▲ 561 ▼ X is officially worth less than half of what Elon Musk paid for it (www.theverge.com) submitted 2 years ago by woshang@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world 83 comments fedilink hide all child comments A year after he bought Twitter for $44 billion, Musk thinks the company is now worth $19 billion, a 55 percent drop. Let's recap what he did to Twitter, I will go first: Changed the original name Twitter to X.
[–] Mostly_Gristle@lemmy.world 87 points 2 years ago (4 children) Is anyone else surprised it's even worth that much? permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] yata@sh.itjust.works 69 points 2 years ago (1 child) A lot of journalists, politicians and influencers are really reluctant to let it go. I guess those are the ones still keeping it somewhat afloat. It should be more publicly shamed if you keep being a part of his insanity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fisk400@feddit.nu -3 points 2 years ago (2 children) It's because no other social media platform currently meets their requirements. Other platforms either functions significantly different from twitter or it lacks the reach that a politician needs in order for it to be worth their time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] eddietrax@dmv.social 21 points 2 years ago (2 children) “Worth their time” ? Copy\paste the text into Mastodon. Post Done I can empathize with the reluctance to completely jump ship but it costs nothing (both money and time) to cross post to another platform. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Fisk400@feddit.nu 3 points 2 years ago Last time I was on mastodon during one of the many twitter migrations there was a long post saying that people should hold of on auto-blocking people that don't caption the images they post because new user haven't learned the cultural rules of mastodon. Is that a thing? I don't know, could be a particular part of mastodon, I don't know. Point is that serious public figures have been trained to be careful when adopting new social media. permalink fedilink source parent [–] IdealShrew@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) yeah but nobody uses mastodon permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] eddietrax@dmv.social 7 points 2 years ago Hi. Nobody here 👋 I enjoy Mastodon and although nowhere near the same engagement as Shitter, I enjoy the content more. Some people like different things permalink fedilink source parent [+] aniki@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fisk400@feddit.nu 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) It is their job to gain attention, yes. Did you think all those journalists and politicians where hobbyists or something? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] aniki@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago* (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fisk400@feddit.nu -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think they know how to do their jobs better than us. That is why we are talking about them and they are not talking about us. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] aniki@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fisk400@feddit.nu 1 point 2 years ago Your resistance to opposing viewpoints is admirable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Carighan@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago* Yep. I mean in the end it has no product. It's just billboard/ad space, in the world of commerce. Sure, it's a lot of ad space, but ad space in the digital world is also effectively endless, so the percentage still isn't actually that relevant as it can shift in a moment's notice. Say... if a neonazi buys the platform and brings all his friends with him. But beyond an office he's not even paying for and so on, Xitter got... nothing. They have no actual product that can be liquidated, no supply chains worth any money, nothing to rent/sell out beyond said adspace. Like many digital companies they rely entirely on hype for all their perceived value. permalink fedilink source parent [–] donuts@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Honestly it's probably not... Estimates aside, who would even want to buy Twitter in its current incarnation? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fisk400@feddit.nu 11 points 2 years ago (3 children) It still has a big enough user base and brand recognition that they could put things back on course if they really went for it. The only permanent damage is the brain drain from firing a lot of people that has experience in running twitter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago The only permanent damage is the brain drain from firing a lot of people that has experience in running twitter. That's like saying "he suffered no permanent damage except the removal of his spine" permalink fedilink source parent [–] MagicShel@programming.dev 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Brand recognition? That's ironic. The Twitter brand had recognition. But you can't say X, you have to say "X, formerly Twitter." Otherwise you're right, of course, But I can't see it being resurrected. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fisk400@feddit.nu 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, twitter is the brand. The first action of a sane buyer would be to put the bird logo back. 20 billions of its current value comes from the fact that they still own that name. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MagicShel@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago It was never actually worth what musk paid, but I get that you're saying the name was half the value. Looks like musk agrees. permalink fedilink source parent [–] donuts@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago* I don't know about the active userbase so who knows. Personally I don't think the Twitter brand is as strong as it was a year and change ago. Even without the change to X, is there anyone who feels that Twitter is anything more than a shell of its former self? It's not as simple as just bringing back the bird, in my opinion. permalink fedilink source parent [+] eran_morad@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yata@sh.itjust.works 69 points 2 years ago (1 child) A lot of journalists, politicians and influencers are really reluctant to let it go. I guess those are the ones still keeping it somewhat afloat. It should be more publicly shamed if you keep being a part of his insanity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fisk400@feddit.nu -3 points 2 years ago (2 children) It's because no other social media platform currently meets their requirements. Other platforms either functions significantly different from twitter or it lacks the reach that a politician needs in order for it to be worth their time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] eddietrax@dmv.social 21 points 2 years ago (2 children) “Worth their time” ? Copy\paste the text into Mastodon. Post Done I can empathize with the reluctance to completely jump ship but it costs nothing (both money and time) to cross post to another platform. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Fisk400@feddit.nu 3 points 2 years ago Last time I was on mastodon during one of the many twitter migrations there was a long post saying that people should hold of on auto-blocking people that don't caption the images they post because new user haven't learned the cultural rules of mastodon. Is that a thing? I don't know, could be a particular part of mastodon, I don't know. Point is that serious public figures have been trained to be careful when adopting new social media. permalink fedilink source parent [–] IdealShrew@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) yeah but nobody uses mastodon permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] eddietrax@dmv.social 7 points 2 years ago Hi. Nobody here 👋 I enjoy Mastodon and although nowhere near the same engagement as Shitter, I enjoy the content more. Some people like different things permalink fedilink source parent [+] aniki@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fisk400@feddit.nu 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) It is their job to gain attention, yes. Did you think all those journalists and politicians where hobbyists or something? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] aniki@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago* (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fisk400@feddit.nu -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think they know how to do their jobs better than us. That is why we are talking about them and they are not talking about us. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] aniki@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fisk400@feddit.nu 1 point 2 years ago Your resistance to opposing viewpoints is admirable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fisk400@feddit.nu -3 points 2 years ago (2 children) It's because no other social media platform currently meets their requirements. Other platforms either functions significantly different from twitter or it lacks the reach that a politician needs in order for it to be worth their time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] eddietrax@dmv.social 21 points 2 years ago (2 children) “Worth their time” ? Copy\paste the text into Mastodon. Post Done I can empathize with the reluctance to completely jump ship but it costs nothing (both money and time) to cross post to another platform. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Fisk400@feddit.nu 3 points 2 years ago Last time I was on mastodon during one of the many twitter migrations there was a long post saying that people should hold of on auto-blocking people that don't caption the images they post because new user haven't learned the cultural rules of mastodon. Is that a thing? I don't know, could be a particular part of mastodon, I don't know. Point is that serious public figures have been trained to be careful when adopting new social media. permalink fedilink source parent [–] IdealShrew@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) yeah but nobody uses mastodon permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] eddietrax@dmv.social 7 points 2 years ago Hi. Nobody here 👋 I enjoy Mastodon and although nowhere near the same engagement as Shitter, I enjoy the content more. Some people like different things permalink fedilink source parent [+] aniki@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fisk400@feddit.nu 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) It is their job to gain attention, yes. Did you think all those journalists and politicians where hobbyists or something? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] aniki@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago* (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fisk400@feddit.nu -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think they know how to do their jobs better than us. That is why we are talking about them and they are not talking about us. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] aniki@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fisk400@feddit.nu 1 point 2 years ago Your resistance to opposing viewpoints is admirable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] eddietrax@dmv.social 21 points 2 years ago (2 children) “Worth their time” ? Copy\paste the text into Mastodon. Post Done I can empathize with the reluctance to completely jump ship but it costs nothing (both money and time) to cross post to another platform. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Fisk400@feddit.nu 3 points 2 years ago Last time I was on mastodon during one of the many twitter migrations there was a long post saying that people should hold of on auto-blocking people that don't caption the images they post because new user haven't learned the cultural rules of mastodon. Is that a thing? I don't know, could be a particular part of mastodon, I don't know. Point is that serious public figures have been trained to be careful when adopting new social media. permalink fedilink source parent [–] IdealShrew@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) yeah but nobody uses mastodon permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] eddietrax@dmv.social 7 points 2 years ago Hi. Nobody here 👋 I enjoy Mastodon and although nowhere near the same engagement as Shitter, I enjoy the content more. Some people like different things permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fisk400@feddit.nu 3 points 2 years ago Last time I was on mastodon during one of the many twitter migrations there was a long post saying that people should hold of on auto-blocking people that don't caption the images they post because new user haven't learned the cultural rules of mastodon. Is that a thing? I don't know, could be a particular part of mastodon, I don't know. Point is that serious public figures have been trained to be careful when adopting new social media. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IdealShrew@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) yeah but nobody uses mastodon permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] eddietrax@dmv.social 7 points 2 years ago Hi. Nobody here 👋 I enjoy Mastodon and although nowhere near the same engagement as Shitter, I enjoy the content more. Some people like different things permalink fedilink source parent
[–] eddietrax@dmv.social 7 points 2 years ago Hi. Nobody here 👋 I enjoy Mastodon and although nowhere near the same engagement as Shitter, I enjoy the content more. Some people like different things permalink fedilink source parent
[+] aniki@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fisk400@feddit.nu 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) It is their job to gain attention, yes. Did you think all those journalists and politicians where hobbyists or something? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] aniki@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago* (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fisk400@feddit.nu -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think they know how to do their jobs better than us. That is why we are talking about them and they are not talking about us. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] aniki@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fisk400@feddit.nu 1 point 2 years ago Your resistance to opposing viewpoints is admirable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fisk400@feddit.nu 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) It is their job to gain attention, yes. Did you think all those journalists and politicians where hobbyists or something? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] aniki@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago* (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fisk400@feddit.nu -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think they know how to do their jobs better than us. That is why we are talking about them and they are not talking about us. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] aniki@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fisk400@feddit.nu 1 point 2 years ago Your resistance to opposing viewpoints is admirable. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] aniki@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago* (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fisk400@feddit.nu -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think they know how to do their jobs better than us. That is why we are talking about them and they are not talking about us. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] aniki@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fisk400@feddit.nu 1 point 2 years ago Your resistance to opposing viewpoints is admirable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fisk400@feddit.nu -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think they know how to do their jobs better than us. That is why we are talking about them and they are not talking about us. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] aniki@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fisk400@feddit.nu 1 point 2 years ago Your resistance to opposing viewpoints is admirable. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] aniki@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fisk400@feddit.nu 1 point 2 years ago Your resistance to opposing viewpoints is admirable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fisk400@feddit.nu 1 point 2 years ago Your resistance to opposing viewpoints is admirable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Carighan@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago* Yep. I mean in the end it has no product. It's just billboard/ad space, in the world of commerce. Sure, it's a lot of ad space, but ad space in the digital world is also effectively endless, so the percentage still isn't actually that relevant as it can shift in a moment's notice. Say... if a neonazi buys the platform and brings all his friends with him. But beyond an office he's not even paying for and so on, Xitter got... nothing. They have no actual product that can be liquidated, no supply chains worth any money, nothing to rent/sell out beyond said adspace. Like many digital companies they rely entirely on hype for all their perceived value. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] donuts@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Honestly it's probably not... Estimates aside, who would even want to buy Twitter in its current incarnation? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fisk400@feddit.nu 11 points 2 years ago (3 children) It still has a big enough user base and brand recognition that they could put things back on course if they really went for it. The only permanent damage is the brain drain from firing a lot of people that has experience in running twitter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago The only permanent damage is the brain drain from firing a lot of people that has experience in running twitter. That's like saying "he suffered no permanent damage except the removal of his spine" permalink fedilink source parent [–] MagicShel@programming.dev 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Brand recognition? That's ironic. The Twitter brand had recognition. But you can't say X, you have to say "X, formerly Twitter." Otherwise you're right, of course, But I can't see it being resurrected. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fisk400@feddit.nu 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, twitter is the brand. The first action of a sane buyer would be to put the bird logo back. 20 billions of its current value comes from the fact that they still own that name. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MagicShel@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago It was never actually worth what musk paid, but I get that you're saying the name was half the value. Looks like musk agrees. permalink fedilink source parent [–] donuts@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago* I don't know about the active userbase so who knows. Personally I don't think the Twitter brand is as strong as it was a year and change ago. Even without the change to X, is there anyone who feels that Twitter is anything more than a shell of its former self? It's not as simple as just bringing back the bird, in my opinion. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fisk400@feddit.nu 11 points 2 years ago (3 children) It still has a big enough user base and brand recognition that they could put things back on course if they really went for it. The only permanent damage is the brain drain from firing a lot of people that has experience in running twitter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago The only permanent damage is the brain drain from firing a lot of people that has experience in running twitter. That's like saying "he suffered no permanent damage except the removal of his spine" permalink fedilink source parent [–] MagicShel@programming.dev 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Brand recognition? That's ironic. The Twitter brand had recognition. But you can't say X, you have to say "X, formerly Twitter." Otherwise you're right, of course, But I can't see it being resurrected. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fisk400@feddit.nu 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, twitter is the brand. The first action of a sane buyer would be to put the bird logo back. 20 billions of its current value comes from the fact that they still own that name. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MagicShel@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago It was never actually worth what musk paid, but I get that you're saying the name was half the value. Looks like musk agrees. permalink fedilink source parent [–] donuts@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago* I don't know about the active userbase so who knows. Personally I don't think the Twitter brand is as strong as it was a year and change ago. Even without the change to X, is there anyone who feels that Twitter is anything more than a shell of its former self? It's not as simple as just bringing back the bird, in my opinion. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago The only permanent damage is the brain drain from firing a lot of people that has experience in running twitter. That's like saying "he suffered no permanent damage except the removal of his spine" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Brand recognition? That's ironic. The Twitter brand had recognition. But you can't say X, you have to say "X, formerly Twitter." Otherwise you're right, of course, But I can't see it being resurrected. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fisk400@feddit.nu 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, twitter is the brand. The first action of a sane buyer would be to put the bird logo back. 20 billions of its current value comes from the fact that they still own that name. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MagicShel@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago It was never actually worth what musk paid, but I get that you're saying the name was half the value. Looks like musk agrees. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fisk400@feddit.nu 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, twitter is the brand. The first action of a sane buyer would be to put the bird logo back. 20 billions of its current value comes from the fact that they still own that name. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MagicShel@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago It was never actually worth what musk paid, but I get that you're saying the name was half the value. Looks like musk agrees. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago It was never actually worth what musk paid, but I get that you're saying the name was half the value. Looks like musk agrees. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] donuts@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago* I don't know about the active userbase so who knows. Personally I don't think the Twitter brand is as strong as it was a year and change ago. Even without the change to X, is there anyone who feels that Twitter is anything more than a shell of its former self? It's not as simple as just bringing back the bird, in my opinion. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] eran_morad@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent