▲ 514 ▼ 'Hell on wheels': Teen convicted of crashing car at 100 mph, killing boyfriend and friend (www.nbcnews.com) submitted 3 years ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world 175 comments fedilink hide all child comments “This was not reckless driving. This was murder,” the judge said before she read out Mackenzie Shirilla's verdict Monday afternoon.
[+] agressivelyPassive@feddit.de -32 points 3 years ago (6 children) Sounds more like a suicide/self harm thing to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] MyTurtleSwimsUpsideDown@kbin.social 74 points 3 years ago* (1 child) When you include an unconsenting person in the attempt, it is also murder. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 years ago (2 children) Not a lawyer, but even if they consent isn't it murder? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 8 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) You can't consent to murder, the best you could do is indemnify someone/an organisation against accidental death. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CaptainEffort@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 years ago (2 children) You can't consent to murder Genuine question - why not? If someone wants to be murdered, for whatever reason, would that not be them consenting? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] jarfil@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago You could try to argue some suicide/euthanasia case, but "murder" by definition is intentional death without the consent of the victim. permalink fedilink source parent [+] stappern@lemmy.one 0 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Fuck_u_spez_@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago* There are cases of mutual murderer/suicide pacts where there's shared responsibility and actions taken by each party but that wouldn't have been possible when she was the only one in control of the car. Even if the boyfriend was suicidal, and there's no reason to think he was from this article, the other passenger clearly wasn't. IANAL either but I think that's what the above comment was trying to get at. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JoBo@feddit.uk 41 points 3 years ago (1 child) It sounds much more like an abusive relationship. She was trying to punish him, regardless of the risk to herself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Hazdaz@lemmy.world -46 points 3 years ago (1 child) ...no, no, no... only WOMEN can be in abusive relationships. At least that is the utter bullshit you would believe if you listened to the feminist/white knight rhetoric out there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Halosheep@lemm.ee 20 points 3 years ago (1 child) This would have been better if you left it untyped. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Hazdaz@lemmy.world -22 points 3 years ago (1 child) Clearly you don't want to hear the truth of the general bias of the internet and society as a whole. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jackalope@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) A good feminist supports male victims. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hazdaz@lemmy.world -5 points 3 years ago We don't have good feminists. The ones we have left don't want equality, they want favoritism. There is a massive difference between the two. permalink fedilink source parent [–] state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 25 points 3 years ago If you attempt to kill yourself and take other people with you, it's commonly called murder/suicide. Killing people with intent is usually murder. permalink fedilink source parent [+] elbarto777@lemmy.world 23 points 3 years ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] agressivelyPassive@feddit.de -20 points 3 years ago (1 child) That's not exactly what has happened here and derailing it using emotional hyperbole won't help either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JoBo@feddit.uk 25 points 3 years ago Honestly, it's very very similar. AFAICT she was trying to punish him. It has all the hallmarks of an abusive relationship. And an all too common outcome. permalink fedilink source parent [–] OceanSoap@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 years ago If you're trying to kill others along with you, it's not just suicide, it's also murder. permalink fedilink source parent [+] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -30 points 3 years ago (7 children) This is why suicidal people are dangerous, it's a relatively small change from killing yourself, to killing others. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] zaph@sh.itjust.works 26 points 3 years ago (2 children) This is why pastry chefs are dangerous, it's a relatively small change from baking your bread, to baking others. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Yepthatsme@kbin.social 7 points 3 years ago This is why being baked while baking with a baker is dangerous. You get too baked and you might get baked by the baker for making bad cakes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Baking bread and stuff is easier. Have you seen hot fat people have gotten? No way I am getting an adult into my oven. permalink fedilink source parent [–] girlfreddy@mastodon.social 12 points 3 years ago (1 child) @ryathal @agressivelyPassive Have suicidal ideation is in no way, shape or form the same as being the perpetrator of a murder-suicide. Neither is being suicidal a lead-in to becoming a murderer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -10 points 3 years ago Driving a car at 100mph into a building is more than ideation. That's attempted suicide. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 11 points 3 years ago (1 child) What a ridiculous take. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -18 points 3 years ago (1 child) As such, it is clear that suicides tend to have high levels of aggressive–destructive impulsive behaviours, generally referred to as impulsive–aggressive behaviours. These have been operationally defined in suicide studies as a tendency to react with animosity or overt hostility without consideration to possible consequences, when piqued or under stress. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1277022/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 16 points 3 years ago* Did you read anything else in that paper...? The words around that statement? Even the abstract? Or did you google what you wanted to see and post the result, because that paper is not about people harming others whilst attempting suicide. It is barely tangentially about that. (it's about the impact of aggressive-impulsive tendencies on the suicide...r themselves) permalink fedilink source parent [–] quicksand@lemm.ee 9 points 3 years ago (1 child) No there may be a small chance of collateral damage, such as this case. But suicidal thinking does not make you think of killing others. You're clearly lucky enough to have never had suicidal ideation, but it never comes near the kind of thoughts that want to kill others permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -15 points 3 years ago (1 child) It changes when it comes to acting. If you have the gun to your head, shooting someone telling you to stop is also highly likely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RedAggroBest@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago Let's see some stats on that one because being an abusive murder is a lot different than suicidality. There is no correlation between her wanting to kill people and her potential suicidality. They just coincidentally line up in this case. permalink fedilink source parent [–] posedexposed@lemmynsfw.com 8 points 3 years ago If you feel that way, you might be the dangerous one permalink fedilink source parent [–] khalic@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago Now this is just plain stupidity permalink fedilink source parent [–] Case@unilem.org 2 points 3 years ago I have a relative who was recently given a DUI. They went to the store, sober, and bought a handle of vodka (1.75 liters) consumed the vast majority, and drove around. He wanted to die in a head on collision. Selfish fuck. I don't have a problem with people having the freedom to decide enough is enough, but don't harm others in the process, at least more so than the death would cause. Especially innocent unrelated people. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MyTurtleSwimsUpsideDown@kbin.social 74 points 3 years ago* (1 child) When you include an unconsenting person in the attempt, it is also murder. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 years ago (2 children) Not a lawyer, but even if they consent isn't it murder? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 8 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) You can't consent to murder, the best you could do is indemnify someone/an organisation against accidental death. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CaptainEffort@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 years ago (2 children) You can't consent to murder Genuine question - why not? If someone wants to be murdered, for whatever reason, would that not be them consenting? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] jarfil@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago You could try to argue some suicide/euthanasia case, but "murder" by definition is intentional death without the consent of the victim. permalink fedilink source parent [+] stappern@lemmy.one 0 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Fuck_u_spez_@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago* There are cases of mutual murderer/suicide pacts where there's shared responsibility and actions taken by each party but that wouldn't have been possible when she was the only one in control of the car. Even if the boyfriend was suicidal, and there's no reason to think he was from this article, the other passenger clearly wasn't. IANAL either but I think that's what the above comment was trying to get at. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 years ago (2 children) Not a lawyer, but even if they consent isn't it murder? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 8 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) You can't consent to murder, the best you could do is indemnify someone/an organisation against accidental death. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CaptainEffort@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 years ago (2 children) You can't consent to murder Genuine question - why not? If someone wants to be murdered, for whatever reason, would that not be them consenting? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] jarfil@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago You could try to argue some suicide/euthanasia case, but "murder" by definition is intentional death without the consent of the victim. permalink fedilink source parent [+] stappern@lemmy.one 0 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Fuck_u_spez_@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago* There are cases of mutual murderer/suicide pacts where there's shared responsibility and actions taken by each party but that wouldn't have been possible when she was the only one in control of the car. Even if the boyfriend was suicidal, and there's no reason to think he was from this article, the other passenger clearly wasn't. IANAL either but I think that's what the above comment was trying to get at. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 8 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) You can't consent to murder, the best you could do is indemnify someone/an organisation against accidental death. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CaptainEffort@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 years ago (2 children) You can't consent to murder Genuine question - why not? If someone wants to be murdered, for whatever reason, would that not be them consenting? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] jarfil@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago You could try to argue some suicide/euthanasia case, but "murder" by definition is intentional death without the consent of the victim. permalink fedilink source parent [+] stappern@lemmy.one 0 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CaptainEffort@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 years ago (2 children) You can't consent to murder Genuine question - why not? If someone wants to be murdered, for whatever reason, would that not be them consenting? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] jarfil@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago You could try to argue some suicide/euthanasia case, but "murder" by definition is intentional death without the consent of the victim. permalink fedilink source parent [+] stappern@lemmy.one 0 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jarfil@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago You could try to argue some suicide/euthanasia case, but "murder" by definition is intentional death without the consent of the victim. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] stappern@lemmy.one 0 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fuck_u_spez_@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago* There are cases of mutual murderer/suicide pacts where there's shared responsibility and actions taken by each party but that wouldn't have been possible when she was the only one in control of the car. Even if the boyfriend was suicidal, and there's no reason to think he was from this article, the other passenger clearly wasn't. IANAL either but I think that's what the above comment was trying to get at. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JoBo@feddit.uk 41 points 3 years ago (1 child) It sounds much more like an abusive relationship. She was trying to punish him, regardless of the risk to herself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Hazdaz@lemmy.world -46 points 3 years ago (1 child) ...no, no, no... only WOMEN can be in abusive relationships. At least that is the utter bullshit you would believe if you listened to the feminist/white knight rhetoric out there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Halosheep@lemm.ee 20 points 3 years ago (1 child) This would have been better if you left it untyped. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Hazdaz@lemmy.world -22 points 3 years ago (1 child) Clearly you don't want to hear the truth of the general bias of the internet and society as a whole. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jackalope@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) A good feminist supports male victims. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hazdaz@lemmy.world -5 points 3 years ago We don't have good feminists. The ones we have left don't want equality, they want favoritism. There is a massive difference between the two. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Hazdaz@lemmy.world -46 points 3 years ago (1 child) ...no, no, no... only WOMEN can be in abusive relationships. At least that is the utter bullshit you would believe if you listened to the feminist/white knight rhetoric out there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Halosheep@lemm.ee 20 points 3 years ago (1 child) This would have been better if you left it untyped. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Hazdaz@lemmy.world -22 points 3 years ago (1 child) Clearly you don't want to hear the truth of the general bias of the internet and society as a whole. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jackalope@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) A good feminist supports male victims. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hazdaz@lemmy.world -5 points 3 years ago We don't have good feminists. The ones we have left don't want equality, they want favoritism. There is a massive difference between the two. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Halosheep@lemm.ee 20 points 3 years ago (1 child) This would have been better if you left it untyped. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Hazdaz@lemmy.world -22 points 3 years ago (1 child) Clearly you don't want to hear the truth of the general bias of the internet and society as a whole. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jackalope@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) A good feminist supports male victims. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hazdaz@lemmy.world -5 points 3 years ago We don't have good feminists. The ones we have left don't want equality, they want favoritism. There is a massive difference between the two. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Hazdaz@lemmy.world -22 points 3 years ago (1 child) Clearly you don't want to hear the truth of the general bias of the internet and society as a whole. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jackalope@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) A good feminist supports male victims. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hazdaz@lemmy.world -5 points 3 years ago We don't have good feminists. The ones we have left don't want equality, they want favoritism. There is a massive difference between the two. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jackalope@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) A good feminist supports male victims. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hazdaz@lemmy.world -5 points 3 years ago We don't have good feminists. The ones we have left don't want equality, they want favoritism. There is a massive difference between the two. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Hazdaz@lemmy.world -5 points 3 years ago We don't have good feminists. The ones we have left don't want equality, they want favoritism. There is a massive difference between the two. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 25 points 3 years ago If you attempt to kill yourself and take other people with you, it's commonly called murder/suicide. Killing people with intent is usually murder. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] elbarto777@lemmy.world 23 points 3 years ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] agressivelyPassive@feddit.de -20 points 3 years ago (1 child) That's not exactly what has happened here and derailing it using emotional hyperbole won't help either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JoBo@feddit.uk 25 points 3 years ago Honestly, it's very very similar. AFAICT she was trying to punish him. It has all the hallmarks of an abusive relationship. And an all too common outcome. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] agressivelyPassive@feddit.de -20 points 3 years ago (1 child) That's not exactly what has happened here and derailing it using emotional hyperbole won't help either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JoBo@feddit.uk 25 points 3 years ago Honestly, it's very very similar. AFAICT she was trying to punish him. It has all the hallmarks of an abusive relationship. And an all too common outcome. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JoBo@feddit.uk 25 points 3 years ago Honestly, it's very very similar. AFAICT she was trying to punish him. It has all the hallmarks of an abusive relationship. And an all too common outcome. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] OceanSoap@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 years ago If you're trying to kill others along with you, it's not just suicide, it's also murder. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -30 points 3 years ago (7 children) This is why suicidal people are dangerous, it's a relatively small change from killing yourself, to killing others. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] zaph@sh.itjust.works 26 points 3 years ago (2 children) This is why pastry chefs are dangerous, it's a relatively small change from baking your bread, to baking others. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Yepthatsme@kbin.social 7 points 3 years ago This is why being baked while baking with a baker is dangerous. You get too baked and you might get baked by the baker for making bad cakes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Baking bread and stuff is easier. Have you seen hot fat people have gotten? No way I am getting an adult into my oven. permalink fedilink source parent [–] girlfreddy@mastodon.social 12 points 3 years ago (1 child) @ryathal @agressivelyPassive Have suicidal ideation is in no way, shape or form the same as being the perpetrator of a murder-suicide. Neither is being suicidal a lead-in to becoming a murderer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -10 points 3 years ago Driving a car at 100mph into a building is more than ideation. That's attempted suicide. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 11 points 3 years ago (1 child) What a ridiculous take. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -18 points 3 years ago (1 child) As such, it is clear that suicides tend to have high levels of aggressive–destructive impulsive behaviours, generally referred to as impulsive–aggressive behaviours. These have been operationally defined in suicide studies as a tendency to react with animosity or overt hostility without consideration to possible consequences, when piqued or under stress. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1277022/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 16 points 3 years ago* Did you read anything else in that paper...? The words around that statement? Even the abstract? Or did you google what you wanted to see and post the result, because that paper is not about people harming others whilst attempting suicide. It is barely tangentially about that. (it's about the impact of aggressive-impulsive tendencies on the suicide...r themselves) permalink fedilink source parent [–] quicksand@lemm.ee 9 points 3 years ago (1 child) No there may be a small chance of collateral damage, such as this case. But suicidal thinking does not make you think of killing others. You're clearly lucky enough to have never had suicidal ideation, but it never comes near the kind of thoughts that want to kill others permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -15 points 3 years ago (1 child) It changes when it comes to acting. If you have the gun to your head, shooting someone telling you to stop is also highly likely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RedAggroBest@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago Let's see some stats on that one because being an abusive murder is a lot different than suicidality. There is no correlation between her wanting to kill people and her potential suicidality. They just coincidentally line up in this case. permalink fedilink source parent [–] posedexposed@lemmynsfw.com 8 points 3 years ago If you feel that way, you might be the dangerous one permalink fedilink source parent [–] khalic@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago Now this is just plain stupidity permalink fedilink source parent [–] Case@unilem.org 2 points 3 years ago I have a relative who was recently given a DUI. They went to the store, sober, and bought a handle of vodka (1.75 liters) consumed the vast majority, and drove around. He wanted to die in a head on collision. Selfish fuck. I don't have a problem with people having the freedom to decide enough is enough, but don't harm others in the process, at least more so than the death would cause. Especially innocent unrelated people. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zaph@sh.itjust.works 26 points 3 years ago (2 children) This is why pastry chefs are dangerous, it's a relatively small change from baking your bread, to baking others. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Yepthatsme@kbin.social 7 points 3 years ago This is why being baked while baking with a baker is dangerous. You get too baked and you might get baked by the baker for making bad cakes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Baking bread and stuff is easier. Have you seen hot fat people have gotten? No way I am getting an adult into my oven. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Yepthatsme@kbin.social 7 points 3 years ago This is why being baked while baking with a baker is dangerous. You get too baked and you might get baked by the baker for making bad cakes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Baking bread and stuff is easier. Have you seen hot fat people have gotten? No way I am getting an adult into my oven. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] girlfreddy@mastodon.social 12 points 3 years ago (1 child) @ryathal @agressivelyPassive Have suicidal ideation is in no way, shape or form the same as being the perpetrator of a murder-suicide. Neither is being suicidal a lead-in to becoming a murderer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -10 points 3 years ago Driving a car at 100mph into a building is more than ideation. That's attempted suicide. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -10 points 3 years ago Driving a car at 100mph into a building is more than ideation. That's attempted suicide. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 11 points 3 years ago (1 child) What a ridiculous take. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -18 points 3 years ago (1 child) As such, it is clear that suicides tend to have high levels of aggressive–destructive impulsive behaviours, generally referred to as impulsive–aggressive behaviours. These have been operationally defined in suicide studies as a tendency to react with animosity or overt hostility without consideration to possible consequences, when piqued or under stress. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1277022/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 16 points 3 years ago* Did you read anything else in that paper...? The words around that statement? Even the abstract? Or did you google what you wanted to see and post the result, because that paper is not about people harming others whilst attempting suicide. It is barely tangentially about that. (it's about the impact of aggressive-impulsive tendencies on the suicide...r themselves) permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -18 points 3 years ago (1 child) As such, it is clear that suicides tend to have high levels of aggressive–destructive impulsive behaviours, generally referred to as impulsive–aggressive behaviours. These have been operationally defined in suicide studies as a tendency to react with animosity or overt hostility without consideration to possible consequences, when piqued or under stress. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1277022/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 16 points 3 years ago* Did you read anything else in that paper...? The words around that statement? Even the abstract? Or did you google what you wanted to see and post the result, because that paper is not about people harming others whilst attempting suicide. It is barely tangentially about that. (it's about the impact of aggressive-impulsive tendencies on the suicide...r themselves) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 16 points 3 years ago* Did you read anything else in that paper...? The words around that statement? Even the abstract? Or did you google what you wanted to see and post the result, because that paper is not about people harming others whilst attempting suicide. It is barely tangentially about that. (it's about the impact of aggressive-impulsive tendencies on the suicide...r themselves) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] quicksand@lemm.ee 9 points 3 years ago (1 child) No there may be a small chance of collateral damage, such as this case. But suicidal thinking does not make you think of killing others. You're clearly lucky enough to have never had suicidal ideation, but it never comes near the kind of thoughts that want to kill others permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -15 points 3 years ago (1 child) It changes when it comes to acting. If you have the gun to your head, shooting someone telling you to stop is also highly likely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RedAggroBest@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago Let's see some stats on that one because being an abusive murder is a lot different than suicidality. There is no correlation between her wanting to kill people and her potential suicidality. They just coincidentally line up in this case. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -15 points 3 years ago (1 child) It changes when it comes to acting. If you have the gun to your head, shooting someone telling you to stop is also highly likely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RedAggroBest@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago Let's see some stats on that one because being an abusive murder is a lot different than suicidality. There is no correlation between her wanting to kill people and her potential suicidality. They just coincidentally line up in this case. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RedAggroBest@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago Let's see some stats on that one because being an abusive murder is a lot different than suicidality. There is no correlation between her wanting to kill people and her potential suicidality. They just coincidentally line up in this case. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] posedexposed@lemmynsfw.com 8 points 3 years ago If you feel that way, you might be the dangerous one permalink fedilink source parent
[–] khalic@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago Now this is just plain stupidity permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Case@unilem.org 2 points 3 years ago I have a relative who was recently given a DUI. They went to the store, sober, and bought a handle of vodka (1.75 liters) consumed the vast majority, and drove around. He wanted to die in a head on collision. Selfish fuck. I don't have a problem with people having the freedom to decide enough is enough, but don't harm others in the process, at least more so than the death would cause. Especially innocent unrelated people. permalink fedilink source parent