▲ 874 ▼ Accelerationist [RULE] (files.catbox.moe) submitted 2 years ago by Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone to c/196@lemmy.blahaj.zone 218 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] xor@infosec.pub 134 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago (2 children) no one is proposing voting for trump here permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone [S] 65 points 2 years ago (2 children) Not voting is letting trump have an easier time at victory I'd prefer he had the hardest time imaginable permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago Not voting is letting trump have an easier time at victory The core of the GOP's strategy for holding on to power is the disenfranchisement of voters who are opposed to them. Not voting (or voting third party) is self-disenfranchisement and doing the GOP's work for them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (2 children) i mean to vote for someone who won't support the genocide, but i wouldn't fault anyone for looking at all the candidates and deciding none of them deserve to have the office. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 32 points 2 years ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) I was young once too this is ad hominem. what i'm saying is true or false regardless of how old i am. also, you don't know how old i am. and on the internet, no one knows you're a dog: you could be 12 years old for all i know. this statement is pure sophistry. it's disgusting rhetoric, and you should be ashamed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 years ago* (1 child) It's not ad hominem. I'm not saying you're wrong because this is your first election, I'm saying I can tell this is your first election because voting third party is incredibly naive. If this isn't your first election, then you should know better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) It’s not ad hominem it is. you're attacking me instead of what i said. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) my identity has nothing to do with what I'm saying. it's an ad hominem and you should be ashamed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago instead of being defensive, just apologize and do better permalink fedilink source parent [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) Every single person who has a nonzero chance of being president next year supports Israel, so you should vote based on what the best possible outcome is. i only vote for someone i want to have the office. you don't get to tell my what i value or how i should express my values. you certainly don't get to tell me how to vote. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (2 children) if Trump wins, it will be your fault the only people responsible for electing trump are those who vote for him. i'm not doing that, so it can't be my fault. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Donkter@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) If there are 10 people including you and the majority chooses who gets to be president and the vote ends up as 5 for Biden (including you) and 5 for Trump. Then the vote gets recast and the only thing that changes is that you decided not to vote for Biden, it would be 5/4 for Trump and the person responsible for electing Trump would be everyone who voted for him and you. If you had voted against Trump instead of abstaining, he would not have become president. That's a very basic concept and it's clear that it extrapolates to the actual election. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) voting for a bad person is bad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OKRainbowKid@feddit.de 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) Voting for a bad person to prevent a horrible person from winning is good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) not according to kant. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OKRainbowKid@feddit.de 10 points 2 years ago (15 children) Screw Kant then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments load more comments (15 replies) [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) it's not a videogame, and I am not voting for Biden. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago* (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) if all you have is attacks on my identity, please block me, too permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) that's exactly what an ad hominem is permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) your explanation didnt prove me incorrect. but you did insult me at least three times already. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago Insults aren't ad hominem dummy permalink fedilink source parent [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Eventually you’ll figure out that the party that got 1% of the vote last time isn’t suddenly gonna sweep it with 51% this time. no one proposed that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 years ago (6 children) The. What is the goal? To get to the magical 5%? How’d that work out for Nader in 2000 when he didn’t even get to 3%? Was it worth it, when nearly 100k people voted for him in Florida, and Gore lost to Bush by a margin of only 537 votes? Would the environmentalists who supported Nader be more appreciative of Bush’s outcome than they would have been if Gores? Third parties are great. We absolutely need them. But they cannot and will not ever get a foothold starting at the top of the ballot. Yang really has the right idea in The Forward Party, starting down ballot before even contemplating higher office. It’s the only way another party will ever get any significant standing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments load more comments (6 replies) load more comments (1 reply) [–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 19 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Nobody running for president, ever, has deserved the office. I sincerely believe, as Douglas Adams so eloquently put, that “those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it.” I can’t think of any point in recent history where the choice is of who is deserving for office. The choice is, and has always been, who is the least undeserving of office (or the spoiler candidate). This year, I think it’s pretty obvious who is least undeserving of office. The choice of who is deserving for office is reserved for everyone else further down the ballot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) [–] YeetPics@mander.xyz 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) What happens in a FPTP system with only 2 viable parties when everyone doesn't vote for the least maniacal of the two? Who do you think wins that bout? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Plague_Doctor@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (4 children) That's how you split a vote. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) [–] Psychodelic@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago Ow. Fuck, that hurt. And, now I have this big red handprint on my face 🤦🏽♂️ permalink fedilink source parent [–] endhits@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Stop acting like Biden is just being lied to by Israel and is some helpless victim. He is absolutely responsible for his continued allowance of the genocide of Palestinians. Hold your politicians to a higher standard. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Stovetop@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (5 replies)
[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago (2 children) no one is proposing voting for trump here permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone [S] 65 points 2 years ago (2 children) Not voting is letting trump have an easier time at victory I'd prefer he had the hardest time imaginable permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago Not voting is letting trump have an easier time at victory The core of the GOP's strategy for holding on to power is the disenfranchisement of voters who are opposed to them. Not voting (or voting third party) is self-disenfranchisement and doing the GOP's work for them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (2 children) i mean to vote for someone who won't support the genocide, but i wouldn't fault anyone for looking at all the candidates and deciding none of them deserve to have the office. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 32 points 2 years ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) I was young once too this is ad hominem. what i'm saying is true or false regardless of how old i am. also, you don't know how old i am. and on the internet, no one knows you're a dog: you could be 12 years old for all i know. this statement is pure sophistry. it's disgusting rhetoric, and you should be ashamed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 years ago* (1 child) It's not ad hominem. I'm not saying you're wrong because this is your first election, I'm saying I can tell this is your first election because voting third party is incredibly naive. If this isn't your first election, then you should know better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) It’s not ad hominem it is. you're attacking me instead of what i said. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) my identity has nothing to do with what I'm saying. it's an ad hominem and you should be ashamed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago instead of being defensive, just apologize and do better permalink fedilink source parent [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) Every single person who has a nonzero chance of being president next year supports Israel, so you should vote based on what the best possible outcome is. i only vote for someone i want to have the office. you don't get to tell my what i value or how i should express my values. you certainly don't get to tell me how to vote. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (2 children) if Trump wins, it will be your fault the only people responsible for electing trump are those who vote for him. i'm not doing that, so it can't be my fault. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Donkter@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) If there are 10 people including you and the majority chooses who gets to be president and the vote ends up as 5 for Biden (including you) and 5 for Trump. Then the vote gets recast and the only thing that changes is that you decided not to vote for Biden, it would be 5/4 for Trump and the person responsible for electing Trump would be everyone who voted for him and you. If you had voted against Trump instead of abstaining, he would not have become president. That's a very basic concept and it's clear that it extrapolates to the actual election. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) voting for a bad person is bad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OKRainbowKid@feddit.de 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) Voting for a bad person to prevent a horrible person from winning is good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) not according to kant. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OKRainbowKid@feddit.de 10 points 2 years ago (15 children) Screw Kant then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments load more comments (15 replies) [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) it's not a videogame, and I am not voting for Biden. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago* (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) if all you have is attacks on my identity, please block me, too permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) that's exactly what an ad hominem is permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) your explanation didnt prove me incorrect. but you did insult me at least three times already. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago Insults aren't ad hominem dummy permalink fedilink source parent [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Eventually you’ll figure out that the party that got 1% of the vote last time isn’t suddenly gonna sweep it with 51% this time. no one proposed that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 years ago (6 children) The. What is the goal? To get to the magical 5%? How’d that work out for Nader in 2000 when he didn’t even get to 3%? Was it worth it, when nearly 100k people voted for him in Florida, and Gore lost to Bush by a margin of only 537 votes? Would the environmentalists who supported Nader be more appreciative of Bush’s outcome than they would have been if Gores? Third parties are great. We absolutely need them. But they cannot and will not ever get a foothold starting at the top of the ballot. Yang really has the right idea in The Forward Party, starting down ballot before even contemplating higher office. It’s the only way another party will ever get any significant standing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments load more comments (6 replies) load more comments (1 reply) [–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 19 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Nobody running for president, ever, has deserved the office. I sincerely believe, as Douglas Adams so eloquently put, that “those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it.” I can’t think of any point in recent history where the choice is of who is deserving for office. The choice is, and has always been, who is the least undeserving of office (or the spoiler candidate). This year, I think it’s pretty obvious who is least undeserving of office. The choice of who is deserving for office is reserved for everyone else further down the ballot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) [–] YeetPics@mander.xyz 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) What happens in a FPTP system with only 2 viable parties when everyone doesn't vote for the least maniacal of the two? Who do you think wins that bout? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Plague_Doctor@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (4 children) That's how you split a vote. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) [–] Psychodelic@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago Ow. Fuck, that hurt. And, now I have this big red handprint on my face 🤦🏽♂️ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone [S] 65 points 2 years ago (2 children) Not voting is letting trump have an easier time at victory I'd prefer he had the hardest time imaginable permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago Not voting is letting trump have an easier time at victory The core of the GOP's strategy for holding on to power is the disenfranchisement of voters who are opposed to them. Not voting (or voting third party) is self-disenfranchisement and doing the GOP's work for them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (2 children) i mean to vote for someone who won't support the genocide, but i wouldn't fault anyone for looking at all the candidates and deciding none of them deserve to have the office. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 32 points 2 years ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) I was young once too this is ad hominem. what i'm saying is true or false regardless of how old i am. also, you don't know how old i am. and on the internet, no one knows you're a dog: you could be 12 years old for all i know. this statement is pure sophistry. it's disgusting rhetoric, and you should be ashamed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 years ago* (1 child) It's not ad hominem. I'm not saying you're wrong because this is your first election, I'm saying I can tell this is your first election because voting third party is incredibly naive. If this isn't your first election, then you should know better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) It’s not ad hominem it is. you're attacking me instead of what i said. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) my identity has nothing to do with what I'm saying. it's an ad hominem and you should be ashamed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago instead of being defensive, just apologize and do better permalink fedilink source parent [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) Every single person who has a nonzero chance of being president next year supports Israel, so you should vote based on what the best possible outcome is. i only vote for someone i want to have the office. you don't get to tell my what i value or how i should express my values. you certainly don't get to tell me how to vote. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (2 children) if Trump wins, it will be your fault the only people responsible for electing trump are those who vote for him. i'm not doing that, so it can't be my fault. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Donkter@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) If there are 10 people including you and the majority chooses who gets to be president and the vote ends up as 5 for Biden (including you) and 5 for Trump. Then the vote gets recast and the only thing that changes is that you decided not to vote for Biden, it would be 5/4 for Trump and the person responsible for electing Trump would be everyone who voted for him and you. If you had voted against Trump instead of abstaining, he would not have become president. That's a very basic concept and it's clear that it extrapolates to the actual election. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) voting for a bad person is bad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OKRainbowKid@feddit.de 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) Voting for a bad person to prevent a horrible person from winning is good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) not according to kant. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OKRainbowKid@feddit.de 10 points 2 years ago (15 children) Screw Kant then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments load more comments (15 replies) [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) it's not a videogame, and I am not voting for Biden. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago* (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) if all you have is attacks on my identity, please block me, too permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) that's exactly what an ad hominem is permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) your explanation didnt prove me incorrect. but you did insult me at least three times already. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago Insults aren't ad hominem dummy permalink fedilink source parent [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Eventually you’ll figure out that the party that got 1% of the vote last time isn’t suddenly gonna sweep it with 51% this time. no one proposed that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 years ago (6 children) The. What is the goal? To get to the magical 5%? How’d that work out for Nader in 2000 when he didn’t even get to 3%? Was it worth it, when nearly 100k people voted for him in Florida, and Gore lost to Bush by a margin of only 537 votes? Would the environmentalists who supported Nader be more appreciative of Bush’s outcome than they would have been if Gores? Third parties are great. We absolutely need them. But they cannot and will not ever get a foothold starting at the top of the ballot. Yang really has the right idea in The Forward Party, starting down ballot before even contemplating higher office. It’s the only way another party will ever get any significant standing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments load more comments (6 replies) load more comments (1 reply) [–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 19 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Nobody running for president, ever, has deserved the office. I sincerely believe, as Douglas Adams so eloquently put, that “those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it.” I can’t think of any point in recent history where the choice is of who is deserving for office. The choice is, and has always been, who is the least undeserving of office (or the spoiler candidate). This year, I think it’s pretty obvious who is least undeserving of office. The choice of who is deserving for office is reserved for everyone else further down the ballot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply)
[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago Not voting is letting trump have an easier time at victory The core of the GOP's strategy for holding on to power is the disenfranchisement of voters who are opposed to them. Not voting (or voting third party) is self-disenfranchisement and doing the GOP's work for them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (2 children) i mean to vote for someone who won't support the genocide, but i wouldn't fault anyone for looking at all the candidates and deciding none of them deserve to have the office. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 32 points 2 years ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) I was young once too this is ad hominem. what i'm saying is true or false regardless of how old i am. also, you don't know how old i am. and on the internet, no one knows you're a dog: you could be 12 years old for all i know. this statement is pure sophistry. it's disgusting rhetoric, and you should be ashamed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 years ago* (1 child) It's not ad hominem. I'm not saying you're wrong because this is your first election, I'm saying I can tell this is your first election because voting third party is incredibly naive. If this isn't your first election, then you should know better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) It’s not ad hominem it is. you're attacking me instead of what i said. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) my identity has nothing to do with what I'm saying. it's an ad hominem and you should be ashamed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago instead of being defensive, just apologize and do better permalink fedilink source parent [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) Every single person who has a nonzero chance of being president next year supports Israel, so you should vote based on what the best possible outcome is. i only vote for someone i want to have the office. you don't get to tell my what i value or how i should express my values. you certainly don't get to tell me how to vote. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (2 children) if Trump wins, it will be your fault the only people responsible for electing trump are those who vote for him. i'm not doing that, so it can't be my fault. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Donkter@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) If there are 10 people including you and the majority chooses who gets to be president and the vote ends up as 5 for Biden (including you) and 5 for Trump. Then the vote gets recast and the only thing that changes is that you decided not to vote for Biden, it would be 5/4 for Trump and the person responsible for electing Trump would be everyone who voted for him and you. If you had voted against Trump instead of abstaining, he would not have become president. That's a very basic concept and it's clear that it extrapolates to the actual election. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) voting for a bad person is bad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OKRainbowKid@feddit.de 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) Voting for a bad person to prevent a horrible person from winning is good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) not according to kant. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OKRainbowKid@feddit.de 10 points 2 years ago (15 children) Screw Kant then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments load more comments (15 replies) [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) it's not a videogame, and I am not voting for Biden. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago* (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) if all you have is attacks on my identity, please block me, too permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) that's exactly what an ad hominem is permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) your explanation didnt prove me incorrect. but you did insult me at least three times already. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago Insults aren't ad hominem dummy permalink fedilink source parent [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Eventually you’ll figure out that the party that got 1% of the vote last time isn’t suddenly gonna sweep it with 51% this time. no one proposed that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 years ago (6 children) The. What is the goal? To get to the magical 5%? How’d that work out for Nader in 2000 when he didn’t even get to 3%? Was it worth it, when nearly 100k people voted for him in Florida, and Gore lost to Bush by a margin of only 537 votes? Would the environmentalists who supported Nader be more appreciative of Bush’s outcome than they would have been if Gores? Third parties are great. We absolutely need them. But they cannot and will not ever get a foothold starting at the top of the ballot. Yang really has the right idea in The Forward Party, starting down ballot before even contemplating higher office. It’s the only way another party will ever get any significant standing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments load more comments (6 replies) load more comments (1 reply) [–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 19 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Nobody running for president, ever, has deserved the office. I sincerely believe, as Douglas Adams so eloquently put, that “those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it.” I can’t think of any point in recent history where the choice is of who is deserving for office. The choice is, and has always been, who is the least undeserving of office (or the spoiler candidate). This year, I think it’s pretty obvious who is least undeserving of office. The choice of who is deserving for office is reserved for everyone else further down the ballot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply)
[+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 32 points 2 years ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) I was young once too this is ad hominem. what i'm saying is true or false regardless of how old i am. also, you don't know how old i am. and on the internet, no one knows you're a dog: you could be 12 years old for all i know. this statement is pure sophistry. it's disgusting rhetoric, and you should be ashamed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 years ago* (1 child) It's not ad hominem. I'm not saying you're wrong because this is your first election, I'm saying I can tell this is your first election because voting third party is incredibly naive. If this isn't your first election, then you should know better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) It’s not ad hominem it is. you're attacking me instead of what i said. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) my identity has nothing to do with what I'm saying. it's an ad hominem and you should be ashamed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago instead of being defensive, just apologize and do better permalink fedilink source parent [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) Every single person who has a nonzero chance of being president next year supports Israel, so you should vote based on what the best possible outcome is. i only vote for someone i want to have the office. you don't get to tell my what i value or how i should express my values. you certainly don't get to tell me how to vote. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (2 children) if Trump wins, it will be your fault the only people responsible for electing trump are those who vote for him. i'm not doing that, so it can't be my fault. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Donkter@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) If there are 10 people including you and the majority chooses who gets to be president and the vote ends up as 5 for Biden (including you) and 5 for Trump. Then the vote gets recast and the only thing that changes is that you decided not to vote for Biden, it would be 5/4 for Trump and the person responsible for electing Trump would be everyone who voted for him and you. If you had voted against Trump instead of abstaining, he would not have become president. That's a very basic concept and it's clear that it extrapolates to the actual election. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) voting for a bad person is bad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OKRainbowKid@feddit.de 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) Voting for a bad person to prevent a horrible person from winning is good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) not according to kant. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OKRainbowKid@feddit.de 10 points 2 years ago (15 children) Screw Kant then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments load more comments (15 replies) [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) it's not a videogame, and I am not voting for Biden. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago* (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) if all you have is attacks on my identity, please block me, too permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) that's exactly what an ad hominem is permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) your explanation didnt prove me incorrect. but you did insult me at least three times already. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago Insults aren't ad hominem dummy permalink fedilink source parent [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Eventually you’ll figure out that the party that got 1% of the vote last time isn’t suddenly gonna sweep it with 51% this time. no one proposed that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 years ago (6 children) The. What is the goal? To get to the magical 5%? How’d that work out for Nader in 2000 when he didn’t even get to 3%? Was it worth it, when nearly 100k people voted for him in Florida, and Gore lost to Bush by a margin of only 537 votes? Would the environmentalists who supported Nader be more appreciative of Bush’s outcome than they would have been if Gores? Third parties are great. We absolutely need them. But they cannot and will not ever get a foothold starting at the top of the ballot. Yang really has the right idea in The Forward Party, starting down ballot before even contemplating higher office. It’s the only way another party will ever get any significant standing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments load more comments (6 replies) load more comments (1 reply)
[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) I was young once too this is ad hominem. what i'm saying is true or false regardless of how old i am. also, you don't know how old i am. and on the internet, no one knows you're a dog: you could be 12 years old for all i know. this statement is pure sophistry. it's disgusting rhetoric, and you should be ashamed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 years ago* (1 child) It's not ad hominem. I'm not saying you're wrong because this is your first election, I'm saying I can tell this is your first election because voting third party is incredibly naive. If this isn't your first election, then you should know better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) It’s not ad hominem it is. you're attacking me instead of what i said. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) my identity has nothing to do with what I'm saying. it's an ad hominem and you should be ashamed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago instead of being defensive, just apologize and do better permalink fedilink source parent
[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 years ago* (1 child) It's not ad hominem. I'm not saying you're wrong because this is your first election, I'm saying I can tell this is your first election because voting third party is incredibly naive. If this isn't your first election, then you should know better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) It’s not ad hominem it is. you're attacking me instead of what i said. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) my identity has nothing to do with what I'm saying. it's an ad hominem and you should be ashamed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago instead of being defensive, just apologize and do better permalink fedilink source parent
[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) It’s not ad hominem it is. you're attacking me instead of what i said. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) my identity has nothing to do with what I'm saying. it's an ad hominem and you should be ashamed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago instead of being defensive, just apologize and do better permalink fedilink source parent
[+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) my identity has nothing to do with what I'm saying. it's an ad hominem and you should be ashamed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago instead of being defensive, just apologize and do better permalink fedilink source parent
[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) my identity has nothing to do with what I'm saying. it's an ad hominem and you should be ashamed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago instead of being defensive, just apologize and do better permalink fedilink source parent
[+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago instead of being defensive, just apologize and do better permalink fedilink source parent
[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago instead of being defensive, just apologize and do better permalink fedilink source parent
[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) Every single person who has a nonzero chance of being president next year supports Israel, so you should vote based on what the best possible outcome is. i only vote for someone i want to have the office. you don't get to tell my what i value or how i should express my values. you certainly don't get to tell me how to vote. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (2 children) if Trump wins, it will be your fault the only people responsible for electing trump are those who vote for him. i'm not doing that, so it can't be my fault. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Donkter@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) If there are 10 people including you and the majority chooses who gets to be president and the vote ends up as 5 for Biden (including you) and 5 for Trump. Then the vote gets recast and the only thing that changes is that you decided not to vote for Biden, it would be 5/4 for Trump and the person responsible for electing Trump would be everyone who voted for him and you. If you had voted against Trump instead of abstaining, he would not have become president. That's a very basic concept and it's clear that it extrapolates to the actual election. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) voting for a bad person is bad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OKRainbowKid@feddit.de 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) Voting for a bad person to prevent a horrible person from winning is good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) not according to kant. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OKRainbowKid@feddit.de 10 points 2 years ago (15 children) Screw Kant then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments load more comments (15 replies) [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) it's not a videogame, and I am not voting for Biden. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago* (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) if all you have is attacks on my identity, please block me, too permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) that's exactly what an ad hominem is permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) your explanation didnt prove me incorrect. but you did insult me at least three times already. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago Insults aren't ad hominem dummy permalink fedilink source parent
[+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (2 children) if Trump wins, it will be your fault the only people responsible for electing trump are those who vote for him. i'm not doing that, so it can't be my fault. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Donkter@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) If there are 10 people including you and the majority chooses who gets to be president and the vote ends up as 5 for Biden (including you) and 5 for Trump. Then the vote gets recast and the only thing that changes is that you decided not to vote for Biden, it would be 5/4 for Trump and the person responsible for electing Trump would be everyone who voted for him and you. If you had voted against Trump instead of abstaining, he would not have become president. That's a very basic concept and it's clear that it extrapolates to the actual election. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) voting for a bad person is bad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OKRainbowKid@feddit.de 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) Voting for a bad person to prevent a horrible person from winning is good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) not according to kant. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OKRainbowKid@feddit.de 10 points 2 years ago (15 children) Screw Kant then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments load more comments (15 replies) [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) it's not a videogame, and I am not voting for Biden. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago* (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) if all you have is attacks on my identity, please block me, too permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) that's exactly what an ad hominem is permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) your explanation didnt prove me incorrect. but you did insult me at least three times already. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago Insults aren't ad hominem dummy permalink fedilink source parent
[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (2 children) if Trump wins, it will be your fault the only people responsible for electing trump are those who vote for him. i'm not doing that, so it can't be my fault. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Donkter@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) If there are 10 people including you and the majority chooses who gets to be president and the vote ends up as 5 for Biden (including you) and 5 for Trump. Then the vote gets recast and the only thing that changes is that you decided not to vote for Biden, it would be 5/4 for Trump and the person responsible for electing Trump would be everyone who voted for him and you. If you had voted against Trump instead of abstaining, he would not have become president. That's a very basic concept and it's clear that it extrapolates to the actual election. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) voting for a bad person is bad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OKRainbowKid@feddit.de 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) Voting for a bad person to prevent a horrible person from winning is good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) not according to kant. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OKRainbowKid@feddit.de 10 points 2 years ago (15 children) Screw Kant then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments load more comments (15 replies) [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) it's not a videogame, and I am not voting for Biden. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago* (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) if all you have is attacks on my identity, please block me, too permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) that's exactly what an ad hominem is permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) your explanation didnt prove me incorrect. but you did insult me at least three times already. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago Insults aren't ad hominem dummy permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Donkter@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) If there are 10 people including you and the majority chooses who gets to be president and the vote ends up as 5 for Biden (including you) and 5 for Trump. Then the vote gets recast and the only thing that changes is that you decided not to vote for Biden, it would be 5/4 for Trump and the person responsible for electing Trump would be everyone who voted for him and you. If you had voted against Trump instead of abstaining, he would not have become president. That's a very basic concept and it's clear that it extrapolates to the actual election. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) voting for a bad person is bad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OKRainbowKid@feddit.de 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) Voting for a bad person to prevent a horrible person from winning is good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) not according to kant. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OKRainbowKid@feddit.de 10 points 2 years ago (15 children) Screw Kant then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments load more comments (15 replies)
[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) voting for a bad person is bad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OKRainbowKid@feddit.de 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) Voting for a bad person to prevent a horrible person from winning is good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) not according to kant. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OKRainbowKid@feddit.de 10 points 2 years ago (15 children) Screw Kant then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments load more comments (15 replies)
[–] OKRainbowKid@feddit.de 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) Voting for a bad person to prevent a horrible person from winning is good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) not according to kant. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OKRainbowKid@feddit.de 10 points 2 years ago (15 children) Screw Kant then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments load more comments (15 replies)
[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) not according to kant. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OKRainbowKid@feddit.de 10 points 2 years ago (15 children) Screw Kant then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments load more comments (15 replies)
[–] OKRainbowKid@feddit.de 10 points 2 years ago (15 children) Screw Kant then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments load more comments (15 replies)
[+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) it's not a videogame, and I am not voting for Biden. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago* (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) if all you have is attacks on my identity, please block me, too permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) that's exactly what an ad hominem is permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) your explanation didnt prove me incorrect. but you did insult me at least three times already. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago Insults aren't ad hominem dummy permalink fedilink source parent
[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) it's not a videogame, and I am not voting for Biden. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago* (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) if all you have is attacks on my identity, please block me, too permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) that's exactly what an ad hominem is permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) your explanation didnt prove me incorrect. but you did insult me at least three times already. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago Insults aren't ad hominem dummy permalink fedilink source parent
[+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago* (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) if all you have is attacks on my identity, please block me, too permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) that's exactly what an ad hominem is permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) your explanation didnt prove me incorrect. but you did insult me at least three times already. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago Insults aren't ad hominem dummy permalink fedilink source parent
[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) if all you have is attacks on my identity, please block me, too permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) that's exactly what an ad hominem is permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) your explanation didnt prove me incorrect. but you did insult me at least three times already. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago Insults aren't ad hominem dummy permalink fedilink source parent
[+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) that's exactly what an ad hominem is permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) your explanation didnt prove me incorrect. but you did insult me at least three times already. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago Insults aren't ad hominem dummy permalink fedilink source parent
[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) that's exactly what an ad hominem is permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) your explanation didnt prove me incorrect. but you did insult me at least three times already. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago Insults aren't ad hominem dummy permalink fedilink source parent
[+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[+] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) your explanation didnt prove me incorrect. but you did insult me at least three times already. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago Insults aren't ad hominem dummy permalink fedilink source parent
[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) your explanation didnt prove me incorrect. but you did insult me at least three times already. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago Insults aren't ad hominem dummy permalink fedilink source parent
[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago Insults aren't ad hominem dummy permalink fedilink source parent
[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Eventually you’ll figure out that the party that got 1% of the vote last time isn’t suddenly gonna sweep it with 51% this time. no one proposed that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 years ago (6 children) The. What is the goal? To get to the magical 5%? How’d that work out for Nader in 2000 when he didn’t even get to 3%? Was it worth it, when nearly 100k people voted for him in Florida, and Gore lost to Bush by a margin of only 537 votes? Would the environmentalists who supported Nader be more appreciative of Bush’s outcome than they would have been if Gores? Third parties are great. We absolutely need them. But they cannot and will not ever get a foothold starting at the top of the ballot. Yang really has the right idea in The Forward Party, starting down ballot before even contemplating higher office. It’s the only way another party will ever get any significant standing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments load more comments (6 replies)
[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 years ago (6 children) The. What is the goal? To get to the magical 5%? How’d that work out for Nader in 2000 when he didn’t even get to 3%? Was it worth it, when nearly 100k people voted for him in Florida, and Gore lost to Bush by a margin of only 537 votes? Would the environmentalists who supported Nader be more appreciative of Bush’s outcome than they would have been if Gores? Third parties are great. We absolutely need them. But they cannot and will not ever get a foothold starting at the top of the ballot. Yang really has the right idea in The Forward Party, starting down ballot before even contemplating higher office. It’s the only way another party will ever get any significant standing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments load more comments (6 replies)
[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 19 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Nobody running for president, ever, has deserved the office. I sincerely believe, as Douglas Adams so eloquently put, that “those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it.” I can’t think of any point in recent history where the choice is of who is deserving for office. The choice is, and has always been, who is the least undeserving of office (or the spoiler candidate). This year, I think it’s pretty obvious who is least undeserving of office. The choice of who is deserving for office is reserved for everyone else further down the ballot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply)
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[–] YeetPics@mander.xyz 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) What happens in a FPTP system with only 2 viable parties when everyone doesn't vote for the least maniacal of the two? Who do you think wins that bout? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Plague_Doctor@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (4 children) That's how you split a vote. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) [–] Psychodelic@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago Ow. Fuck, that hurt. And, now I have this big red handprint on my face 🤦🏽♂️ permalink fedilink source parent
[+] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Plague_Doctor@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (4 children) That's how you split a vote. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) [–] Psychodelic@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago Ow. Fuck, that hurt. And, now I have this big red handprint on my face 🤦🏽♂️ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Plague_Doctor@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (4 children) That's how you split a vote. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies)
[–] Psychodelic@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago Ow. Fuck, that hurt. And, now I have this big red handprint on my face 🤦🏽♂️ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] endhits@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Stop acting like Biden is just being lied to by Israel and is some helpless victim. He is absolutely responsible for his continued allowance of the genocide of Palestinians. Hold your politicians to a higher standard. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Stovetop@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
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