▲ 369 ▼ Pentagon reports more than 600 Iran war casualties in quiet database update (www.theguardian.com) submitted 1 day ago by Corvidae@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world 56 comments fedilink hide all child comments Figures are source of dispute as US defense department days ago reduced record of troops killed and wounded
[–] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 28 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children) The US being a villain doesn't make Iran a hero. It's an all-you-can-eat buffet of villainy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) Considering who overthrew the democratically elected leader of Iran, replacing him with the Shah, which was then overthrown by a popular Islamic revolution that put this bunch in power, the US not being the villain might very well have made Iran a hero. This without even considering that the posture of the various governments of the region, including Iran, is probably heavily shaped by over half a century of aggression by America and America-supported Israel in the region: who knows how things would be in Iran nowadays (considering that Persia and it's descendant, Iran, were pretty modern nations for that region) without the interference of America and the indirect pressure its violence all over that region put on even nations not directly bombed or invaded by it. Conversely, it's a lot harder to make the case that American posture and actions are the result of purely Iranian choices which were not the direct or indirect result of the choices of others. permalink fedilink source parent [–] moustachio@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (3 children) The thing is though, this is all an optional illegal war to distract from the Epstein files so the US’s child raping ruling class can continue to evade justice. The U.S. is absolutely more evil here. It’s not even close. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 day ago (3 children) I guess I forgot to consult my abacus. This isn't a game. We don't have to pick a side. The Iranian government is an oppressive regime that murders homosexuals, imprisons journalists, and represses women. Their citizens live under absolute censorship and face brutal, violent repression for dissent. We're meant to cheer for that now... because Epstein? Cover up their crimes? Pretend they're fighting for justice? Whether it's an immoral war of choice or people escaped justice for crimes associated with Epstein, why would we let it turn us into shittier people? Iran are not good guys. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] mirshafie@europe.pub 2 points 14 hours ago Do you think bombing Iran helps Iran's progressives? It's impossible to change Iran as long as the US is waiting to exploit the tiniest sign of weakness. permalink fedilink source parent [–] moustachio@lemmy.world 9 points 21 hours ago (1 child) The oppressive “regime” is irrelevant here. They are only being attacked because the real hostile state in the region: Israel wants us to because their blackmail operation got caught and they want to expand their borders. The U.S. and Israeli regimes are 100% in the wrong here, and Irans government is irrelevant to those facts. They’re not helping the people of Iran, they’re doing imperialism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 0 points 9 hours ago (1 child) Counterpoint: the oppressive regime is never irrelevant. The Iranian government cannot be irrelevant because the person I replied to initially was writing fiction about their behaviour. It's why we're having a conversation at all. Last I checked, no one here is arguing that the US or Israel are helping the Iranian people. But as I said before, the US (or Israel) being bad doesn't make Iran good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] moustachio@lemmy.world 0 points 6 hours ago (1 child) Oh you’re right… it’s totally worth spending 37bn+ on a war to protect US child raping ruling class from justice. Maybe there’s other countries you deem bad we can indiscriminately bomb on behalf of Israel? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 0 points 6 hours ago (1 child) It seems like you may be malfunctioning. That's a wild non-sequitur. Who are you having that conversation with? And why are you replying to me? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] moustachio@lemmy.world 1 point 5 hours ago You seem intent on pointing out Iran is bad, in spite of the fact that the reason it’s in the spotlight is mainly as a distraction from punishment at home. “Iran bad” is irrelevant to you. You are clearly not Iranian; it literally doesn’t matter what you think about Iranians government to compare them to the two governments that almost certainly relevant to you. They can deal with their own problems internally, and the imperialist two shithead governments deserve the full weight of criticism. So yeah, welcome to conversations online clearly you are new to them as people can discuss things, and reply to your comments. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 6 points 22 hours ago We picked a side in world war 2. Our side while fighting nazis had many state members colonizing other and doing massacres in colonized countries in africa permalink fedilink source parent [–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (1 child) The point being made is that it’s not a zero sum equation, though. That’s not a defense of the US. It’s pointing out a flaw in the logical and moral argument that’s being made. Personally, I’m on the side of Iranian civilians, but I have very, very little sympathy for the Iranian regime. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world -2 points 22 hours ago The truth the regime is the only things between a functional statr and a failed state where millions on iranian will die permalink fedilink source parent [–] fizzle@quokk.au -2 points 1 day ago (3 children) I don't think that's true at all. I mean the US has kinda rapidly descended towards being evil. Iran has been evil consistently since the revolution in '79. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] moustachio@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (1 child) The revolution that was a response to the USA staging a coup two decades earlier to install their oil-company-friendly dictator over their democratically elected leader that thought the oil profits should benefit the people instead of international oil companies? America ALWAYS been evil. It’s delusional to think it was “just recent!” permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fizzle@quokk.au -2 points 1 day ago (3 children) It's delusional to think that Iran is less evil than the US. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 17 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) The pile of corpses of either Israel or the US is many times higher than the pile of corpses of Iran. Israel is the closest to the NAZIs there is in behavior, including purposefully targeting children, whilst the US unwaveringly supports them and will themselves not really care enough about what they target with bombs to avoid killing children. Comparing the evilness of Iran to that of those two is like comparing the evilness of Somoza in Nicaragua with that of the NAZIs. permalink fedilink source parent [–] moustachio@lemmy.world 0 points 21 hours ago Even if that were true, Iran is irrelevant here. We are attacking them on behalf of a hostile state to the U.S. called Israel. We should be bombing Israel, not Iran. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 0 points 22 hours ago Is it not. The usa is responsible of millions of deaths permalink fedilink source parent [–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* I think the US government maybe has less "concentration of evil" but since its it got so many hands in so many pies the mass market scale of evil going on here is pretty brutal. Plus like Gaza makes the Saudi government look good by comparison. The Saudi government who regularly murders critics and has a bunch of insane laws to control people. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 0 points 22 hours ago Yes sure iran was not ruled by rvil before the revolution. The shah never kidnapped, tortured, raped and killed people \s. The usa was always evil. For example the illegal Vietnam war is older than the revolution permalink fedilink source parent [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 5 points 23 hours ago* It does actually. Similar to how the Allies and Soviets are the heroes of WW2 despite having their own share of problems. Most Iranian problems originate from US sanctions and Western meddling to begin with. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 day ago (1 child) It’s basically bad people doing bad things to other bad people. Which, if it were in a vacuum, I’d respond to with “have at it”. But the shitty part is that innocent bystanders are of course getting trapped in the middle and hit with indiscriminate splash damage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 0 points 22 hours ago (1 child) Was world war 2 bad people doing bad thibgs to other bad people? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 1 point 22 hours ago (1 child) I would say WW2 was fascists trying to empire build and ethnically cleanse as much of the world (though primarily, Europe and east Asia) as they could get their hands on, vs colonial powers who were (for the most part) on the decline, but didn’t like the idea of being subjected to an outright authoritarian fascist regime. The Allied powers had plenty of issues between them, and those issues should not be excused, but I would absolutely call them the unambiguous “good guys” in that scenario. And the response of the civilian populace pretty much everywhere outside of German and Japan to being liberated from German or Japanese rule kind of reflects that pretty clearly. Not to mention, the Italian populace was predominantly quite happy when the allies swept in and crushed the fascists, as evidenced by how Mussolini and his wife were very literally publicly lynched by enraged mobs. To put a finer point on it: if you’re trying to draw some false equivalence between Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, Imperial Japan, and any/all of the allied nations, you should get the fuck out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world -1 points 21 hours ago Same logic should be applied here yes the Iranian regime is a brutal regime that oppress it's people and even kill civilians who oppose the regime but in the context of this war the usa is the bad good , iran the unambiguous “good guys”. The person who should fuck off is you because you are showing your hypocrisy here. Minimizing what the allied force does and use soft criticism and language for it but can't do the same in the context Iran vs the USA . I am consistant despite all the massacres the allied forced does it what the right side to side with permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) Considering who overthrew the democratically elected leader of Iran, replacing him with the Shah, which was then overthrown by a popular Islamic revolution that put this bunch in power, the US not being the villain might very well have made Iran a hero. This without even considering that the posture of the various governments of the region, including Iran, is probably heavily shaped by over half a century of aggression by America and America-supported Israel in the region: who knows how things would be in Iran nowadays (considering that Persia and it's descendant, Iran, were pretty modern nations for that region) without the interference of America and the indirect pressure its violence all over that region put on even nations not directly bombed or invaded by it. Conversely, it's a lot harder to make the case that American posture and actions are the result of purely Iranian choices which were not the direct or indirect result of the choices of others. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] moustachio@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (3 children) The thing is though, this is all an optional illegal war to distract from the Epstein files so the US’s child raping ruling class can continue to evade justice. The U.S. is absolutely more evil here. It’s not even close. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 day ago (3 children) I guess I forgot to consult my abacus. This isn't a game. We don't have to pick a side. The Iranian government is an oppressive regime that murders homosexuals, imprisons journalists, and represses women. Their citizens live under absolute censorship and face brutal, violent repression for dissent. We're meant to cheer for that now... because Epstein? Cover up their crimes? Pretend they're fighting for justice? Whether it's an immoral war of choice or people escaped justice for crimes associated with Epstein, why would we let it turn us into shittier people? Iran are not good guys. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] mirshafie@europe.pub 2 points 14 hours ago Do you think bombing Iran helps Iran's progressives? It's impossible to change Iran as long as the US is waiting to exploit the tiniest sign of weakness. permalink fedilink source parent [–] moustachio@lemmy.world 9 points 21 hours ago (1 child) The oppressive “regime” is irrelevant here. They are only being attacked because the real hostile state in the region: Israel wants us to because their blackmail operation got caught and they want to expand their borders. The U.S. and Israeli regimes are 100% in the wrong here, and Irans government is irrelevant to those facts. They’re not helping the people of Iran, they’re doing imperialism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 0 points 9 hours ago (1 child) Counterpoint: the oppressive regime is never irrelevant. The Iranian government cannot be irrelevant because the person I replied to initially was writing fiction about their behaviour. It's why we're having a conversation at all. Last I checked, no one here is arguing that the US or Israel are helping the Iranian people. But as I said before, the US (or Israel) being bad doesn't make Iran good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] moustachio@lemmy.world 0 points 6 hours ago (1 child) Oh you’re right… it’s totally worth spending 37bn+ on a war to protect US child raping ruling class from justice. Maybe there’s other countries you deem bad we can indiscriminately bomb on behalf of Israel? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 0 points 6 hours ago (1 child) It seems like you may be malfunctioning. That's a wild non-sequitur. Who are you having that conversation with? And why are you replying to me? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] moustachio@lemmy.world 1 point 5 hours ago You seem intent on pointing out Iran is bad, in spite of the fact that the reason it’s in the spotlight is mainly as a distraction from punishment at home. “Iran bad” is irrelevant to you. You are clearly not Iranian; it literally doesn’t matter what you think about Iranians government to compare them to the two governments that almost certainly relevant to you. They can deal with their own problems internally, and the imperialist two shithead governments deserve the full weight of criticism. So yeah, welcome to conversations online clearly you are new to them as people can discuss things, and reply to your comments. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 6 points 22 hours ago We picked a side in world war 2. Our side while fighting nazis had many state members colonizing other and doing massacres in colonized countries in africa permalink fedilink source parent [–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (1 child) The point being made is that it’s not a zero sum equation, though. That’s not a defense of the US. It’s pointing out a flaw in the logical and moral argument that’s being made. Personally, I’m on the side of Iranian civilians, but I have very, very little sympathy for the Iranian regime. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world -2 points 22 hours ago The truth the regime is the only things between a functional statr and a failed state where millions on iranian will die permalink fedilink source parent [–] fizzle@quokk.au -2 points 1 day ago (3 children) I don't think that's true at all. I mean the US has kinda rapidly descended towards being evil. Iran has been evil consistently since the revolution in '79. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] moustachio@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (1 child) The revolution that was a response to the USA staging a coup two decades earlier to install their oil-company-friendly dictator over their democratically elected leader that thought the oil profits should benefit the people instead of international oil companies? America ALWAYS been evil. It’s delusional to think it was “just recent!” permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fizzle@quokk.au -2 points 1 day ago (3 children) It's delusional to think that Iran is less evil than the US. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 17 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) The pile of corpses of either Israel or the US is many times higher than the pile of corpses of Iran. Israel is the closest to the NAZIs there is in behavior, including purposefully targeting children, whilst the US unwaveringly supports them and will themselves not really care enough about what they target with bombs to avoid killing children. Comparing the evilness of Iran to that of those two is like comparing the evilness of Somoza in Nicaragua with that of the NAZIs. permalink fedilink source parent [–] moustachio@lemmy.world 0 points 21 hours ago Even if that were true, Iran is irrelevant here. We are attacking them on behalf of a hostile state to the U.S. called Israel. We should be bombing Israel, not Iran. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 0 points 22 hours ago Is it not. The usa is responsible of millions of deaths permalink fedilink source parent [–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* I think the US government maybe has less "concentration of evil" but since its it got so many hands in so many pies the mass market scale of evil going on here is pretty brutal. Plus like Gaza makes the Saudi government look good by comparison. The Saudi government who regularly murders critics and has a bunch of insane laws to control people. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 0 points 22 hours ago Yes sure iran was not ruled by rvil before the revolution. The shah never kidnapped, tortured, raped and killed people \s. The usa was always evil. For example the illegal Vietnam war is older than the revolution permalink fedilink source parent
[–] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 day ago (3 children) I guess I forgot to consult my abacus. This isn't a game. We don't have to pick a side. The Iranian government is an oppressive regime that murders homosexuals, imprisons journalists, and represses women. Their citizens live under absolute censorship and face brutal, violent repression for dissent. We're meant to cheer for that now... because Epstein? Cover up their crimes? Pretend they're fighting for justice? Whether it's an immoral war of choice or people escaped justice for crimes associated with Epstein, why would we let it turn us into shittier people? Iran are not good guys. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] mirshafie@europe.pub 2 points 14 hours ago Do you think bombing Iran helps Iran's progressives? It's impossible to change Iran as long as the US is waiting to exploit the tiniest sign of weakness. permalink fedilink source parent [–] moustachio@lemmy.world 9 points 21 hours ago (1 child) The oppressive “regime” is irrelevant here. They are only being attacked because the real hostile state in the region: Israel wants us to because their blackmail operation got caught and they want to expand their borders. The U.S. and Israeli regimes are 100% in the wrong here, and Irans government is irrelevant to those facts. They’re not helping the people of Iran, they’re doing imperialism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 0 points 9 hours ago (1 child) Counterpoint: the oppressive regime is never irrelevant. The Iranian government cannot be irrelevant because the person I replied to initially was writing fiction about their behaviour. It's why we're having a conversation at all. Last I checked, no one here is arguing that the US or Israel are helping the Iranian people. But as I said before, the US (or Israel) being bad doesn't make Iran good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] moustachio@lemmy.world 0 points 6 hours ago (1 child) Oh you’re right… it’s totally worth spending 37bn+ on a war to protect US child raping ruling class from justice. Maybe there’s other countries you deem bad we can indiscriminately bomb on behalf of Israel? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 0 points 6 hours ago (1 child) It seems like you may be malfunctioning. That's a wild non-sequitur. Who are you having that conversation with? And why are you replying to me? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] moustachio@lemmy.world 1 point 5 hours ago You seem intent on pointing out Iran is bad, in spite of the fact that the reason it’s in the spotlight is mainly as a distraction from punishment at home. “Iran bad” is irrelevant to you. You are clearly not Iranian; it literally doesn’t matter what you think about Iranians government to compare them to the two governments that almost certainly relevant to you. They can deal with their own problems internally, and the imperialist two shithead governments deserve the full weight of criticism. So yeah, welcome to conversations online clearly you are new to them as people can discuss things, and reply to your comments. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 6 points 22 hours ago We picked a side in world war 2. Our side while fighting nazis had many state members colonizing other and doing massacres in colonized countries in africa permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mirshafie@europe.pub 2 points 14 hours ago Do you think bombing Iran helps Iran's progressives? It's impossible to change Iran as long as the US is waiting to exploit the tiniest sign of weakness. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] moustachio@lemmy.world 9 points 21 hours ago (1 child) The oppressive “regime” is irrelevant here. They are only being attacked because the real hostile state in the region: Israel wants us to because their blackmail operation got caught and they want to expand their borders. The U.S. and Israeli regimes are 100% in the wrong here, and Irans government is irrelevant to those facts. They’re not helping the people of Iran, they’re doing imperialism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 0 points 9 hours ago (1 child) Counterpoint: the oppressive regime is never irrelevant. The Iranian government cannot be irrelevant because the person I replied to initially was writing fiction about their behaviour. It's why we're having a conversation at all. Last I checked, no one here is arguing that the US or Israel are helping the Iranian people. But as I said before, the US (or Israel) being bad doesn't make Iran good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] moustachio@lemmy.world 0 points 6 hours ago (1 child) Oh you’re right… it’s totally worth spending 37bn+ on a war to protect US child raping ruling class from justice. Maybe there’s other countries you deem bad we can indiscriminately bomb on behalf of Israel? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 0 points 6 hours ago (1 child) It seems like you may be malfunctioning. That's a wild non-sequitur. Who are you having that conversation with? And why are you replying to me? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] moustachio@lemmy.world 1 point 5 hours ago You seem intent on pointing out Iran is bad, in spite of the fact that the reason it’s in the spotlight is mainly as a distraction from punishment at home. “Iran bad” is irrelevant to you. You are clearly not Iranian; it literally doesn’t matter what you think about Iranians government to compare them to the two governments that almost certainly relevant to you. They can deal with their own problems internally, and the imperialist two shithead governments deserve the full weight of criticism. So yeah, welcome to conversations online clearly you are new to them as people can discuss things, and reply to your comments. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 0 points 9 hours ago (1 child) Counterpoint: the oppressive regime is never irrelevant. The Iranian government cannot be irrelevant because the person I replied to initially was writing fiction about their behaviour. It's why we're having a conversation at all. Last I checked, no one here is arguing that the US or Israel are helping the Iranian people. But as I said before, the US (or Israel) being bad doesn't make Iran good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] moustachio@lemmy.world 0 points 6 hours ago (1 child) Oh you’re right… it’s totally worth spending 37bn+ on a war to protect US child raping ruling class from justice. Maybe there’s other countries you deem bad we can indiscriminately bomb on behalf of Israel? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 0 points 6 hours ago (1 child) It seems like you may be malfunctioning. That's a wild non-sequitur. Who are you having that conversation with? And why are you replying to me? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] moustachio@lemmy.world 1 point 5 hours ago You seem intent on pointing out Iran is bad, in spite of the fact that the reason it’s in the spotlight is mainly as a distraction from punishment at home. “Iran bad” is irrelevant to you. You are clearly not Iranian; it literally doesn’t matter what you think about Iranians government to compare them to the two governments that almost certainly relevant to you. They can deal with their own problems internally, and the imperialist two shithead governments deserve the full weight of criticism. So yeah, welcome to conversations online clearly you are new to them as people can discuss things, and reply to your comments. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] moustachio@lemmy.world 0 points 6 hours ago (1 child) Oh you’re right… it’s totally worth spending 37bn+ on a war to protect US child raping ruling class from justice. Maybe there’s other countries you deem bad we can indiscriminately bomb on behalf of Israel? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 0 points 6 hours ago (1 child) It seems like you may be malfunctioning. That's a wild non-sequitur. Who are you having that conversation with? And why are you replying to me? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] moustachio@lemmy.world 1 point 5 hours ago You seem intent on pointing out Iran is bad, in spite of the fact that the reason it’s in the spotlight is mainly as a distraction from punishment at home. “Iran bad” is irrelevant to you. You are clearly not Iranian; it literally doesn’t matter what you think about Iranians government to compare them to the two governments that almost certainly relevant to you. They can deal with their own problems internally, and the imperialist two shithead governments deserve the full weight of criticism. So yeah, welcome to conversations online clearly you are new to them as people can discuss things, and reply to your comments. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 0 points 6 hours ago (1 child) It seems like you may be malfunctioning. That's a wild non-sequitur. Who are you having that conversation with? And why are you replying to me? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] moustachio@lemmy.world 1 point 5 hours ago You seem intent on pointing out Iran is bad, in spite of the fact that the reason it’s in the spotlight is mainly as a distraction from punishment at home. “Iran bad” is irrelevant to you. You are clearly not Iranian; it literally doesn’t matter what you think about Iranians government to compare them to the two governments that almost certainly relevant to you. They can deal with their own problems internally, and the imperialist two shithead governments deserve the full weight of criticism. So yeah, welcome to conversations online clearly you are new to them as people can discuss things, and reply to your comments. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] moustachio@lemmy.world 1 point 5 hours ago You seem intent on pointing out Iran is bad, in spite of the fact that the reason it’s in the spotlight is mainly as a distraction from punishment at home. “Iran bad” is irrelevant to you. You are clearly not Iranian; it literally doesn’t matter what you think about Iranians government to compare them to the two governments that almost certainly relevant to you. They can deal with their own problems internally, and the imperialist two shithead governments deserve the full weight of criticism. So yeah, welcome to conversations online clearly you are new to them as people can discuss things, and reply to your comments. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 6 points 22 hours ago We picked a side in world war 2. Our side while fighting nazis had many state members colonizing other and doing massacres in colonized countries in africa permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (1 child) The point being made is that it’s not a zero sum equation, though. That’s not a defense of the US. It’s pointing out a flaw in the logical and moral argument that’s being made. Personally, I’m on the side of Iranian civilians, but I have very, very little sympathy for the Iranian regime. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world -2 points 22 hours ago The truth the regime is the only things between a functional statr and a failed state where millions on iranian will die permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mrdown@lemmy.world -2 points 22 hours ago The truth the regime is the only things between a functional statr and a failed state where millions on iranian will die permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fizzle@quokk.au -2 points 1 day ago (3 children) I don't think that's true at all. I mean the US has kinda rapidly descended towards being evil. Iran has been evil consistently since the revolution in '79. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] moustachio@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (1 child) The revolution that was a response to the USA staging a coup two decades earlier to install their oil-company-friendly dictator over their democratically elected leader that thought the oil profits should benefit the people instead of international oil companies? America ALWAYS been evil. It’s delusional to think it was “just recent!” permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fizzle@quokk.au -2 points 1 day ago (3 children) It's delusional to think that Iran is less evil than the US. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 17 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) The pile of corpses of either Israel or the US is many times higher than the pile of corpses of Iran. Israel is the closest to the NAZIs there is in behavior, including purposefully targeting children, whilst the US unwaveringly supports them and will themselves not really care enough about what they target with bombs to avoid killing children. Comparing the evilness of Iran to that of those two is like comparing the evilness of Somoza in Nicaragua with that of the NAZIs. permalink fedilink source parent [–] moustachio@lemmy.world 0 points 21 hours ago Even if that were true, Iran is irrelevant here. We are attacking them on behalf of a hostile state to the U.S. called Israel. We should be bombing Israel, not Iran. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 0 points 22 hours ago Is it not. The usa is responsible of millions of deaths permalink fedilink source parent [–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* I think the US government maybe has less "concentration of evil" but since its it got so many hands in so many pies the mass market scale of evil going on here is pretty brutal. Plus like Gaza makes the Saudi government look good by comparison. The Saudi government who regularly murders critics and has a bunch of insane laws to control people. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 0 points 22 hours ago Yes sure iran was not ruled by rvil before the revolution. The shah never kidnapped, tortured, raped and killed people \s. The usa was always evil. For example the illegal Vietnam war is older than the revolution permalink fedilink source parent
[–] moustachio@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (1 child) The revolution that was a response to the USA staging a coup two decades earlier to install their oil-company-friendly dictator over their democratically elected leader that thought the oil profits should benefit the people instead of international oil companies? America ALWAYS been evil. It’s delusional to think it was “just recent!” permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fizzle@quokk.au -2 points 1 day ago (3 children) It's delusional to think that Iran is less evil than the US. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 17 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) The pile of corpses of either Israel or the US is many times higher than the pile of corpses of Iran. Israel is the closest to the NAZIs there is in behavior, including purposefully targeting children, whilst the US unwaveringly supports them and will themselves not really care enough about what they target with bombs to avoid killing children. Comparing the evilness of Iran to that of those two is like comparing the evilness of Somoza in Nicaragua with that of the NAZIs. permalink fedilink source parent [–] moustachio@lemmy.world 0 points 21 hours ago Even if that were true, Iran is irrelevant here. We are attacking them on behalf of a hostile state to the U.S. called Israel. We should be bombing Israel, not Iran. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 0 points 22 hours ago Is it not. The usa is responsible of millions of deaths permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fizzle@quokk.au -2 points 1 day ago (3 children) It's delusional to think that Iran is less evil than the US. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 17 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) The pile of corpses of either Israel or the US is many times higher than the pile of corpses of Iran. Israel is the closest to the NAZIs there is in behavior, including purposefully targeting children, whilst the US unwaveringly supports them and will themselves not really care enough about what they target with bombs to avoid killing children. Comparing the evilness of Iran to that of those two is like comparing the evilness of Somoza in Nicaragua with that of the NAZIs. permalink fedilink source parent [–] moustachio@lemmy.world 0 points 21 hours ago Even if that were true, Iran is irrelevant here. We are attacking them on behalf of a hostile state to the U.S. called Israel. We should be bombing Israel, not Iran. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 0 points 22 hours ago Is it not. The usa is responsible of millions of deaths permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 17 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) The pile of corpses of either Israel or the US is many times higher than the pile of corpses of Iran. Israel is the closest to the NAZIs there is in behavior, including purposefully targeting children, whilst the US unwaveringly supports them and will themselves not really care enough about what they target with bombs to avoid killing children. Comparing the evilness of Iran to that of those two is like comparing the evilness of Somoza in Nicaragua with that of the NAZIs. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] moustachio@lemmy.world 0 points 21 hours ago Even if that were true, Iran is irrelevant here. We are attacking them on behalf of a hostile state to the U.S. called Israel. We should be bombing Israel, not Iran. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 0 points 22 hours ago Is it not. The usa is responsible of millions of deaths permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* I think the US government maybe has less "concentration of evil" but since its it got so many hands in so many pies the mass market scale of evil going on here is pretty brutal. Plus like Gaza makes the Saudi government look good by comparison. The Saudi government who regularly murders critics and has a bunch of insane laws to control people. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 0 points 22 hours ago Yes sure iran was not ruled by rvil before the revolution. The shah never kidnapped, tortured, raped and killed people \s. The usa was always evil. For example the illegal Vietnam war is older than the revolution permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 5 points 23 hours ago* It does actually. Similar to how the Allies and Soviets are the heroes of WW2 despite having their own share of problems. Most Iranian problems originate from US sanctions and Western meddling to begin with. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 day ago (1 child) It’s basically bad people doing bad things to other bad people. Which, if it were in a vacuum, I’d respond to with “have at it”. But the shitty part is that innocent bystanders are of course getting trapped in the middle and hit with indiscriminate splash damage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 0 points 22 hours ago (1 child) Was world war 2 bad people doing bad thibgs to other bad people? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 1 point 22 hours ago (1 child) I would say WW2 was fascists trying to empire build and ethnically cleanse as much of the world (though primarily, Europe and east Asia) as they could get their hands on, vs colonial powers who were (for the most part) on the decline, but didn’t like the idea of being subjected to an outright authoritarian fascist regime. The Allied powers had plenty of issues between them, and those issues should not be excused, but I would absolutely call them the unambiguous “good guys” in that scenario. And the response of the civilian populace pretty much everywhere outside of German and Japan to being liberated from German or Japanese rule kind of reflects that pretty clearly. Not to mention, the Italian populace was predominantly quite happy when the allies swept in and crushed the fascists, as evidenced by how Mussolini and his wife were very literally publicly lynched by enraged mobs. To put a finer point on it: if you’re trying to draw some false equivalence between Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, Imperial Japan, and any/all of the allied nations, you should get the fuck out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world -1 points 21 hours ago Same logic should be applied here yes the Iranian regime is a brutal regime that oppress it's people and even kill civilians who oppose the regime but in the context of this war the usa is the bad good , iran the unambiguous “good guys”. The person who should fuck off is you because you are showing your hypocrisy here. Minimizing what the allied force does and use soft criticism and language for it but can't do the same in the context Iran vs the USA . I am consistant despite all the massacres the allied forced does it what the right side to side with permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 0 points 22 hours ago (1 child) Was world war 2 bad people doing bad thibgs to other bad people? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 1 point 22 hours ago (1 child) I would say WW2 was fascists trying to empire build and ethnically cleanse as much of the world (though primarily, Europe and east Asia) as they could get their hands on, vs colonial powers who were (for the most part) on the decline, but didn’t like the idea of being subjected to an outright authoritarian fascist regime. The Allied powers had plenty of issues between them, and those issues should not be excused, but I would absolutely call them the unambiguous “good guys” in that scenario. And the response of the civilian populace pretty much everywhere outside of German and Japan to being liberated from German or Japanese rule kind of reflects that pretty clearly. Not to mention, the Italian populace was predominantly quite happy when the allies swept in and crushed the fascists, as evidenced by how Mussolini and his wife were very literally publicly lynched by enraged mobs. To put a finer point on it: if you’re trying to draw some false equivalence between Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, Imperial Japan, and any/all of the allied nations, you should get the fuck out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world -1 points 21 hours ago Same logic should be applied here yes the Iranian regime is a brutal regime that oppress it's people and even kill civilians who oppose the regime but in the context of this war the usa is the bad good , iran the unambiguous “good guys”. The person who should fuck off is you because you are showing your hypocrisy here. Minimizing what the allied force does and use soft criticism and language for it but can't do the same in the context Iran vs the USA . I am consistant despite all the massacres the allied forced does it what the right side to side with permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 1 point 22 hours ago (1 child) I would say WW2 was fascists trying to empire build and ethnically cleanse as much of the world (though primarily, Europe and east Asia) as they could get their hands on, vs colonial powers who were (for the most part) on the decline, but didn’t like the idea of being subjected to an outright authoritarian fascist regime. The Allied powers had plenty of issues between them, and those issues should not be excused, but I would absolutely call them the unambiguous “good guys” in that scenario. And the response of the civilian populace pretty much everywhere outside of German and Japan to being liberated from German or Japanese rule kind of reflects that pretty clearly. Not to mention, the Italian populace was predominantly quite happy when the allies swept in and crushed the fascists, as evidenced by how Mussolini and his wife were very literally publicly lynched by enraged mobs. To put a finer point on it: if you’re trying to draw some false equivalence between Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, Imperial Japan, and any/all of the allied nations, you should get the fuck out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world -1 points 21 hours ago Same logic should be applied here yes the Iranian regime is a brutal regime that oppress it's people and even kill civilians who oppose the regime but in the context of this war the usa is the bad good , iran the unambiguous “good guys”. The person who should fuck off is you because you are showing your hypocrisy here. Minimizing what the allied force does and use soft criticism and language for it but can't do the same in the context Iran vs the USA . I am consistant despite all the massacres the allied forced does it what the right side to side with permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mrdown@lemmy.world -1 points 21 hours ago Same logic should be applied here yes the Iranian regime is a brutal regime that oppress it's people and even kill civilians who oppose the regime but in the context of this war the usa is the bad good , iran the unambiguous “good guys”. The person who should fuck off is you because you are showing your hypocrisy here. Minimizing what the allied force does and use soft criticism and language for it but can't do the same in the context Iran vs the USA . I am consistant despite all the massacres the allied forced does it what the right side to side with permalink fedilink source parent