago (1 child)

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[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

if Trump wins, it will be your fault

the only people responsible for electing trump are those who vote for him. i'm not doing that, so it can't be my fault.

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[–] Donkter@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 child)

If there are 10 people including you and the majority chooses who gets to be president and the vote ends up as 5 for Biden (including you) and 5 for Trump. Then the vote gets recast and the only thing that changes is that you decided not to vote for Biden, it would be 5/4 for Trump and the person responsible for electing Trump would be everyone who voted for him and you. If you had voted against Trump instead of abstaining, he would not have become president.

That's a very basic concept and it's clear that it extrapolates to the actual election.

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[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

voting for a bad person is bad.

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[–] OKRainbowKid@feddit.de 12 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Voting for a bad person to prevent a horrible person from winning is good.

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[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

not according to kant.

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[–] OKRainbowKid@feddit.de 10 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Screw Kant then.

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[+] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

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[–] femboycuddles@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

Woah there, hold your argumentum ad populum! No ethics model is unflawed and just because deontological ethics work often doesn't mean they don't have problems. Instead of looking at the actions you can take, let's look at the results that could be reached:

Biden wins presidency
Trump wins presidency
3rd party wins presidency

No 3rd party has ever achieved presidency. Votes for a 3rd party have instead commonly resulted in votes being drawn from one party benefiting the other. So realistically we could generalise to:

Voting 3rd party: Aiding Trumps victory
Voting Trump: Aiding Trumps victory
Voting Biden: Aiding Trumps loss

I hate dichotomies as much as you, these shouldn't be the options, I would seriously love to be proven wrong. Am I missing something?

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[+] OKRainbowKid@feddit.de 7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

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[–] core@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

this kind of paranoid bad-jacketing of users is fucking disgusting. accusing users of being part of a state-sponsored psyop should be bannable across every community and instance. come with receipts, or keep your badfaith bullshit to yourself.

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[–] OKRainbowKid@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

It's a good thing you don't make the rules, then!

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[–] core@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago

are you running a CIA cointelpro operation?

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[+] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

[–] femboycuddles@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

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[+] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago

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[+] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children)

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[–] OKRainbowKid@feddit.de 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

You fail to see the point - intentionally, I assume.

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[+] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

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[–] PotatoKat@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Except you ignore their arguments to put out a thought terminating cliche and they keep addressing your points. The one who reads as bad faith here is you.

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[–] femboycuddles@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

I did consider this, I even adressed how this is an issue as it fails to aids Trump in winning the election. I do think that Biden is problematic and that the genocide in Palestine is wrong, however voting a 3rd party aids trump resulting in no changes in Palestine and changes for the worse for the rest of the world.

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[+] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago

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[+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago (1 child)

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[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

it's not a videogame, and I am not voting for Biden.

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[+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

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[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

if all you have is attacks on my identity, please block me, too

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[+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

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[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

that's exactly what an ad hominem is

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[+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

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[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago

yes you did.

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[+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

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[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

your explanation didnt prove me incorrect. but you did insult me at least three times already.

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[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago

Insults aren't ad hominem dummy

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[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Eventually you’ll figure out that the party that got 1% of the vote last time isn’t suddenly gonna sweep it with 51% this time.

no one proposed that

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[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The. What is the goal? To get to the magical 5%?

How’d that work out for Nader in 2000 when he didn’t even get to 3%? Was it worth it, when nearly 100k people voted for him in Florida, and Gore lost to Bush by a margin of only 537 votes? Would the environmentalists who supported Nader be more appreciative of Bush’s outcome than they would have been if Gores?

Third parties are great. We absolutely need them. But they cannot and will not ever get a foothold starting at the top of the ballot. Yang really has the right idea in The Forward Party, starting down ballot before even contemplating higher office. It’s the only way another party will ever get any significant standing.

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[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

gore didn't lose that election

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[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It shouldn’t have even been a question in the first place. 100k people thought Gore wasn’t good enough for them, and as a result, they all got us Bush.

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[–] SeducingCamel@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

Right wingers probably said this same shit when Biden got elected

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[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago

Nah they just say he didn’t.

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[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Yang really has the right idea in The Forward Party, starting down ballot before even contemplating higher office. It’s the only way another party will ever get any significant standing.

if you think that, you should put energy toward that. but I don't and won't.

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[+] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago

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