the trojan fan (media.piefed.social)
submitted 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) by to c/lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world
 
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[–] 148 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (14 children)

Its true there is a fan in the base of all bladeless fans, but the fan is smaller then traditional fan designs and moves the same if not more air then traditional fans.

Air is pulled in through the base and forced through a thin slit. This fast stream of air creates an area of low pressure, drawing in and amplifying surrounding air behind the slits.

Because air "sticks" to itself, when you get some air moving (by breathing out, for example), the initial bit of air that you move "drags" some air with it from beside and behind. This is what Dyson calls "air multiplier technology".

Dyson uses this property of air to claim that they only have to move a fraction of air (with the fan in the base) of all the air that blows past you.

Here is a example of how this works, and how you can use one breath to fill a large bag.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAAelB7nN14

Here is a image of the multiplier effect, from the original intake of air at the bottom. You can see the air is multiplied from behind and infront of the fan.

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  • [–] 126 points 6 days ago (18 children)

    still a miss-labeling to call them bladeless fans, just because the blades are hidden. by that logic my beef raviolis are vegetarian (tbf: the catholic church made a similar claim during the medieval ages).

    Bernoulli Fan is not only more accurate, it also sounds much cooler.

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  • [–] 62 points 6 days ago (3 children)

    To play devil's advocate, there are no exposed blades at the point of use. I'd wager people who buy "bladeless" fans are more concerned with aesthetics and avoiding a crying toddler than they are with semantic accuracy. We call Wi-Fi "wireless" even though the router is plugged in.

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  • [–] 29 points 6 days ago (2 children)

    I can stick my peepee into a bladeless fan and not worry about cuts so there's that.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 days ago (1 child)

    well, no, see, you can't.

    you can stick it through it. but you can't stick it in it.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 days ago

    at work we have expensive fans with a cheap metal mesh around them - to avoid a crying co-worker. at home i have a cheap tower fan with a weird plastic mesh - there are no visible blades on it except if i crank my neck into a really uncomfortable position and shine a flashlight into it. which one of the two can i call bladeless?

    luckily i already have a devils advocate and @arctanthrope@lemmy.world dropped the name of god. how well do i need to hide my fans blade to create a Ventilationbescheißerle?

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  • [–] 28 points 6 days ago (2 children)

    there's a type of German meat dumplings called Herrgottsbescheißerle, which literally means "little things that bullshit the Lord" for the same reason

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  • [–] 2 points 5 days ago*

    That's just a nickname, they are called Maultaschen 99.9% of the time.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maultaschen

    They are basically very large ravioli, but with a more German flavor (for lack of a better word). As far as I know, the origin story is more legend than fact, but it's a funny anecdote nevertheless.

    Very tasty, I recommend giving them a try if you ever have the chance. Vegetarian and vegan versions are available BTW (at least in Germany).

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  • [–] 53 points 6 days ago* (4 children)

    A traditional fan also pulls air from around its blades using the same principal. A bladeless is just a gimmick it has no actual benefits.

    Here's a video on the subject:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySSo5PmZZJM

    It turns out, a bladeless fan is even less efficient than a traditional one. It works better, when you remove the casing.

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  • [–] 17 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

    It's also just Dyson's completely overpriced bullshit. It makes weak air flow and has no real benefit for use as a fan.

    Project Farm has tested them a couple different times. They're expensive aesthetic toys.

    *Edit: While I'm on a bit of a Dyson rant; I'd just like to also say that I HATE their hand dryers that some places bathrooms use.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 days ago (8 children)

    Smaller fans = more noise

    And why isn't a regular fan getting the "surrounding air" to move too? Is there a subscription for that?

    It's most probably dyson bullshit (the moved extra air is slowing the original air down, or it's magic) marketing.

    Magnets!

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  • [–] 6 points 5 days ago (1 child)

    Speaking of the dyson. IMO one of the worst fans out there: extremely weak (see measurements on YouTube), extremely loud and very fragile... Have one in the office, and I hate it...

    A classic fan, fraction of the price performs better in all relevant categories...

    Btw. They also create a "bigger" airflow around them so in that regard not better...

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  • [–] 6 points 5 days ago (5 children)

    I've never really understood this multiplayer thing, sounds like a free energy gimmick. You can move more mass at the same speed without putting in more power.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 days ago

    Basically they're trying to claim that the Bernoulli principle is some amazing concept that only they've come up with.

    Their fans do work in the sense they do move more air but it creates so much back pressure that most of that air movement is lost. So you might as well not bother.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 days ago (3 children)

    You're basically trading energy to move higher volume of air. The fan can move smaller amount of air at higher speed, but larger amount at a gentle breeze feels nicer and helps with circulating the air in the room better.

    You could achieve it by taking that exact motor and slapping a bigger fan onto it, but that looks less cool and probably produces more noise? Maybe there's some efficiency differences if the motor is better at spinning fast, but as a spherical cow in vacuum it should be similar.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 days ago

    So it's like a lever, you aren't just magically getting more volume at the same speed without more power, it just slows down when interacting with the outside air, ie conservation of momentum

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  • [–] 8 points 6 days ago (4 children)

    Fans are usually loud in proportion to their speed. Quiet ceiling fans have a big diameter and many blades. Doesn't a small fan cause a lot of noise?

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