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Sometimes there is a better choice than Javascript (programming.dev)
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[–] 7 points 3 years ago (6 children)

Doing Odin Project now and the constant shiting on JS online is sort of crushing my motivation. 😫

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  • [–] 30 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Don’t worry about, JS is a fine language and is used by all of the top companies. If you want to get a job as a software developer you have decent odds if you learn JS

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    As someone currently job hunting - native JS isn’t enough anymore. Everyone wants React devs. I see some posts for Vue or Angilar and sometimes even TypeScript but the vast majority want React coders now.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 years ago

    Very true.
    If you are learning JavaScript, typescript is absolutely worth learning as well.
    React and Vue have some additional paradigms, but it is basically just JavaScript/typescript.
    It's a lot to learn all in one step.

    I guess it's like trying to learn C# and Unity all in one

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  • [–] 25 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    If you don't hate a programming language you simply haven't used it enough or are delusional. Every language sucks in its own special way, js ain't special.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    I agree with you that every language has its flaws but JS feels like it was a hodgepodge created without any design philosophy in mind. I don't use C or lisp in day to day work but I can appreciate their philosophies and power. Can't say the same about JS.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    That's because it literally is the result of mozila, Microsoft and later Google fighting about what the right language choices were/are. Browser detection scripts and shims are still a thing, but back in the day we had to code that shit by hand every, and I mean every, minor version release of every browser.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    This is super interesting. But why isn't HTML or CSS a similar mess? I found their structure to be more logical than JS. Parts of JS feels like it's intended as a backend language but parts of it don't.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Wait, you don't think html is a mess? Lol.

    Css benefited from coming much later than the other two... But it also has issues.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    I mean semantic html seems like a pretty okay markup language.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    Lol. That's like saying js is ok as long as you never use the parts that 90% of js developers use.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    Really? I find that css is pretty much the ugly part of html. Html is no worse than markdown or latex. If you just wrote plain HTML and were okay with how it rendered, you would have nicely structured code.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago* (1 child)

    My point is that if you only use the parts that don't bring confusion you have a problem... Nobody ever does that in production... Much less with any frameworks. There is no such thing as semantic html at scale or in any modern framework.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    That isn't the fault of the language though. It does what it was designed to well. Maybe it is I'll suited to achieve things it wasn't designed to do?

    I could absolutely write code to do data analytics with C and gnuplot, does that mean they're the appropriate tools for doing that when pandas, SPSS, Julia or matlab exists? Probably not.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 years ago

    JS is fine. But as with any tool it's not the best for every scenario.

    The flak JS tends to get us mostly because of the rise of popularity is Node.js leading to backend JavaScript beginning commonplace. which it's overall a poor choice for backend when compared to many other languages as the strengths that JS has are more tailored to frontend.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago

    Honest answer: JS is a shitty language and I despise it. BUT you can learn a ton of stuff with that, all the features (loops, conditions, variables, etc.) that exist in other languages. You will hate JS one day too, but right now it's good to learn, and when you'll switch to other languages, you'll be happy you learned something.

    So yes, JS sucks, but no, it won't be useless for your future. Keep on working, programming is really fun.

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