▲ 514 ▼ 'Hell on wheels': Teen convicted of crashing car at 100 mph, killing boyfriend and friend (www.nbcnews.com) submitted 3 years ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world 175 comments fedilink hide all child comments “This was not reckless driving. This was murder,” the judge said before she read out Mackenzie Shirilla's verdict Monday afternoon.
[+] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -30 points 3 years ago (7 children) This is why suicidal people are dangerous, it's a relatively small change from killing yourself, to killing others. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] zaph@sh.itjust.works 26 points 3 years ago (2 children) This is why pastry chefs are dangerous, it's a relatively small change from baking your bread, to baking others. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Yepthatsme@kbin.social 7 points 3 years ago This is why being baked while baking with a baker is dangerous. You get too baked and you might get baked by the baker for making bad cakes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Baking bread and stuff is easier. Have you seen hot fat people have gotten? No way I am getting an adult into my oven. permalink fedilink source parent [–] girlfreddy@mastodon.social 12 points 3 years ago (1 child) @ryathal @agressivelyPassive Have suicidal ideation is in no way, shape or form the same as being the perpetrator of a murder-suicide. Neither is being suicidal a lead-in to becoming a murderer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -10 points 3 years ago Driving a car at 100mph into a building is more than ideation. That's attempted suicide. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 11 points 3 years ago (1 child) What a ridiculous take. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -18 points 3 years ago (1 child) As such, it is clear that suicides tend to have high levels of aggressive–destructive impulsive behaviours, generally referred to as impulsive–aggressive behaviours. These have been operationally defined in suicide studies as a tendency to react with animosity or overt hostility without consideration to possible consequences, when piqued or under stress. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1277022/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 16 points 3 years ago* Did you read anything else in that paper...? The words around that statement? Even the abstract? Or did you google what you wanted to see and post the result, because that paper is not about people harming others whilst attempting suicide. It is barely tangentially about that. (it's about the impact of aggressive-impulsive tendencies on the suicide...r themselves) permalink fedilink source parent [–] quicksand@lemm.ee 9 points 3 years ago (1 child) No there may be a small chance of collateral damage, such as this case. But suicidal thinking does not make you think of killing others. You're clearly lucky enough to have never had suicidal ideation, but it never comes near the kind of thoughts that want to kill others permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -15 points 3 years ago (1 child) It changes when it comes to acting. If you have the gun to your head, shooting someone telling you to stop is also highly likely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RedAggroBest@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago Let's see some stats on that one because being an abusive murder is a lot different than suicidality. There is no correlation between her wanting to kill people and her potential suicidality. They just coincidentally line up in this case. permalink fedilink source parent [–] posedexposed@lemmynsfw.com 8 points 3 years ago If you feel that way, you might be the dangerous one permalink fedilink source parent [–] khalic@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago Now this is just plain stupidity permalink fedilink source parent [–] Case@unilem.org 2 points 3 years ago I have a relative who was recently given a DUI. They went to the store, sober, and bought a handle of vodka (1.75 liters) consumed the vast majority, and drove around. He wanted to die in a head on collision. Selfish fuck. I don't have a problem with people having the freedom to decide enough is enough, but don't harm others in the process, at least more so than the death would cause. Especially innocent unrelated people. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zaph@sh.itjust.works 26 points 3 years ago (2 children) This is why pastry chefs are dangerous, it's a relatively small change from baking your bread, to baking others. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Yepthatsme@kbin.social 7 points 3 years ago This is why being baked while baking with a baker is dangerous. You get too baked and you might get baked by the baker for making bad cakes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Baking bread and stuff is easier. Have you seen hot fat people have gotten? No way I am getting an adult into my oven. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Yepthatsme@kbin.social 7 points 3 years ago This is why being baked while baking with a baker is dangerous. You get too baked and you might get baked by the baker for making bad cakes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Baking bread and stuff is easier. Have you seen hot fat people have gotten? No way I am getting an adult into my oven. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] girlfreddy@mastodon.social 12 points 3 years ago (1 child) @ryathal @agressivelyPassive Have suicidal ideation is in no way, shape or form the same as being the perpetrator of a murder-suicide. Neither is being suicidal a lead-in to becoming a murderer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -10 points 3 years ago Driving a car at 100mph into a building is more than ideation. That's attempted suicide. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -10 points 3 years ago Driving a car at 100mph into a building is more than ideation. That's attempted suicide. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 11 points 3 years ago (1 child) What a ridiculous take. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -18 points 3 years ago (1 child) As such, it is clear that suicides tend to have high levels of aggressive–destructive impulsive behaviours, generally referred to as impulsive–aggressive behaviours. These have been operationally defined in suicide studies as a tendency to react with animosity or overt hostility without consideration to possible consequences, when piqued or under stress. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1277022/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 16 points 3 years ago* Did you read anything else in that paper...? The words around that statement? Even the abstract? Or did you google what you wanted to see and post the result, because that paper is not about people harming others whilst attempting suicide. It is barely tangentially about that. (it's about the impact of aggressive-impulsive tendencies on the suicide...r themselves) permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -18 points 3 years ago (1 child) As such, it is clear that suicides tend to have high levels of aggressive–destructive impulsive behaviours, generally referred to as impulsive–aggressive behaviours. These have been operationally defined in suicide studies as a tendency to react with animosity or overt hostility without consideration to possible consequences, when piqued or under stress. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1277022/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 16 points 3 years ago* Did you read anything else in that paper...? The words around that statement? Even the abstract? Or did you google what you wanted to see and post the result, because that paper is not about people harming others whilst attempting suicide. It is barely tangentially about that. (it's about the impact of aggressive-impulsive tendencies on the suicide...r themselves) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 16 points 3 years ago* Did you read anything else in that paper...? The words around that statement? Even the abstract? Or did you google what you wanted to see and post the result, because that paper is not about people harming others whilst attempting suicide. It is barely tangentially about that. (it's about the impact of aggressive-impulsive tendencies on the suicide...r themselves) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] quicksand@lemm.ee 9 points 3 years ago (1 child) No there may be a small chance of collateral damage, such as this case. But suicidal thinking does not make you think of killing others. You're clearly lucky enough to have never had suicidal ideation, but it never comes near the kind of thoughts that want to kill others permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -15 points 3 years ago (1 child) It changes when it comes to acting. If you have the gun to your head, shooting someone telling you to stop is also highly likely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RedAggroBest@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago Let's see some stats on that one because being an abusive murder is a lot different than suicidality. There is no correlation between her wanting to kill people and her potential suicidality. They just coincidentally line up in this case. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -15 points 3 years ago (1 child) It changes when it comes to acting. If you have the gun to your head, shooting someone telling you to stop is also highly likely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RedAggroBest@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago Let's see some stats on that one because being an abusive murder is a lot different than suicidality. There is no correlation between her wanting to kill people and her potential suicidality. They just coincidentally line up in this case. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RedAggroBest@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago Let's see some stats on that one because being an abusive murder is a lot different than suicidality. There is no correlation between her wanting to kill people and her potential suicidality. They just coincidentally line up in this case. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] posedexposed@lemmynsfw.com 8 points 3 years ago If you feel that way, you might be the dangerous one permalink fedilink source parent
[–] khalic@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago Now this is just plain stupidity permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Case@unilem.org 2 points 3 years ago I have a relative who was recently given a DUI. They went to the store, sober, and bought a handle of vodka (1.75 liters) consumed the vast majority, and drove around. He wanted to die in a head on collision. Selfish fuck. I don't have a problem with people having the freedom to decide enough is enough, but don't harm others in the process, at least more so than the death would cause. Especially innocent unrelated people. permalink fedilink source parent