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[–] HurlingDurling@lemm.ee 144 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (49 children) Still waiting for the good guy with a gun they keep repeating EDIT: OK everyone, yes he was the good guy with a gun. Thanks to everyone for pointing this out permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 57 child comments replies: [–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 116 points 2 years ago (2 children) Apparently, the shooter was a firearms instructor. Aka, good guy with a gun turned bad guy with a gun. This crap will never end until the tools they use to kill are off the streets. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 75 points 2 years ago (3 children) Apparently, the shooter was a firearms instructor. Every gun owner thinks they're a responsible gun owner. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] echodot@feddit.uk 2 points 2 years ago Probably a "Look down the barrel to make sure there is no bullet in there" type. permalink fedilink source parent [–] KneeTitts@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* Not my shocked face!! ...Support for Trump, among other politicians. As shown by the video, Card liked tweets from high-profile conservative figures such as Donald Trump Jnr., Tucker Carlson, Dinesh D'Souza. He also engaged with publications from former house speakers Kevin McCarthy and Jim Jordan, as per the video. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago I think that's the same error in judgement that leads the vast majority of motorists to believe their driving skills are above average. Forgot what it's called. permalink fedilink source parent [–] variaatio@sopuli.xyz 27 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Which is the key problem. Everyone is a "responsible gun owner" and "good guy with a gun"...... until sometimes they suddenly aren't anymore. At which point your protection is what was person able to keep under normal circumstances aka what they had in their possession on the moment they had a mental snap. Was it a semi-auto shoot as fast as your finger pulls rifle with potentially hundreds of rounds in quick swap magazines or do they have a manual action hunting rifle or shotgun with fixed magazine, that need to be manually reloaded. Do they have a pistol with again potentially hundreds of rounds of quick reload ammunition or don't or maybe a target pistol with fixed magazine. That is why places around the world have magazine and type restrictions, since they exactly know "checking backgrounds isn't fool proof and now amount of background checking helps again sudden newly emerging situation after the checks have been done". Sure that 5 round moose hunting rifle will absolutely wreck say those 5 people, but one can't exactly run amock shooting around endlessly with moose rifle. Damage limitation. 5 dead people is better situation, than 22 dead people. As cold calculating as that is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Everyone is a “responsible gun owner” and “good guy with a gun”… until sometimes they suddenly aren’t anymore. Yeah, and unpopular opinion likely but I think of this similarly to dogs turning on their owners. And similarly I'd rather have a Yorkshire terrier go crazy on me than a Pitbull. permalink fedilink source parent [–] doppelgangmember@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago cough cough Uvalde cough permalink fedilink source parent [–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago didn't come because his mother aborted him /s permalink fedilink source parent [–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago Yesterday the right said this WAS a good guy. Just let that sink in. permalink fedilink source parent [–] UnspecificGravity@lemmings.world 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) This guy is exactly the kind of person that the GOP considers a "good guy with a gun". He is a mentally ill veteran firearms instructor. Sounds like a boilerplate Trump supporter. Exactly who they want to have more guns. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Snapz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago It's even worse, GOP would want this guy to be an elementary school teacher as a "solution" to the school shootings. Broken, selfish, heartless cowards permalink fedilink source parent [–] BruceTwarzen@kbin.social 14 points 2 years ago Army vet and gun instructor... This was the good guy permalink fedilink source parent [–] Polar@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) There was a study published from data from the last like.. 10 years, I believe, that show that people with guns are more likely to run away, and people WITHOUT guns, are more likely to jump in and try to stop the shooter. So ya. These good guys with guns are just pussies that never actually use them for good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Furedadmins@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well yeah if they weren't such gigantic cowards they wouldn't buy guns. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Polar@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ya. I live in Canada, and I've never felt the need to own a gun. We have a TON of hunting guns here, but I think the fact we don't allow open carry, changes the thought process of gun owners here, and we don't see them as weapons to point at other people. They are more so seen as a tool for a hobby, like a fishing rod is used for fishing. And honestly, if you avoid Toronto, violence in general is really low. Toronto is just.. special. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] piradianssquared@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago And honestly, if you avoid Toronto, violence in general is really low. Toronto is just… special. Toronto isn't even in the top ten most dangerous... permalink fedilink source parent [–] SheeEttin@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago That might be because people who own guns have had training in how not to get killed. I'm not sure that saying gun owners should be quicker to shoot people is the right direction. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) https://crimeresearch.org/2023/08/cases-where-armed-citizens-have-stopped-active-shooter-incidents/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) The real question is, of those ≈35 cases where an armed civilian stopped a shooter, how many did the cops then shoot the "good guy with a gun?" I know it's happened, and I think at least twice. Also 35/thousands is a rounding error. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago Mass shootings themselves are a rounding number, rounding numbers are what we're discussing. Also helps that they almost always choose gun free zones "for no reason" instead of "gun guaranteed zones." Almost like they don't want armed people shooting at them. And one or two, but just because the cops make an error, doesn't mean the person was wrong to save all those people. That's also why you're told to put the gun away once you've secured the situation, and you're supposed to give a visual description of the shooter when you call it in. You really think it's better to just let people cause whatever harm they want to than for them to stop the violent attacker? Even if it's just a guy with a knife who can "only kill less people than a guy with a gun," "if it even stops just one" right? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (41 replies)
[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 116 points 2 years ago (2 children) Apparently, the shooter was a firearms instructor. Aka, good guy with a gun turned bad guy with a gun. This crap will never end until the tools they use to kill are off the streets. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 75 points 2 years ago (3 children) Apparently, the shooter was a firearms instructor. Every gun owner thinks they're a responsible gun owner. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] echodot@feddit.uk 2 points 2 years ago Probably a "Look down the barrel to make sure there is no bullet in there" type. permalink fedilink source parent [–] KneeTitts@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* Not my shocked face!! ...Support for Trump, among other politicians. As shown by the video, Card liked tweets from high-profile conservative figures such as Donald Trump Jnr., Tucker Carlson, Dinesh D'Souza. He also engaged with publications from former house speakers Kevin McCarthy and Jim Jordan, as per the video. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago I think that's the same error in judgement that leads the vast majority of motorists to believe their driving skills are above average. Forgot what it's called. permalink fedilink source parent [–] variaatio@sopuli.xyz 27 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Which is the key problem. Everyone is a "responsible gun owner" and "good guy with a gun"...... until sometimes they suddenly aren't anymore. At which point your protection is what was person able to keep under normal circumstances aka what they had in their possession on the moment they had a mental snap. Was it a semi-auto shoot as fast as your finger pulls rifle with potentially hundreds of rounds in quick swap magazines or do they have a manual action hunting rifle or shotgun with fixed magazine, that need to be manually reloaded. Do they have a pistol with again potentially hundreds of rounds of quick reload ammunition or don't or maybe a target pistol with fixed magazine. That is why places around the world have magazine and type restrictions, since they exactly know "checking backgrounds isn't fool proof and now amount of background checking helps again sudden newly emerging situation after the checks have been done". Sure that 5 round moose hunting rifle will absolutely wreck say those 5 people, but one can't exactly run amock shooting around endlessly with moose rifle. Damage limitation. 5 dead people is better situation, than 22 dead people. As cold calculating as that is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Everyone is a “responsible gun owner” and “good guy with a gun”… until sometimes they suddenly aren’t anymore. Yeah, and unpopular opinion likely but I think of this similarly to dogs turning on their owners. And similarly I'd rather have a Yorkshire terrier go crazy on me than a Pitbull. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 75 points 2 years ago (3 children) Apparently, the shooter was a firearms instructor. Every gun owner thinks they're a responsible gun owner. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] echodot@feddit.uk 2 points 2 years ago Probably a "Look down the barrel to make sure there is no bullet in there" type. permalink fedilink source parent [–] KneeTitts@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* Not my shocked face!! ...Support for Trump, among other politicians. As shown by the video, Card liked tweets from high-profile conservative figures such as Donald Trump Jnr., Tucker Carlson, Dinesh D'Souza. He also engaged with publications from former house speakers Kevin McCarthy and Jim Jordan, as per the video. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago I think that's the same error in judgement that leads the vast majority of motorists to believe their driving skills are above average. Forgot what it's called. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] echodot@feddit.uk 2 points 2 years ago Probably a "Look down the barrel to make sure there is no bullet in there" type. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KneeTitts@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* Not my shocked face!! ...Support for Trump, among other politicians. As shown by the video, Card liked tweets from high-profile conservative figures such as Donald Trump Jnr., Tucker Carlson, Dinesh D'Souza. He also engaged with publications from former house speakers Kevin McCarthy and Jim Jordan, as per the video. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago I think that's the same error in judgement that leads the vast majority of motorists to believe their driving skills are above average. Forgot what it's called. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] variaatio@sopuli.xyz 27 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Which is the key problem. Everyone is a "responsible gun owner" and "good guy with a gun"...... until sometimes they suddenly aren't anymore. At which point your protection is what was person able to keep under normal circumstances aka what they had in their possession on the moment they had a mental snap. Was it a semi-auto shoot as fast as your finger pulls rifle with potentially hundreds of rounds in quick swap magazines or do they have a manual action hunting rifle or shotgun with fixed magazine, that need to be manually reloaded. Do they have a pistol with again potentially hundreds of rounds of quick reload ammunition or don't or maybe a target pistol with fixed magazine. That is why places around the world have magazine and type restrictions, since they exactly know "checking backgrounds isn't fool proof and now amount of background checking helps again sudden newly emerging situation after the checks have been done". Sure that 5 round moose hunting rifle will absolutely wreck say those 5 people, but one can't exactly run amock shooting around endlessly with moose rifle. Damage limitation. 5 dead people is better situation, than 22 dead people. As cold calculating as that is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Everyone is a “responsible gun owner” and “good guy with a gun”… until sometimes they suddenly aren’t anymore. Yeah, and unpopular opinion likely but I think of this similarly to dogs turning on their owners. And similarly I'd rather have a Yorkshire terrier go crazy on me than a Pitbull. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Everyone is a “responsible gun owner” and “good guy with a gun”… until sometimes they suddenly aren’t anymore. Yeah, and unpopular opinion likely but I think of this similarly to dogs turning on their owners. And similarly I'd rather have a Yorkshire terrier go crazy on me than a Pitbull. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] doppelgangmember@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago cough cough Uvalde cough permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago didn't come because his mother aborted him /s permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago Yesterday the right said this WAS a good guy. Just let that sink in. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UnspecificGravity@lemmings.world 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) This guy is exactly the kind of person that the GOP considers a "good guy with a gun". He is a mentally ill veteran firearms instructor. Sounds like a boilerplate Trump supporter. Exactly who they want to have more guns. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Snapz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago It's even worse, GOP would want this guy to be an elementary school teacher as a "solution" to the school shootings. Broken, selfish, heartless cowards permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago It's even worse, GOP would want this guy to be an elementary school teacher as a "solution" to the school shootings. Broken, selfish, heartless cowards permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BruceTwarzen@kbin.social 14 points 2 years ago Army vet and gun instructor... This was the good guy permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Polar@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) There was a study published from data from the last like.. 10 years, I believe, that show that people with guns are more likely to run away, and people WITHOUT guns, are more likely to jump in and try to stop the shooter. So ya. These good guys with guns are just pussies that never actually use them for good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Furedadmins@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well yeah if they weren't such gigantic cowards they wouldn't buy guns. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Polar@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ya. I live in Canada, and I've never felt the need to own a gun. We have a TON of hunting guns here, but I think the fact we don't allow open carry, changes the thought process of gun owners here, and we don't see them as weapons to point at other people. They are more so seen as a tool for a hobby, like a fishing rod is used for fishing. And honestly, if you avoid Toronto, violence in general is really low. Toronto is just.. special. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] piradianssquared@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago And honestly, if you avoid Toronto, violence in general is really low. Toronto is just… special. Toronto isn't even in the top ten most dangerous... permalink fedilink source parent [–] SheeEttin@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago That might be because people who own guns have had training in how not to get killed. I'm not sure that saying gun owners should be quicker to shoot people is the right direction. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Furedadmins@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well yeah if they weren't such gigantic cowards they wouldn't buy guns. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Polar@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ya. I live in Canada, and I've never felt the need to own a gun. We have a TON of hunting guns here, but I think the fact we don't allow open carry, changes the thought process of gun owners here, and we don't see them as weapons to point at other people. They are more so seen as a tool for a hobby, like a fishing rod is used for fishing. And honestly, if you avoid Toronto, violence in general is really low. Toronto is just.. special. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] piradianssquared@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago And honestly, if you avoid Toronto, violence in general is really low. Toronto is just… special. Toronto isn't even in the top ten most dangerous... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Polar@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ya. I live in Canada, and I've never felt the need to own a gun. We have a TON of hunting guns here, but I think the fact we don't allow open carry, changes the thought process of gun owners here, and we don't see them as weapons to point at other people. They are more so seen as a tool for a hobby, like a fishing rod is used for fishing. And honestly, if you avoid Toronto, violence in general is really low. Toronto is just.. special. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] piradianssquared@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago And honestly, if you avoid Toronto, violence in general is really low. Toronto is just… special. Toronto isn't even in the top ten most dangerous... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] piradianssquared@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago And honestly, if you avoid Toronto, violence in general is really low. Toronto is just… special. Toronto isn't even in the top ten most dangerous... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SheeEttin@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago That might be because people who own guns have had training in how not to get killed. I'm not sure that saying gun owners should be quicker to shoot people is the right direction. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) https://crimeresearch.org/2023/08/cases-where-armed-citizens-have-stopped-active-shooter-incidents/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) The real question is, of those ≈35 cases where an armed civilian stopped a shooter, how many did the cops then shoot the "good guy with a gun?" I know it's happened, and I think at least twice. Also 35/thousands is a rounding error. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago Mass shootings themselves are a rounding number, rounding numbers are what we're discussing. Also helps that they almost always choose gun free zones "for no reason" instead of "gun guaranteed zones." Almost like they don't want armed people shooting at them. And one or two, but just because the cops make an error, doesn't mean the person was wrong to save all those people. That's also why you're told to put the gun away once you've secured the situation, and you're supposed to give a visual description of the shooter when you call it in. You really think it's better to just let people cause whatever harm they want to than for them to stop the violent attacker? Even if it's just a guy with a knife who can "only kill less people than a guy with a gun," "if it even stops just one" right? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) The real question is, of those ≈35 cases where an armed civilian stopped a shooter, how many did the cops then shoot the "good guy with a gun?" I know it's happened, and I think at least twice. Also 35/thousands is a rounding error. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago Mass shootings themselves are a rounding number, rounding numbers are what we're discussing. Also helps that they almost always choose gun free zones "for no reason" instead of "gun guaranteed zones." Almost like they don't want armed people shooting at them. And one or two, but just because the cops make an error, doesn't mean the person was wrong to save all those people. That's also why you're told to put the gun away once you've secured the situation, and you're supposed to give a visual description of the shooter when you call it in. You really think it's better to just let people cause whatever harm they want to than for them to stop the violent attacker? Even if it's just a guy with a knife who can "only kill less people than a guy with a gun," "if it even stops just one" right? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago Mass shootings themselves are a rounding number, rounding numbers are what we're discussing. Also helps that they almost always choose gun free zones "for no reason" instead of "gun guaranteed zones." Almost like they don't want armed people shooting at them. And one or two, but just because the cops make an error, doesn't mean the person was wrong to save all those people. That's also why you're told to put the gun away once you've secured the situation, and you're supposed to give a visual description of the shooter when you call it in. You really think it's better to just let people cause whatever harm they want to than for them to stop the violent attacker? Even if it's just a guy with a knife who can "only kill less people than a guy with a gun," "if it even stops just one" right? permalink fedilink source parent