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[β] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 146 points 2 years ago (2 children) If it doesn't survive the machines, it doesn't belong in my house Message sponsored by the dishwasher/washing machine/dryer gang permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 40 points 2 years ago (1 child) Same with toddler toys: "It can go in the dishwasher, the washing machine, or the garbage". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago (2 children) for real tho, this is advice I wish I had about one week into having a newborn. Absolutely terrified during his first blowout. "Put it allin the washing machine with baby-sensitive detergent" It was about an hour of fear that I just got liquid poo mixed in everything. Goddamn, did that ever make me respect the washing machine. Detergent, water, and spinning. Cat barfs on blanket? Washing machine. Kid barfs on everyone's clothes during his first real illness? Washing machine. Unknown Substance #1143 that smells worse than it looks? Washing machine. Don't even need to use anything other than cold water. No colors or shrinking to worry about that way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 years ago I remember those days, having to remind myself that the relief of "whew, it's just urine" is not okay. permalink fedilink source parent [β] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) I tried the reddit advice of cold water and sadly it definitely left stains that would've been cleaned otherwise permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] silentknyght@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Try these tips: https://www.npr.org/transcripts/1197225554#:~:text=Wash%20your%20clothes%20in%20warm,Use%20your%20washer's%20express%20cycle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 1 point 2 years ago This is excellent permalink fedilink source parent [β] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 13 points 2 years ago (3 children) Hang drying and you don't need to iron. (And clothes hold longer and needs a few kW/h less power). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] LazaroFilm@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (4 children) You just need full acre of basement for that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [β] Vegasimov@reddthat.com 21 points 2 years ago (3 children) What? This is how most people in European cities dry their clothes and I guarantee they all have smaller houses than in American cities Just needs a clotheshorse which is like the size of a table permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Wait, they're called clotheshorses? I just called them drying racks permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Vegasimov@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago I'd go with clothes horse or maiden, to me a drying rack is for dishes permalink fedilink source parent [β] oce@jlai.lu 5 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [β] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 1 point 2 years ago I hang mine on four door-mounted clothehangers, it takes up less space permalink fedilink source parent [β] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 10 points 2 years ago* 2mΒ² and only temporary. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago And infinity time. We were traveling in the UK and stayed with some family and we needed to do laundry pretty bad and they had a washer dryer combo machine. Obviously it was still wet afterwards, and we hung it to finish drying. And left two days later with damp clothes. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago* I have 3 kids and do the laundry on Wednesday and Sunday, about 3-4 loads each time. Everything gets hang-dried except towels, socks, pyjama-pants, and men's undies, which go in one big late-night load in the dryer when the juice is cheap. It takes 2 small clothes horses in my laundry room. Not a huge basement. Only time I'm doing lots of drying is when I'm washing sheets, which is probably less often than I should. permalink fedilink source parent [β] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) Unless it's raining all week. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Hang inside. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago And now I have basement mold. permalink fedilink source parent [β] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You guys still get rain? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah, usually when we try to dry clothes. The other thing we have are storms that can spread your clothes to all of your neighbor's houses. permalink fedilink source parent [β] cm0002@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Nobody has time for that lmao, it takes what 10-20 minutes to hang up a full load? When I can just toss everything from the washer into the dryer and hit Start in <1 minute? Lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah but ironing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] cm0002@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Screw ironing, I don't even own an iron and I never will permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I feel like this sounds great until we see a picture of one of your shirts permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] cm0002@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I don't think it really matters if your shirt is wrinkled*. I used to work a suit and tie job in a past life, while the suit part would get regularly dry cleaned, the inner button down shirt and slacks would get washed and dried with the rest of the laundry and never ironed. Nobody ever said, emailed, sticky noted a damn thing that affected my career or social work-life sooo Β―_(γ)_/Β― *Except the following groups: Politicians, Celebrities, Rich people, Executives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean some people like clothes I like to look sharp and dress nicely, not to advance a career, if I do it at work it's really just for my colleagues and for the hell of rocking something with style. Outside of work too I feel like creased clothed would nullify any fashion reaches whether it's nice shoes, a peculiar and unique shirt or a cool blouse; put on a creased shirt and it makes or break the line between "a bold choice" to "ah, that man dressed like he doesn't know what he's doing" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] cm0002@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I feel like that's a bit different, if it's something you enjoy that's great! What I was more against was when people make ironing out to be some requirement of life, another chore that needs to be done just like the dishes or laundry itself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 3 points 2 years ago Oh yeah that's lame permalink fedilink source parent [+] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] cm0002@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're just reusing the same argument as the anti-dishwasher people Nothing to do with laziness and everything to do with having higher priorities that could use that 10-20 minutes on top of just plain efficiency gains permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Dishwashers are actually greener than hand-washing. Do I have to link the TechnologyConnections video? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] cm0002@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) You misunderstood, I'm definitely pro-dishwasher and have seen both of TC's dishwasher videos. "You're just being lazy" is a common argument anti-dishwashers bring up along with the (Incorrect) "It's faster to hand wash" However, that being said, being greener isn't why I'm pro-dishwasher. It's because it saves time I can use for anything else It's a waste of time to hang dry, it's a 5-10x increase over just shoving them in the dryer, hitting start and going off to do whatever. It's simply inefficient to spend time hanging clothes to dry. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, but in this case there are actual measurable benefits to hang-drying besides financial cost. Unlike the dishwasher, hang drying is measurably greener. And also it tends to prolong the life of your clothes. This is a case where "being lazy" has a real trade-off, like fixing yourself a meal from proper ingredients vs nuking a TV dinner. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] cm0002@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) hang drying is measurably greener. Probably, but not enough to really matter at the end of the day when the vast majority of pollution is by the hands of corporations not not the general public. If every single one of us "regular folk" lived perfectly green lives, it would barely nudge the needle. That's just the sad reality we have to deal with. That's not to say you should go out and do the opposite just because it doesn't matter, just that it's not a slam dunk argument by any means. And also it tends to prolong the life of your clothes. I briefly researched this to try to come up with some studies on this. There aren't any with Hang Dry vs Dryer, although I did find one that concluded that cold and fast washing increased longevity. The real culprit for longevity is cheap shit vs quality, the vast majority of clothing for my family is tshirts, hoodies and jeans with a scattering of "specialized" clothing (Slacks, lingerie, delicates, dress clothing etc.) And I can say that cheap and/or fast fashion crap are the only things I've ever seen that actually have a significant shortened life when going through the wash/dry cycle. And usually within weeks. Quality jeans and cotton tshirts I've got have been going on 5+ years just fine. I don't even buy clothes for replacement that often, mostly just because it looks nice and caught my eye or something. Hell, I'm wearing a hoodie rn that's going on 10 years and it's never known a single day on the line and it's going strong. Maybe it's a little more faded than when it was new, but it's been so long I can't even remember. And then it's also incredibly subjective to each person, where's the line of what's "unwearable" is it the second elastic starts being a little deformed or can you go a bit longer? Is it when tiny holes start showing up or is it not until it's obviously torn and tattered? AFAIC any piece of clothing that lasts more than 4 or 5 years is on bonus time, after that point I've gotten my value out of it so sacrificing upwards of 20 minutes every load to maybe get another 1 or 2 out of it is an utter waste (and even that is debatable, what studies I did find on longevity pointed to quality of manufacturing (aka stop buying the cheap shit) and washing on cold) ETA: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0143720819320431 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0959652622010186 permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 40 points 2 years ago (1 child) Same with toddler toys: "It can go in the dishwasher, the washing machine, or the garbage". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago (2 children) for real tho, this is advice I wish I had about one week into having a newborn. Absolutely terrified during his first blowout. "Put it allin the washing machine with baby-sensitive detergent" It was about an hour of fear that I just got liquid poo mixed in everything. Goddamn, did that ever make me respect the washing machine. Detergent, water, and spinning. Cat barfs on blanket? Washing machine. Kid barfs on everyone's clothes during his first real illness? Washing machine. Unknown Substance #1143 that smells worse than it looks? Washing machine. Don't even need to use anything other than cold water. No colors or shrinking to worry about that way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 years ago I remember those days, having to remind myself that the relief of "whew, it's just urine" is not okay. permalink fedilink source parent [β] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) I tried the reddit advice of cold water and sadly it definitely left stains that would've been cleaned otherwise permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] silentknyght@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Try these tips: https://www.npr.org/transcripts/1197225554#:~:text=Wash%20your%20clothes%20in%20warm,Use%20your%20washer's%20express%20cycle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 1 point 2 years ago This is excellent permalink fedilink source parent
[β] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago (2 children) for real tho, this is advice I wish I had about one week into having a newborn. Absolutely terrified during his first blowout. "Put it allin the washing machine with baby-sensitive detergent" It was about an hour of fear that I just got liquid poo mixed in everything. Goddamn, did that ever make me respect the washing machine. Detergent, water, and spinning. Cat barfs on blanket? Washing machine. Kid barfs on everyone's clothes during his first real illness? Washing machine. Unknown Substance #1143 that smells worse than it looks? Washing machine. Don't even need to use anything other than cold water. No colors or shrinking to worry about that way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 years ago I remember those days, having to remind myself that the relief of "whew, it's just urine" is not okay. permalink fedilink source parent [β] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) I tried the reddit advice of cold water and sadly it definitely left stains that would've been cleaned otherwise permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] silentknyght@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Try these tips: https://www.npr.org/transcripts/1197225554#:~:text=Wash%20your%20clothes%20in%20warm,Use%20your%20washer's%20express%20cycle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 1 point 2 years ago This is excellent permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 years ago I remember those days, having to remind myself that the relief of "whew, it's just urine" is not okay. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) I tried the reddit advice of cold water and sadly it definitely left stains that would've been cleaned otherwise permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] silentknyght@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Try these tips: https://www.npr.org/transcripts/1197225554#:~:text=Wash%20your%20clothes%20in%20warm,Use%20your%20washer's%20express%20cycle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 1 point 2 years ago This is excellent permalink fedilink source parent
[β] silentknyght@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Try these tips: https://www.npr.org/transcripts/1197225554#:~:text=Wash%20your%20clothes%20in%20warm,Use%20your%20washer's%20express%20cycle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 1 point 2 years ago This is excellent permalink fedilink source parent
[β] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 1 point 2 years ago This is excellent permalink fedilink source parent
[β] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 13 points 2 years ago (3 children) Hang drying and you don't need to iron. (And clothes hold longer and needs a few kW/h less power). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] LazaroFilm@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (4 children) You just need full acre of basement for that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [β] Vegasimov@reddthat.com 21 points 2 years ago (3 children) What? This is how most people in European cities dry their clothes and I guarantee they all have smaller houses than in American cities Just needs a clotheshorse which is like the size of a table permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Wait, they're called clotheshorses? I just called them drying racks permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Vegasimov@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago I'd go with clothes horse or maiden, to me a drying rack is for dishes permalink fedilink source parent [β] oce@jlai.lu 5 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [β] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 1 point 2 years ago I hang mine on four door-mounted clothehangers, it takes up less space permalink fedilink source parent [β] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 10 points 2 years ago* 2mΒ² and only temporary. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago And infinity time. We were traveling in the UK and stayed with some family and we needed to do laundry pretty bad and they had a washer dryer combo machine. Obviously it was still wet afterwards, and we hung it to finish drying. And left two days later with damp clothes. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago* I have 3 kids and do the laundry on Wednesday and Sunday, about 3-4 loads each time. Everything gets hang-dried except towels, socks, pyjama-pants, and men's undies, which go in one big late-night load in the dryer when the juice is cheap. It takes 2 small clothes horses in my laundry room. Not a huge basement. Only time I'm doing lots of drying is when I'm washing sheets, which is probably less often than I should. permalink fedilink source parent [β] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) Unless it's raining all week. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Hang inside. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago And now I have basement mold. permalink fedilink source parent [β] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You guys still get rain? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah, usually when we try to dry clothes. The other thing we have are storms that can spread your clothes to all of your neighbor's houses. permalink fedilink source parent [β] cm0002@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Nobody has time for that lmao, it takes what 10-20 minutes to hang up a full load? When I can just toss everything from the washer into the dryer and hit Start in <1 minute? Lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah but ironing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] cm0002@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Screw ironing, I don't even own an iron and I never will permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I feel like this sounds great until we see a picture of one of your shirts permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] cm0002@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I don't think it really matters if your shirt is wrinkled*. I used to work a suit and tie job in a past life, while the suit part would get regularly dry cleaned, the inner button down shirt and slacks would get washed and dried with the rest of the laundry and never ironed. Nobody ever said, emailed, sticky noted a damn thing that affected my career or social work-life sooo Β―_(γ)_/Β― *Except the following groups: Politicians, Celebrities, Rich people, Executives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean some people like clothes I like to look sharp and dress nicely, not to advance a career, if I do it at work it's really just for my colleagues and for the hell of rocking something with style. Outside of work too I feel like creased clothed would nullify any fashion reaches whether it's nice shoes, a peculiar and unique shirt or a cool blouse; put on a creased shirt and it makes or break the line between "a bold choice" to "ah, that man dressed like he doesn't know what he's doing" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] cm0002@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I feel like that's a bit different, if it's something you enjoy that's great! What I was more against was when people make ironing out to be some requirement of life, another chore that needs to be done just like the dishes or laundry itself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 3 points 2 years ago Oh yeah that's lame permalink fedilink source parent [+] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] cm0002@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're just reusing the same argument as the anti-dishwasher people Nothing to do with laziness and everything to do with having higher priorities that could use that 10-20 minutes on top of just plain efficiency gains permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Dishwashers are actually greener than hand-washing. Do I have to link the TechnologyConnections video? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] cm0002@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) You misunderstood, I'm definitely pro-dishwasher and have seen both of TC's dishwasher videos. "You're just being lazy" is a common argument anti-dishwashers bring up along with the (Incorrect) "It's faster to hand wash" However, that being said, being greener isn't why I'm pro-dishwasher. It's because it saves time I can use for anything else It's a waste of time to hang dry, it's a 5-10x increase over just shoving them in the dryer, hitting start and going off to do whatever. It's simply inefficient to spend time hanging clothes to dry. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, but in this case there are actual measurable benefits to hang-drying besides financial cost. Unlike the dishwasher, hang drying is measurably greener. And also it tends to prolong the life of your clothes. This is a case where "being lazy" has a real trade-off, like fixing yourself a meal from proper ingredients vs nuking a TV dinner. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] cm0002@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) hang drying is measurably greener. Probably, but not enough to really matter at the end of the day when the vast majority of pollution is by the hands of corporations not not the general public. If every single one of us "regular folk" lived perfectly green lives, it would barely nudge the needle. That's just the sad reality we have to deal with. That's not to say you should go out and do the opposite just because it doesn't matter, just that it's not a slam dunk argument by any means. And also it tends to prolong the life of your clothes. I briefly researched this to try to come up with some studies on this. There aren't any with Hang Dry vs Dryer, although I did find one that concluded that cold and fast washing increased longevity. The real culprit for longevity is cheap shit vs quality, the vast majority of clothing for my family is tshirts, hoodies and jeans with a scattering of "specialized" clothing (Slacks, lingerie, delicates, dress clothing etc.) And I can say that cheap and/or fast fashion crap are the only things I've ever seen that actually have a significant shortened life when going through the wash/dry cycle. And usually within weeks. Quality jeans and cotton tshirts I've got have been going on 5+ years just fine. I don't even buy clothes for replacement that often, mostly just because it looks nice and caught my eye or something. Hell, I'm wearing a hoodie rn that's going on 10 years and it's never known a single day on the line and it's going strong. Maybe it's a little more faded than when it was new, but it's been so long I can't even remember. And then it's also incredibly subjective to each person, where's the line of what's "unwearable" is it the second elastic starts being a little deformed or can you go a bit longer? Is it when tiny holes start showing up or is it not until it's obviously torn and tattered? AFAIC any piece of clothing that lasts more than 4 or 5 years is on bonus time, after that point I've gotten my value out of it so sacrificing upwards of 20 minutes every load to maybe get another 1 or 2 out of it is an utter waste (and even that is debatable, what studies I did find on longevity pointed to quality of manufacturing (aka stop buying the cheap shit) and washing on cold) ETA: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0143720819320431 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0959652622010186 permalink fedilink source parent
[β] LazaroFilm@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (4 children) You just need full acre of basement for that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [β] Vegasimov@reddthat.com 21 points 2 years ago (3 children) What? This is how most people in European cities dry their clothes and I guarantee they all have smaller houses than in American cities Just needs a clotheshorse which is like the size of a table permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Wait, they're called clotheshorses? I just called them drying racks permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Vegasimov@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago I'd go with clothes horse or maiden, to me a drying rack is for dishes permalink fedilink source parent [β] oce@jlai.lu 5 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [β] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 1 point 2 years ago I hang mine on four door-mounted clothehangers, it takes up less space permalink fedilink source parent [β] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 10 points 2 years ago* 2mΒ² and only temporary. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago And infinity time. We were traveling in the UK and stayed with some family and we needed to do laundry pretty bad and they had a washer dryer combo machine. Obviously it was still wet afterwards, and we hung it to finish drying. And left two days later with damp clothes. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago* I have 3 kids and do the laundry on Wednesday and Sunday, about 3-4 loads each time. Everything gets hang-dried except towels, socks, pyjama-pants, and men's undies, which go in one big late-night load in the dryer when the juice is cheap. It takes 2 small clothes horses in my laundry room. Not a huge basement. Only time I'm doing lots of drying is when I'm washing sheets, which is probably less often than I should. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Vegasimov@reddthat.com 21 points 2 years ago (3 children) What? This is how most people in European cities dry their clothes and I guarantee they all have smaller houses than in American cities Just needs a clotheshorse which is like the size of a table permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Wait, they're called clotheshorses? I just called them drying racks permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Vegasimov@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago I'd go with clothes horse or maiden, to me a drying rack is for dishes permalink fedilink source parent [β] oce@jlai.lu 5 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [β] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 1 point 2 years ago I hang mine on four door-mounted clothehangers, it takes up less space permalink fedilink source parent
[β] KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Wait, they're called clotheshorses? I just called them drying racks permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Vegasimov@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago I'd go with clothes horse or maiden, to me a drying rack is for dishes permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Vegasimov@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago I'd go with clothes horse or maiden, to me a drying rack is for dishes permalink fedilink source parent
[β] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 1 point 2 years ago I hang mine on four door-mounted clothehangers, it takes up less space permalink fedilink source parent
[β] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 10 points 2 years ago* 2mΒ² and only temporary. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago And infinity time. We were traveling in the UK and stayed with some family and we needed to do laundry pretty bad and they had a washer dryer combo machine. Obviously it was still wet afterwards, and we hung it to finish drying. And left two days later with damp clothes. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago* I have 3 kids and do the laundry on Wednesday and Sunday, about 3-4 loads each time. Everything gets hang-dried except towels, socks, pyjama-pants, and men's undies, which go in one big late-night load in the dryer when the juice is cheap. It takes 2 small clothes horses in my laundry room. Not a huge basement. Only time I'm doing lots of drying is when I'm washing sheets, which is probably less often than I should. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) Unless it's raining all week. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Hang inside. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago And now I have basement mold. permalink fedilink source parent [β] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You guys still get rain? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah, usually when we try to dry clothes. The other thing we have are storms that can spread your clothes to all of your neighbor's houses. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Hang inside. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago And now I have basement mold. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago And now I have basement mold. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You guys still get rain? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah, usually when we try to dry clothes. The other thing we have are storms that can spread your clothes to all of your neighbor's houses. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah, usually when we try to dry clothes. The other thing we have are storms that can spread your clothes to all of your neighbor's houses. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] cm0002@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Nobody has time for that lmao, it takes what 10-20 minutes to hang up a full load? When I can just toss everything from the washer into the dryer and hit Start in <1 minute? Lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah but ironing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] cm0002@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Screw ironing, I don't even own an iron and I never will permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I feel like this sounds great until we see a picture of one of your shirts permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] cm0002@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I don't think it really matters if your shirt is wrinkled*. I used to work a suit and tie job in a past life, while the suit part would get regularly dry cleaned, the inner button down shirt and slacks would get washed and dried with the rest of the laundry and never ironed. Nobody ever said, emailed, sticky noted a damn thing that affected my career or social work-life sooo Β―_(γ)_/Β― *Except the following groups: Politicians, Celebrities, Rich people, Executives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean some people like clothes I like to look sharp and dress nicely, not to advance a career, if I do it at work it's really just for my colleagues and for the hell of rocking something with style. Outside of work too I feel like creased clothed would nullify any fashion reaches whether it's nice shoes, a peculiar and unique shirt or a cool blouse; put on a creased shirt and it makes or break the line between "a bold choice" to "ah, that man dressed like he doesn't know what he's doing" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] cm0002@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I feel like that's a bit different, if it's something you enjoy that's great! What I was more against was when people make ironing out to be some requirement of life, another chore that needs to be done just like the dishes or laundry itself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 3 points 2 years ago Oh yeah that's lame permalink fedilink source parent [+] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] cm0002@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're just reusing the same argument as the anti-dishwasher people Nothing to do with laziness and everything to do with having higher priorities that could use that 10-20 minutes on top of just plain efficiency gains permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Dishwashers are actually greener than hand-washing. Do I have to link the TechnologyConnections video? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] cm0002@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) You misunderstood, I'm definitely pro-dishwasher and have seen both of TC's dishwasher videos. "You're just being lazy" is a common argument anti-dishwashers bring up along with the (Incorrect) "It's faster to hand wash" However, that being said, being greener isn't why I'm pro-dishwasher. It's because it saves time I can use for anything else It's a waste of time to hang dry, it's a 5-10x increase over just shoving them in the dryer, hitting start and going off to do whatever. It's simply inefficient to spend time hanging clothes to dry. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, but in this case there are actual measurable benefits to hang-drying besides financial cost. Unlike the dishwasher, hang drying is measurably greener. And also it tends to prolong the life of your clothes. This is a case where "being lazy" has a real trade-off, like fixing yourself a meal from proper ingredients vs nuking a TV dinner. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] cm0002@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) hang drying is measurably greener. Probably, but not enough to really matter at the end of the day when the vast majority of pollution is by the hands of corporations not not the general public. If every single one of us "regular folk" lived perfectly green lives, it would barely nudge the needle. That's just the sad reality we have to deal with. That's not to say you should go out and do the opposite just because it doesn't matter, just that it's not a slam dunk argument by any means. And also it tends to prolong the life of your clothes. I briefly researched this to try to come up with some studies on this. There aren't any with Hang Dry vs Dryer, although I did find one that concluded that cold and fast washing increased longevity. The real culprit for longevity is cheap shit vs quality, the vast majority of clothing for my family is tshirts, hoodies and jeans with a scattering of "specialized" clothing (Slacks, lingerie, delicates, dress clothing etc.) And I can say that cheap and/or fast fashion crap are the only things I've ever seen that actually have a significant shortened life when going through the wash/dry cycle. And usually within weeks. Quality jeans and cotton tshirts I've got have been going on 5+ years just fine. I don't even buy clothes for replacement that often, mostly just because it looks nice and caught my eye or something. Hell, I'm wearing a hoodie rn that's going on 10 years and it's never known a single day on the line and it's going strong. Maybe it's a little more faded than when it was new, but it's been so long I can't even remember. And then it's also incredibly subjective to each person, where's the line of what's "unwearable" is it the second elastic starts being a little deformed or can you go a bit longer? Is it when tiny holes start showing up or is it not until it's obviously torn and tattered? AFAIC any piece of clothing that lasts more than 4 or 5 years is on bonus time, after that point I've gotten my value out of it so sacrificing upwards of 20 minutes every load to maybe get another 1 or 2 out of it is an utter waste (and even that is debatable, what studies I did find on longevity pointed to quality of manufacturing (aka stop buying the cheap shit) and washing on cold) ETA: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0143720819320431 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0959652622010186 permalink fedilink source parent
[β] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah but ironing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] cm0002@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Screw ironing, I don't even own an iron and I never will permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I feel like this sounds great until we see a picture of one of your shirts permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] cm0002@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I don't think it really matters if your shirt is wrinkled*. I used to work a suit and tie job in a past life, while the suit part would get regularly dry cleaned, the inner button down shirt and slacks would get washed and dried with the rest of the laundry and never ironed. Nobody ever said, emailed, sticky noted a damn thing that affected my career or social work-life sooo Β―_(γ)_/Β― *Except the following groups: Politicians, Celebrities, Rich people, Executives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean some people like clothes I like to look sharp and dress nicely, not to advance a career, if I do it at work it's really just for my colleagues and for the hell of rocking something with style. Outside of work too I feel like creased clothed would nullify any fashion reaches whether it's nice shoes, a peculiar and unique shirt or a cool blouse; put on a creased shirt and it makes or break the line between "a bold choice" to "ah, that man dressed like he doesn't know what he's doing" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] cm0002@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I feel like that's a bit different, if it's something you enjoy that's great! What I was more against was when people make ironing out to be some requirement of life, another chore that needs to be done just like the dishes or laundry itself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 3 points 2 years ago Oh yeah that's lame permalink fedilink source parent
[β] cm0002@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Screw ironing, I don't even own an iron and I never will permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I feel like this sounds great until we see a picture of one of your shirts permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] cm0002@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I don't think it really matters if your shirt is wrinkled*. I used to work a suit and tie job in a past life, while the suit part would get regularly dry cleaned, the inner button down shirt and slacks would get washed and dried with the rest of the laundry and never ironed. Nobody ever said, emailed, sticky noted a damn thing that affected my career or social work-life sooo Β―_(γ)_/Β― *Except the following groups: Politicians, Celebrities, Rich people, Executives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean some people like clothes I like to look sharp and dress nicely, not to advance a career, if I do it at work it's really just for my colleagues and for the hell of rocking something with style. Outside of work too I feel like creased clothed would nullify any fashion reaches whether it's nice shoes, a peculiar and unique shirt or a cool blouse; put on a creased shirt and it makes or break the line between "a bold choice" to "ah, that man dressed like he doesn't know what he's doing" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] cm0002@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I feel like that's a bit different, if it's something you enjoy that's great! What I was more against was when people make ironing out to be some requirement of life, another chore that needs to be done just like the dishes or laundry itself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 3 points 2 years ago Oh yeah that's lame permalink fedilink source parent
[β] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I feel like this sounds great until we see a picture of one of your shirts permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] cm0002@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I don't think it really matters if your shirt is wrinkled*. I used to work a suit and tie job in a past life, while the suit part would get regularly dry cleaned, the inner button down shirt and slacks would get washed and dried with the rest of the laundry and never ironed. Nobody ever said, emailed, sticky noted a damn thing that affected my career or social work-life sooo Β―_(γ)_/Β― *Except the following groups: Politicians, Celebrities, Rich people, Executives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean some people like clothes I like to look sharp and dress nicely, not to advance a career, if I do it at work it's really just for my colleagues and for the hell of rocking something with style. Outside of work too I feel like creased clothed would nullify any fashion reaches whether it's nice shoes, a peculiar and unique shirt or a cool blouse; put on a creased shirt and it makes or break the line between "a bold choice" to "ah, that man dressed like he doesn't know what he's doing" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] cm0002@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I feel like that's a bit different, if it's something you enjoy that's great! What I was more against was when people make ironing out to be some requirement of life, another chore that needs to be done just like the dishes or laundry itself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 3 points 2 years ago Oh yeah that's lame permalink fedilink source parent
[β] cm0002@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I don't think it really matters if your shirt is wrinkled*. I used to work a suit and tie job in a past life, while the suit part would get regularly dry cleaned, the inner button down shirt and slacks would get washed and dried with the rest of the laundry and never ironed. Nobody ever said, emailed, sticky noted a damn thing that affected my career or social work-life sooo Β―_(γ)_/Β― *Except the following groups: Politicians, Celebrities, Rich people, Executives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean some people like clothes I like to look sharp and dress nicely, not to advance a career, if I do it at work it's really just for my colleagues and for the hell of rocking something with style. Outside of work too I feel like creased clothed would nullify any fashion reaches whether it's nice shoes, a peculiar and unique shirt or a cool blouse; put on a creased shirt and it makes or break the line between "a bold choice" to "ah, that man dressed like he doesn't know what he's doing" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] cm0002@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I feel like that's a bit different, if it's something you enjoy that's great! What I was more against was when people make ironing out to be some requirement of life, another chore that needs to be done just like the dishes or laundry itself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 3 points 2 years ago Oh yeah that's lame permalink fedilink source parent
[β] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean some people like clothes I like to look sharp and dress nicely, not to advance a career, if I do it at work it's really just for my colleagues and for the hell of rocking something with style. Outside of work too I feel like creased clothed would nullify any fashion reaches whether it's nice shoes, a peculiar and unique shirt or a cool blouse; put on a creased shirt and it makes or break the line between "a bold choice" to "ah, that man dressed like he doesn't know what he's doing" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] cm0002@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I feel like that's a bit different, if it's something you enjoy that's great! What I was more against was when people make ironing out to be some requirement of life, another chore that needs to be done just like the dishes or laundry itself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 3 points 2 years ago Oh yeah that's lame permalink fedilink source parent
[β] cm0002@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I feel like that's a bit different, if it's something you enjoy that's great! What I was more against was when people make ironing out to be some requirement of life, another chore that needs to be done just like the dishes or laundry itself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 3 points 2 years ago Oh yeah that's lame permalink fedilink source parent
[β] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 3 points 2 years ago Oh yeah that's lame permalink fedilink source parent
[+] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] cm0002@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're just reusing the same argument as the anti-dishwasher people Nothing to do with laziness and everything to do with having higher priorities that could use that 10-20 minutes on top of just plain efficiency gains permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Dishwashers are actually greener than hand-washing. Do I have to link the TechnologyConnections video? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] cm0002@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) You misunderstood, I'm definitely pro-dishwasher and have seen both of TC's dishwasher videos. "You're just being lazy" is a common argument anti-dishwashers bring up along with the (Incorrect) "It's faster to hand wash" However, that being said, being greener isn't why I'm pro-dishwasher. It's because it saves time I can use for anything else It's a waste of time to hang dry, it's a 5-10x increase over just shoving them in the dryer, hitting start and going off to do whatever. It's simply inefficient to spend time hanging clothes to dry. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, but in this case there are actual measurable benefits to hang-drying besides financial cost. Unlike the dishwasher, hang drying is measurably greener. And also it tends to prolong the life of your clothes. This is a case where "being lazy" has a real trade-off, like fixing yourself a meal from proper ingredients vs nuking a TV dinner. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] cm0002@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) hang drying is measurably greener. Probably, but not enough to really matter at the end of the day when the vast majority of pollution is by the hands of corporations not not the general public. If every single one of us "regular folk" lived perfectly green lives, it would barely nudge the needle. That's just the sad reality we have to deal with. That's not to say you should go out and do the opposite just because it doesn't matter, just that it's not a slam dunk argument by any means. And also it tends to prolong the life of your clothes. I briefly researched this to try to come up with some studies on this. There aren't any with Hang Dry vs Dryer, although I did find one that concluded that cold and fast washing increased longevity. The real culprit for longevity is cheap shit vs quality, the vast majority of clothing for my family is tshirts, hoodies and jeans with a scattering of "specialized" clothing (Slacks, lingerie, delicates, dress clothing etc.) And I can say that cheap and/or fast fashion crap are the only things I've ever seen that actually have a significant shortened life when going through the wash/dry cycle. And usually within weeks. Quality jeans and cotton tshirts I've got have been going on 5+ years just fine. I don't even buy clothes for replacement that often, mostly just because it looks nice and caught my eye or something. Hell, I'm wearing a hoodie rn that's going on 10 years and it's never known a single day on the line and it's going strong. Maybe it's a little more faded than when it was new, but it's been so long I can't even remember. And then it's also incredibly subjective to each person, where's the line of what's "unwearable" is it the second elastic starts being a little deformed or can you go a bit longer? Is it when tiny holes start showing up or is it not until it's obviously torn and tattered? AFAIC any piece of clothing that lasts more than 4 or 5 years is on bonus time, after that point I've gotten my value out of it so sacrificing upwards of 20 minutes every load to maybe get another 1 or 2 out of it is an utter waste (and even that is debatable, what studies I did find on longevity pointed to quality of manufacturing (aka stop buying the cheap shit) and washing on cold) ETA: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0143720819320431 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0959652622010186 permalink fedilink source parent
[β] cm0002@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're just reusing the same argument as the anti-dishwasher people Nothing to do with laziness and everything to do with having higher priorities that could use that 10-20 minutes on top of just plain efficiency gains permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Dishwashers are actually greener than hand-washing. Do I have to link the TechnologyConnections video? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] cm0002@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) You misunderstood, I'm definitely pro-dishwasher and have seen both of TC's dishwasher videos. "You're just being lazy" is a common argument anti-dishwashers bring up along with the (Incorrect) "It's faster to hand wash" However, that being said, being greener isn't why I'm pro-dishwasher. It's because it saves time I can use for anything else It's a waste of time to hang dry, it's a 5-10x increase over just shoving them in the dryer, hitting start and going off to do whatever. It's simply inefficient to spend time hanging clothes to dry. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, but in this case there are actual measurable benefits to hang-drying besides financial cost. Unlike the dishwasher, hang drying is measurably greener. And also it tends to prolong the life of your clothes. This is a case where "being lazy" has a real trade-off, like fixing yourself a meal from proper ingredients vs nuking a TV dinner. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] cm0002@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) hang drying is measurably greener. Probably, but not enough to really matter at the end of the day when the vast majority of pollution is by the hands of corporations not not the general public. If every single one of us "regular folk" lived perfectly green lives, it would barely nudge the needle. That's just the sad reality we have to deal with. That's not to say you should go out and do the opposite just because it doesn't matter, just that it's not a slam dunk argument by any means. And also it tends to prolong the life of your clothes. I briefly researched this to try to come up with some studies on this. There aren't any with Hang Dry vs Dryer, although I did find one that concluded that cold and fast washing increased longevity. The real culprit for longevity is cheap shit vs quality, the vast majority of clothing for my family is tshirts, hoodies and jeans with a scattering of "specialized" clothing (Slacks, lingerie, delicates, dress clothing etc.) And I can say that cheap and/or fast fashion crap are the only things I've ever seen that actually have a significant shortened life when going through the wash/dry cycle. And usually within weeks. Quality jeans and cotton tshirts I've got have been going on 5+ years just fine. I don't even buy clothes for replacement that often, mostly just because it looks nice and caught my eye or something. Hell, I'm wearing a hoodie rn that's going on 10 years and it's never known a single day on the line and it's going strong. Maybe it's a little more faded than when it was new, but it's been so long I can't even remember. And then it's also incredibly subjective to each person, where's the line of what's "unwearable" is it the second elastic starts being a little deformed or can you go a bit longer? Is it when tiny holes start showing up or is it not until it's obviously torn and tattered? AFAIC any piece of clothing that lasts more than 4 or 5 years is on bonus time, after that point I've gotten my value out of it so sacrificing upwards of 20 minutes every load to maybe get another 1 or 2 out of it is an utter waste (and even that is debatable, what studies I did find on longevity pointed to quality of manufacturing (aka stop buying the cheap shit) and washing on cold) ETA: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0143720819320431 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0959652622010186 permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Dishwashers are actually greener than hand-washing. Do I have to link the TechnologyConnections video? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] cm0002@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) You misunderstood, I'm definitely pro-dishwasher and have seen both of TC's dishwasher videos. "You're just being lazy" is a common argument anti-dishwashers bring up along with the (Incorrect) "It's faster to hand wash" However, that being said, being greener isn't why I'm pro-dishwasher. It's because it saves time I can use for anything else It's a waste of time to hang dry, it's a 5-10x increase over just shoving them in the dryer, hitting start and going off to do whatever. It's simply inefficient to spend time hanging clothes to dry. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, but in this case there are actual measurable benefits to hang-drying besides financial cost. Unlike the dishwasher, hang drying is measurably greener. And also it tends to prolong the life of your clothes. This is a case where "being lazy" has a real trade-off, like fixing yourself a meal from proper ingredients vs nuking a TV dinner. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] cm0002@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) hang drying is measurably greener. Probably, but not enough to really matter at the end of the day when the vast majority of pollution is by the hands of corporations not not the general public. If every single one of us "regular folk" lived perfectly green lives, it would barely nudge the needle. That's just the sad reality we have to deal with. That's not to say you should go out and do the opposite just because it doesn't matter, just that it's not a slam dunk argument by any means. And also it tends to prolong the life of your clothes. I briefly researched this to try to come up with some studies on this. There aren't any with Hang Dry vs Dryer, although I did find one that concluded that cold and fast washing increased longevity. The real culprit for longevity is cheap shit vs quality, the vast majority of clothing for my family is tshirts, hoodies and jeans with a scattering of "specialized" clothing (Slacks, lingerie, delicates, dress clothing etc.) And I can say that cheap and/or fast fashion crap are the only things I've ever seen that actually have a significant shortened life when going through the wash/dry cycle. And usually within weeks. Quality jeans and cotton tshirts I've got have been going on 5+ years just fine. I don't even buy clothes for replacement that often, mostly just because it looks nice and caught my eye or something. Hell, I'm wearing a hoodie rn that's going on 10 years and it's never known a single day on the line and it's going strong. Maybe it's a little more faded than when it was new, but it's been so long I can't even remember. And then it's also incredibly subjective to each person, where's the line of what's "unwearable" is it the second elastic starts being a little deformed or can you go a bit longer? Is it when tiny holes start showing up or is it not until it's obviously torn and tattered? AFAIC any piece of clothing that lasts more than 4 or 5 years is on bonus time, after that point I've gotten my value out of it so sacrificing upwards of 20 minutes every load to maybe get another 1 or 2 out of it is an utter waste (and even that is debatable, what studies I did find on longevity pointed to quality of manufacturing (aka stop buying the cheap shit) and washing on cold) ETA: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0143720819320431 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0959652622010186 permalink fedilink source parent
[β] cm0002@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) You misunderstood, I'm definitely pro-dishwasher and have seen both of TC's dishwasher videos. "You're just being lazy" is a common argument anti-dishwashers bring up along with the (Incorrect) "It's faster to hand wash" However, that being said, being greener isn't why I'm pro-dishwasher. It's because it saves time I can use for anything else It's a waste of time to hang dry, it's a 5-10x increase over just shoving them in the dryer, hitting start and going off to do whatever. It's simply inefficient to spend time hanging clothes to dry. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, but in this case there are actual measurable benefits to hang-drying besides financial cost. Unlike the dishwasher, hang drying is measurably greener. And also it tends to prolong the life of your clothes. This is a case where "being lazy" has a real trade-off, like fixing yourself a meal from proper ingredients vs nuking a TV dinner. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] cm0002@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) hang drying is measurably greener. Probably, but not enough to really matter at the end of the day when the vast majority of pollution is by the hands of corporations not not the general public. If every single one of us "regular folk" lived perfectly green lives, it would barely nudge the needle. That's just the sad reality we have to deal with. That's not to say you should go out and do the opposite just because it doesn't matter, just that it's not a slam dunk argument by any means. And also it tends to prolong the life of your clothes. I briefly researched this to try to come up with some studies on this. There aren't any with Hang Dry vs Dryer, although I did find one that concluded that cold and fast washing increased longevity. The real culprit for longevity is cheap shit vs quality, the vast majority of clothing for my family is tshirts, hoodies and jeans with a scattering of "specialized" clothing (Slacks, lingerie, delicates, dress clothing etc.) And I can say that cheap and/or fast fashion crap are the only things I've ever seen that actually have a significant shortened life when going through the wash/dry cycle. And usually within weeks. Quality jeans and cotton tshirts I've got have been going on 5+ years just fine. I don't even buy clothes for replacement that often, mostly just because it looks nice and caught my eye or something. Hell, I'm wearing a hoodie rn that's going on 10 years and it's never known a single day on the line and it's going strong. Maybe it's a little more faded than when it was new, but it's been so long I can't even remember. And then it's also incredibly subjective to each person, where's the line of what's "unwearable" is it the second elastic starts being a little deformed or can you go a bit longer? Is it when tiny holes start showing up or is it not until it's obviously torn and tattered? AFAIC any piece of clothing that lasts more than 4 or 5 years is on bonus time, after that point I've gotten my value out of it so sacrificing upwards of 20 minutes every load to maybe get another 1 or 2 out of it is an utter waste (and even that is debatable, what studies I did find on longevity pointed to quality of manufacturing (aka stop buying the cheap shit) and washing on cold) ETA: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0143720819320431 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0959652622010186 permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, but in this case there are actual measurable benefits to hang-drying besides financial cost. Unlike the dishwasher, hang drying is measurably greener. And also it tends to prolong the life of your clothes. This is a case where "being lazy" has a real trade-off, like fixing yourself a meal from proper ingredients vs nuking a TV dinner. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] cm0002@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) hang drying is measurably greener. Probably, but not enough to really matter at the end of the day when the vast majority of pollution is by the hands of corporations not not the general public. If every single one of us "regular folk" lived perfectly green lives, it would barely nudge the needle. That's just the sad reality we have to deal with. That's not to say you should go out and do the opposite just because it doesn't matter, just that it's not a slam dunk argument by any means. And also it tends to prolong the life of your clothes. I briefly researched this to try to come up with some studies on this. There aren't any with Hang Dry vs Dryer, although I did find one that concluded that cold and fast washing increased longevity. The real culprit for longevity is cheap shit vs quality, the vast majority of clothing for my family is tshirts, hoodies and jeans with a scattering of "specialized" clothing (Slacks, lingerie, delicates, dress clothing etc.) And I can say that cheap and/or fast fashion crap are the only things I've ever seen that actually have a significant shortened life when going through the wash/dry cycle. And usually within weeks. Quality jeans and cotton tshirts I've got have been going on 5+ years just fine. I don't even buy clothes for replacement that often, mostly just because it looks nice and caught my eye or something. Hell, I'm wearing a hoodie rn that's going on 10 years and it's never known a single day on the line and it's going strong. Maybe it's a little more faded than when it was new, but it's been so long I can't even remember. And then it's also incredibly subjective to each person, where's the line of what's "unwearable" is it the second elastic starts being a little deformed or can you go a bit longer? Is it when tiny holes start showing up or is it not until it's obviously torn and tattered? AFAIC any piece of clothing that lasts more than 4 or 5 years is on bonus time, after that point I've gotten my value out of it so sacrificing upwards of 20 minutes every load to maybe get another 1 or 2 out of it is an utter waste (and even that is debatable, what studies I did find on longevity pointed to quality of manufacturing (aka stop buying the cheap shit) and washing on cold) ETA: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0143720819320431 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0959652622010186 permalink fedilink source parent
[β] cm0002@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) hang drying is measurably greener. Probably, but not enough to really matter at the end of the day when the vast majority of pollution is by the hands of corporations not not the general public. If every single one of us "regular folk" lived perfectly green lives, it would barely nudge the needle. That's just the sad reality we have to deal with. That's not to say you should go out and do the opposite just because it doesn't matter, just that it's not a slam dunk argument by any means. And also it tends to prolong the life of your clothes. I briefly researched this to try to come up with some studies on this. There aren't any with Hang Dry vs Dryer, although I did find one that concluded that cold and fast washing increased longevity. The real culprit for longevity is cheap shit vs quality, the vast majority of clothing for my family is tshirts, hoodies and jeans with a scattering of "specialized" clothing (Slacks, lingerie, delicates, dress clothing etc.) And I can say that cheap and/or fast fashion crap are the only things I've ever seen that actually have a significant shortened life when going through the wash/dry cycle. And usually within weeks. Quality jeans and cotton tshirts I've got have been going on 5+ years just fine. I don't even buy clothes for replacement that often, mostly just because it looks nice and caught my eye or something. Hell, I'm wearing a hoodie rn that's going on 10 years and it's never known a single day on the line and it's going strong. Maybe it's a little more faded than when it was new, but it's been so long I can't even remember. And then it's also incredibly subjective to each person, where's the line of what's "unwearable" is it the second elastic starts being a little deformed or can you go a bit longer? Is it when tiny holes start showing up or is it not until it's obviously torn and tattered? AFAIC any piece of clothing that lasts more than 4 or 5 years is on bonus time, after that point I've gotten my value out of it so sacrificing upwards of 20 minutes every load to maybe get another 1 or 2 out of it is an utter waste (and even that is debatable, what studies I did find on longevity pointed to quality of manufacturing (aka stop buying the cheap shit) and washing on cold) ETA: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0143720819320431 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0959652622010186 permalink fedilink source parent