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[–] 13 points 2 years ago (5 children)

I'm not voting for someone who's pro genocide, sorry.

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  • [–] 41 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    And instead, a genocide will still be on, and also more women will go to prison for seeking medical care, and also my LGBT friends will have their rights eroded even more, and also the new president will annoint more christofascist Godkings to the Supreme Court ensuring that any attempt to vote for an actual leftist in the future is impossible, and it'll be fine, because at least you didn't vote for the guy that wouldn't have done all that extra awful shit

    A vote is not an endorsement, stop treating it like it is.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Wow that all sounds awful. Biden should really try to win in order to prevent that.

    I suggest he make himself more appealing by being anti-genocide.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    Yeah, he should, and if he doesn't, you still have to vote for him anyway, because the alternative is necessarily worse.

    It absolutely sucks that Democrats are able to make zero effort and get votes based solely on the fact that they aren't Republicans, but that's the way it is. Vote in primaries, fight to make Republicans adopt better policies so that Democrats have to react, and vote blue in November, because the alternative is half the people in the community we're arguing in going to fucking jail for being trans.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    you still have to vote for him anyway

    fuck you, i won't do what you tell me

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Then you get someone pro genocide anyways, but you get to hold your head real high when your friends die because they had an etopic pregnancy. Good job.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    that's not going to happen, so don't worry about my friends

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    That won't happen because you don't have any friends who are women or you don't have any friends in general? Because it absolutely will happen.

    Maybe some mentally ill guy needs to kill himself in front of a pro-life rally for you to care first?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (4 children)

    it won't happen because we take care of each other

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I didn't realize you lived in a Broadway play. I'm sure that mindset will help when federal bans/police come in.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    And all those people who don't have anyone to take care of them? Oh that's right, you don't actually care about them. You only care about making yourself feel good.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You only care about making yourself feel good.

    wrong

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Okay, so you don't care about all the people who will be effected then.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    of course I do. how bad faith would it be for me to accuse you of not caring about the people in Gaza? or the people who can't discharge their student debts?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    The difference is I am trying to minimize the harm done and you are not. If biden doesn't win then trump does, that's the reality. The fate of the people in Gaza are not what this election dictates. No matter who wins the people in Palestinian (my people) will continue to be bombed. But you know what is effected by the winner? The fate of the women who need abortions and the fate of many trans people. That is what gets decided by this election.

    You're not doing what you can to minimize the harm done, you are allowing through inaction the worst outcome.

    The election will end with either trump or biden winning. If you don't vote for biden you are helping trump by making it easier for him to win.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    If you don’t vote for biden you are helping trump by making it easier for him to win.

    only a vote for trump helps trump

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I saw someone else post this

    If 10 people vote and 5 go to Trump and 5 go to biden then you've avoided a Trump victory and allow for another round.

    If in that 2nd round a person who voted for biden decides to go 3rd party now trump has 5 votes biden has 4 and the 3rd party has 1.

    The person who switched to 3rd party helped Trump win along with the 5 who voted Trump. If you don't understand that then you're being purposefully obtuse. Or you could explain how that 3rd party vote didn't help Trump without responding with a thought terminating cliche

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    the only votes that help Trump are votes for trump. a vote for Jill Stein or cornel west is a vote against Trump. a vote against Trump doesn't help Trump.

    your scenario presumes I would vote for Biden. I did that once in 2008. I haven't voted for a Democrat for president since and I won't be voting for Biden this year either.

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  • [+] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    I won't have any blood on my hands, unlike people empowering Biden or Trump.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Biden isn't pro genocide, at least there is no evidence to say that. The Biden administration has been against the ground invasion from the start.

    Biden has made some missteps in my opinion, but America pulling support for Israel was never a real option. Israel does require aid, but Netanyaho doesn't care if that aid comes from the US, or from his buddy Putin. Israel realigning with Russia would put Palestine in an even worse position because it would threaten their support from Iran.

    Then, of course, there is the risk of a regional war breaking out of Iran takes the strained relationship between the US and Israel as an opportunity. That could easily pull other countries in and become WW3.

    Foreign policy is about more than just virtue signaling. It's outcomes that matter, and what a lot of people are calling for will not get them the outcomes they are looking for.

    Not that I'm shaming anyone for pressuring Biden. The positive movement on aid shipments was very likely helped along by the protest votes in Michigan.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    How would aligning with Russia would help Israel when the US locks every weapon they can lock?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    Israel does a lot of research and innovation for US technologies, including weapons. That would be of great value to Russia. I can't speak as to what weapons the US can and can't lock.

    All of this is in a kind of unrealistic realm, because US support for Israel isn't going anywhere.

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