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[–] Saapas@piefed.zip 56 points 1 month ago* (4 children) I mean, what if the Bad People are Nazis permalink fedilink source hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] mech@feddit.org 35 points 1 month ago (10 children) Unpopular opinion: Universal human rights apply to all humans, including Nazis. Dehumanizing people and denying them their human rights is what Nazis do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] echodot@feddit.uk 39 points 1 month ago* (18 children) Nazis do have human rights. Including the right to be punished for their actions. Just like everyone else. But if the governments don't punish them for their actions then don't be surprised if people take matters into their own hands. Which again, would happen to any group of people that were perceived as having too much power and being given too much leeway by the government, regardless of political beliefs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] tabarnaski@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago A right is something you can claim for yourself. "Being punished for your actions" is not a right. I'd even argue that, from a political/social standpoint, punishment shouldn't be the goal: at a minimum, we should seek to reeducate, and if that fails, isolation is the way to go. That being said, at the individual level, I wholeheartedly condone the punching of nazis. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (17 replies) [–] desra@lemmy.vg 18 points 1 month ago (1 child) I'll agree this should be an unpopular opinion. When they deny the rights of others, they forfeit their own. Society is generally based on social contracts regarding human decency, respect and what apparently are more extreme ideas like compassion and empathy. It's an agreement to be a part of a community, not to exploit it for selfish gain. If they want to do that, at the very least they should be exiled and allowed only care about themselves by themselves. We need to stop tolerating intolerance. If you're harmful to our species letalone our planet that we share with so many others, part present and future, ostracize or eradicate. This high road shit has gotten use nowhere in the entirety of our planets history but right here where monsters are allowed and encouraged to reign. I'll also agree to step up to the chopping block if it means I take some of these assholes to hell hand in hand with me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mech@feddit.org 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (15 children) Granting someone human rights IS NOT tolerance. And it's not high road shit. When Nazis attack your state with an army, shoot them in defense. When they attack your society, arrest them, give them a trial, lock them up and seize all assets they used. Inestigate their support network and shut that down. Ban Nazi parties, clubs and groups. Also, fund organisations that help people trying to get out of the Nazi community. The problem we have isn't that those measures aren't enough. It's that we don't even do those things, because our politicians are actually in league with them or afraid of them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 month ago When they attack your society, arrest them, give them a trial, lock them up and seize all assets they used. Inestigate their support network and shut that down. Ban Nazi parties, clubs and groups. This. Does. Not. Work. permalink fedilink source parent [–] DarthFrodo@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (3 children) Does that mean that from your perspective, the US shouldn't have attacked and defeated the Nazis in WW2 and should have allowed them to stay in power and do their thing instead? This kinda seems like preferring to sacrifice the human rights of the innocent, to protect the human rights of their murderers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies) load more comments (13 replies) [–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago "Universal" human rights can be forfeited by the individual by attempting to restrict another's rights. Done and done. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 month ago Lets debate the SS in the marketplace of ideas... permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheparishofChigwell@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago It is sad for us to have to go through such trauma but violently murdering fascists is not dehumanizing. We are honouring them by believing the true extent of their evil, respecting their decision by reacting truthful to reality. It's inhumane to let such sick individuals believe they might be right, when they believe in power being absolute. Natural order is what they want, why deny them? permalink fedilink source parent [–] s@piefed.world 5 points 1 month ago (4 children) Trolley problem — save the human rights of billions by sacrificing the human rights of the few who want to tie all of these people to the trolley tracks permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) [–] Saapas@piefed.zip 3 points 1 month ago (2 children) Doesn't seem like a very unpopular opinion tbh permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FishFace@piefed.social 6 points 1 month ago (6 children) If you push back on "punch a nazi" you'll find how unpopular it is quite quickly permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Zwiebel@feddit.org 6 points 1 month ago (3 children) We are pushing back on "kill everyone accused of being a nazi". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FishFace@piefed.social 3 points 1 month ago So you see how the OP's caption didn't mention anything about mere accusations, and implicitly assumed that the speaker could discern good from evil? And we then had to point out that in practice it's accusations, not objective fact? And do you see how the person at the top of this comment chain started at the basis of fundamental human rights, which not include the right to life, but also the right not to be assaulted? So, the difference you are seeing is not a meaningful one. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) load more comments (5 replies) [–] mech@feddit.org 5 points 1 month ago (2 children) Without context, it isn't. As soon as I post it in a thread about Nazis doing Nazi shit, I get downvoted to hell. Same with my anti-war stance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] echodot@feddit.uk 11 points 1 month ago (1 child) Context is critical though. Often times I see people say things like "we shouldn't stoop to their levels" which, like yeah, we shouldn't have to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EggInDisguise@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 month ago (1 child) The moral high road is filled with corpses. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] echodot@feddit.uk 4 points 1 month ago (1 child) It doesn't have to, but things have been allowed to get too far out of control, the political left have not pushed back enough and now we've got people doing nazi salutes out in the open. We are past the point of being able to deal with this to the legal system because the legal system has been co-opted. I don't know what people like you want. How do you want this situation resolving because all you ever say is what you don't want, you don't want violence, okay fine so how do you want to proceed? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EggInDisguise@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 month ago Lmao why do you think there are corpses filling it? they're too busy playing by the rules and getting killed with nobody caring, because "we're better than all that" is a dumb notion that ultimately makes you a pushover that wouldn't pull the trigger to save 1000 people. permalink fedilink source parent [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 month ago As soon as I post it in a thread about Nazis doing Nazi shit, I get downvoted to hell. Gee, I wonder why permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (3 replies) [–] gurty@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago (6 children) “Everyone I don’t agree with is a nazi therefore I am justified” permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip 39 points 1 month ago (2 children) That's the flipside, but also, some people are Nazis permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 month ago (11 children) Yeah, Musk and Thiel both went to Nazi grooming schools In Apartheid South Africa. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments load more comments (11 replies) [–] edible_funk@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago A fucking lot of them these days. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (5 replies) [–] Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 month ago (1 child) this is a poorly cropped repost from tumblr, there is no critical thinking here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bizarroland@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (1 child) Which is funny because if people listened to what you said and followed your instructions, then there literally would be no critical thinking here. Whereas if you choose to utilize critical thinking, you would not actually dismiss this thing entirely simply because it came from Tumblr because that is a logical fallacy called poisoning the well. And if all it took to stop critical thinking for anybody was just saying, oh it comes from a bad place, then nobody would ever really do any critical thinking, right? So let's ignore where it comes from and talk about the topic that's actually being presented, ok? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply)
[–] mech@feddit.org 35 points 1 month ago (10 children) Unpopular opinion: Universal human rights apply to all humans, including Nazis. Dehumanizing people and denying them their human rights is what Nazis do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] echodot@feddit.uk 39 points 1 month ago* (18 children) Nazis do have human rights. Including the right to be punished for their actions. Just like everyone else. But if the governments don't punish them for their actions then don't be surprised if people take matters into their own hands. Which again, would happen to any group of people that were perceived as having too much power and being given too much leeway by the government, regardless of political beliefs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] tabarnaski@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago A right is something you can claim for yourself. "Being punished for your actions" is not a right. I'd even argue that, from a political/social standpoint, punishment shouldn't be the goal: at a minimum, we should seek to reeducate, and if that fails, isolation is the way to go. That being said, at the individual level, I wholeheartedly condone the punching of nazis. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (17 replies) [–] desra@lemmy.vg 18 points 1 month ago (1 child) I'll agree this should be an unpopular opinion. When they deny the rights of others, they forfeit their own. Society is generally based on social contracts regarding human decency, respect and what apparently are more extreme ideas like compassion and empathy. It's an agreement to be a part of a community, not to exploit it for selfish gain. If they want to do that, at the very least they should be exiled and allowed only care about themselves by themselves. We need to stop tolerating intolerance. If you're harmful to our species letalone our planet that we share with so many others, part present and future, ostracize or eradicate. This high road shit has gotten use nowhere in the entirety of our planets history but right here where monsters are allowed and encouraged to reign. I'll also agree to step up to the chopping block if it means I take some of these assholes to hell hand in hand with me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mech@feddit.org 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (15 children) Granting someone human rights IS NOT tolerance. And it's not high road shit. When Nazis attack your state with an army, shoot them in defense. When they attack your society, arrest them, give them a trial, lock them up and seize all assets they used. Inestigate their support network and shut that down. Ban Nazi parties, clubs and groups. Also, fund organisations that help people trying to get out of the Nazi community. The problem we have isn't that those measures aren't enough. It's that we don't even do those things, because our politicians are actually in league with them or afraid of them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 month ago When they attack your society, arrest them, give them a trial, lock them up and seize all assets they used. Inestigate their support network and shut that down. Ban Nazi parties, clubs and groups. This. Does. Not. Work. permalink fedilink source parent [–] DarthFrodo@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (3 children) Does that mean that from your perspective, the US shouldn't have attacked and defeated the Nazis in WW2 and should have allowed them to stay in power and do their thing instead? This kinda seems like preferring to sacrifice the human rights of the innocent, to protect the human rights of their murderers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies) load more comments (13 replies) [–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago "Universal" human rights can be forfeited by the individual by attempting to restrict another's rights. Done and done. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 month ago Lets debate the SS in the marketplace of ideas... permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheparishofChigwell@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago It is sad for us to have to go through such trauma but violently murdering fascists is not dehumanizing. We are honouring them by believing the true extent of their evil, respecting their decision by reacting truthful to reality. It's inhumane to let such sick individuals believe they might be right, when they believe in power being absolute. Natural order is what they want, why deny them? permalink fedilink source parent [–] s@piefed.world 5 points 1 month ago (4 children) Trolley problem — save the human rights of billions by sacrificing the human rights of the few who want to tie all of these people to the trolley tracks permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) [–] Saapas@piefed.zip 3 points 1 month ago (2 children) Doesn't seem like a very unpopular opinion tbh permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FishFace@piefed.social 6 points 1 month ago (6 children) If you push back on "punch a nazi" you'll find how unpopular it is quite quickly permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Zwiebel@feddit.org 6 points 1 month ago (3 children) We are pushing back on "kill everyone accused of being a nazi". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FishFace@piefed.social 3 points 1 month ago So you see how the OP's caption didn't mention anything about mere accusations, and implicitly assumed that the speaker could discern good from evil? And we then had to point out that in practice it's accusations, not objective fact? And do you see how the person at the top of this comment chain started at the basis of fundamental human rights, which not include the right to life, but also the right not to be assaulted? So, the difference you are seeing is not a meaningful one. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) load more comments (5 replies) [–] mech@feddit.org 5 points 1 month ago (2 children) Without context, it isn't. As soon as I post it in a thread about Nazis doing Nazi shit, I get downvoted to hell. Same with my anti-war stance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] echodot@feddit.uk 11 points 1 month ago (1 child) Context is critical though. Often times I see people say things like "we shouldn't stoop to their levels" which, like yeah, we shouldn't have to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EggInDisguise@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 month ago (1 child) The moral high road is filled with corpses. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] echodot@feddit.uk 4 points 1 month ago (1 child) It doesn't have to, but things have been allowed to get too far out of control, the political left have not pushed back enough and now we've got people doing nazi salutes out in the open. We are past the point of being able to deal with this to the legal system because the legal system has been co-opted. I don't know what people like you want. How do you want this situation resolving because all you ever say is what you don't want, you don't want violence, okay fine so how do you want to proceed? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EggInDisguise@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 month ago Lmao why do you think there are corpses filling it? they're too busy playing by the rules and getting killed with nobody caring, because "we're better than all that" is a dumb notion that ultimately makes you a pushover that wouldn't pull the trigger to save 1000 people. permalink fedilink source parent [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 month ago As soon as I post it in a thread about Nazis doing Nazi shit, I get downvoted to hell. Gee, I wonder why permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (3 replies)
[–] echodot@feddit.uk 39 points 1 month ago* (18 children) Nazis do have human rights. Including the right to be punished for their actions. Just like everyone else. But if the governments don't punish them for their actions then don't be surprised if people take matters into their own hands. Which again, would happen to any group of people that were perceived as having too much power and being given too much leeway by the government, regardless of political beliefs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] tabarnaski@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago A right is something you can claim for yourself. "Being punished for your actions" is not a right. I'd even argue that, from a political/social standpoint, punishment shouldn't be the goal: at a minimum, we should seek to reeducate, and if that fails, isolation is the way to go. That being said, at the individual level, I wholeheartedly condone the punching of nazis. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (17 replies)
[–] tabarnaski@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago A right is something you can claim for yourself. "Being punished for your actions" is not a right. I'd even argue that, from a political/social standpoint, punishment shouldn't be the goal: at a minimum, we should seek to reeducate, and if that fails, isolation is the way to go. That being said, at the individual level, I wholeheartedly condone the punching of nazis. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] desra@lemmy.vg 18 points 1 month ago (1 child) I'll agree this should be an unpopular opinion. When they deny the rights of others, they forfeit their own. Society is generally based on social contracts regarding human decency, respect and what apparently are more extreme ideas like compassion and empathy. It's an agreement to be a part of a community, not to exploit it for selfish gain. If they want to do that, at the very least they should be exiled and allowed only care about themselves by themselves. We need to stop tolerating intolerance. If you're harmful to our species letalone our planet that we share with so many others, part present and future, ostracize or eradicate. This high road shit has gotten use nowhere in the entirety of our planets history but right here where monsters are allowed and encouraged to reign. I'll also agree to step up to the chopping block if it means I take some of these assholes to hell hand in hand with me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mech@feddit.org 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (15 children) Granting someone human rights IS NOT tolerance. And it's not high road shit. When Nazis attack your state with an army, shoot them in defense. When they attack your society, arrest them, give them a trial, lock them up and seize all assets they used. Inestigate their support network and shut that down. Ban Nazi parties, clubs and groups. Also, fund organisations that help people trying to get out of the Nazi community. The problem we have isn't that those measures aren't enough. It's that we don't even do those things, because our politicians are actually in league with them or afraid of them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 month ago When they attack your society, arrest them, give them a trial, lock them up and seize all assets they used. Inestigate their support network and shut that down. Ban Nazi parties, clubs and groups. This. Does. Not. Work. permalink fedilink source parent [–] DarthFrodo@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (3 children) Does that mean that from your perspective, the US shouldn't have attacked and defeated the Nazis in WW2 and should have allowed them to stay in power and do their thing instead? This kinda seems like preferring to sacrifice the human rights of the innocent, to protect the human rights of their murderers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies) load more comments (13 replies)
[–] mech@feddit.org 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (15 children) Granting someone human rights IS NOT tolerance. And it's not high road shit. When Nazis attack your state with an army, shoot them in defense. When they attack your society, arrest them, give them a trial, lock them up and seize all assets they used. Inestigate their support network and shut that down. Ban Nazi parties, clubs and groups. Also, fund organisations that help people trying to get out of the Nazi community. The problem we have isn't that those measures aren't enough. It's that we don't even do those things, because our politicians are actually in league with them or afraid of them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 month ago When they attack your society, arrest them, give them a trial, lock them up and seize all assets they used. Inestigate their support network and shut that down. Ban Nazi parties, clubs and groups. This. Does. Not. Work. permalink fedilink source parent [–] DarthFrodo@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (3 children) Does that mean that from your perspective, the US shouldn't have attacked and defeated the Nazis in WW2 and should have allowed them to stay in power and do their thing instead? This kinda seems like preferring to sacrifice the human rights of the innocent, to protect the human rights of their murderers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies) load more comments (13 replies)
[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 month ago When they attack your society, arrest them, give them a trial, lock them up and seize all assets they used. Inestigate their support network and shut that down. Ban Nazi parties, clubs and groups. This. Does. Not. Work. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DarthFrodo@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (3 children) Does that mean that from your perspective, the US shouldn't have attacked and defeated the Nazis in WW2 and should have allowed them to stay in power and do their thing instead? This kinda seems like preferring to sacrifice the human rights of the innocent, to protect the human rights of their murderers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies)
[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago "Universal" human rights can be forfeited by the individual by attempting to restrict another's rights. Done and done. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 month ago Lets debate the SS in the marketplace of ideas... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheparishofChigwell@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago It is sad for us to have to go through such trauma but violently murdering fascists is not dehumanizing. We are honouring them by believing the true extent of their evil, respecting their decision by reacting truthful to reality. It's inhumane to let such sick individuals believe they might be right, when they believe in power being absolute. Natural order is what they want, why deny them? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] s@piefed.world 5 points 1 month ago (4 children) Trolley problem — save the human rights of billions by sacrificing the human rights of the few who want to tie all of these people to the trolley tracks permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies)
[–] Saapas@piefed.zip 3 points 1 month ago (2 children) Doesn't seem like a very unpopular opinion tbh permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FishFace@piefed.social 6 points 1 month ago (6 children) If you push back on "punch a nazi" you'll find how unpopular it is quite quickly permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Zwiebel@feddit.org 6 points 1 month ago (3 children) We are pushing back on "kill everyone accused of being a nazi". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FishFace@piefed.social 3 points 1 month ago So you see how the OP's caption didn't mention anything about mere accusations, and implicitly assumed that the speaker could discern good from evil? And we then had to point out that in practice it's accusations, not objective fact? And do you see how the person at the top of this comment chain started at the basis of fundamental human rights, which not include the right to life, but also the right not to be assaulted? So, the difference you are seeing is not a meaningful one. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) load more comments (5 replies) [–] mech@feddit.org 5 points 1 month ago (2 children) Without context, it isn't. As soon as I post it in a thread about Nazis doing Nazi shit, I get downvoted to hell. Same with my anti-war stance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] echodot@feddit.uk 11 points 1 month ago (1 child) Context is critical though. Often times I see people say things like "we shouldn't stoop to their levels" which, like yeah, we shouldn't have to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EggInDisguise@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 month ago (1 child) The moral high road is filled with corpses. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] echodot@feddit.uk 4 points 1 month ago (1 child) It doesn't have to, but things have been allowed to get too far out of control, the political left have not pushed back enough and now we've got people doing nazi salutes out in the open. We are past the point of being able to deal with this to the legal system because the legal system has been co-opted. I don't know what people like you want. How do you want this situation resolving because all you ever say is what you don't want, you don't want violence, okay fine so how do you want to proceed? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EggInDisguise@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 month ago Lmao why do you think there are corpses filling it? they're too busy playing by the rules and getting killed with nobody caring, because "we're better than all that" is a dumb notion that ultimately makes you a pushover that wouldn't pull the trigger to save 1000 people. permalink fedilink source parent [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 month ago As soon as I post it in a thread about Nazis doing Nazi shit, I get downvoted to hell. Gee, I wonder why permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FishFace@piefed.social 6 points 1 month ago (6 children) If you push back on "punch a nazi" you'll find how unpopular it is quite quickly permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Zwiebel@feddit.org 6 points 1 month ago (3 children) We are pushing back on "kill everyone accused of being a nazi". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FishFace@piefed.social 3 points 1 month ago So you see how the OP's caption didn't mention anything about mere accusations, and implicitly assumed that the speaker could discern good from evil? And we then had to point out that in practice it's accusations, not objective fact? And do you see how the person at the top of this comment chain started at the basis of fundamental human rights, which not include the right to life, but also the right not to be assaulted? So, the difference you are seeing is not a meaningful one. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) load more comments (5 replies)
[–] Zwiebel@feddit.org 6 points 1 month ago (3 children) We are pushing back on "kill everyone accused of being a nazi". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FishFace@piefed.social 3 points 1 month ago So you see how the OP's caption didn't mention anything about mere accusations, and implicitly assumed that the speaker could discern good from evil? And we then had to point out that in practice it's accusations, not objective fact? And do you see how the person at the top of this comment chain started at the basis of fundamental human rights, which not include the right to life, but also the right not to be assaulted? So, the difference you are seeing is not a meaningful one. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies)
[–] FishFace@piefed.social 3 points 1 month ago So you see how the OP's caption didn't mention anything about mere accusations, and implicitly assumed that the speaker could discern good from evil? And we then had to point out that in practice it's accusations, not objective fact? And do you see how the person at the top of this comment chain started at the basis of fundamental human rights, which not include the right to life, but also the right not to be assaulted? So, the difference you are seeing is not a meaningful one. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mech@feddit.org 5 points 1 month ago (2 children) Without context, it isn't. As soon as I post it in a thread about Nazis doing Nazi shit, I get downvoted to hell. Same with my anti-war stance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] echodot@feddit.uk 11 points 1 month ago (1 child) Context is critical though. Often times I see people say things like "we shouldn't stoop to their levels" which, like yeah, we shouldn't have to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EggInDisguise@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 month ago (1 child) The moral high road is filled with corpses. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] echodot@feddit.uk 4 points 1 month ago (1 child) It doesn't have to, but things have been allowed to get too far out of control, the political left have not pushed back enough and now we've got people doing nazi salutes out in the open. We are past the point of being able to deal with this to the legal system because the legal system has been co-opted. I don't know what people like you want. How do you want this situation resolving because all you ever say is what you don't want, you don't want violence, okay fine so how do you want to proceed? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EggInDisguise@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 month ago Lmao why do you think there are corpses filling it? they're too busy playing by the rules and getting killed with nobody caring, because "we're better than all that" is a dumb notion that ultimately makes you a pushover that wouldn't pull the trigger to save 1000 people. permalink fedilink source parent [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 month ago As soon as I post it in a thread about Nazis doing Nazi shit, I get downvoted to hell. Gee, I wonder why permalink fedilink source parent
[–] echodot@feddit.uk 11 points 1 month ago (1 child) Context is critical though. Often times I see people say things like "we shouldn't stoop to their levels" which, like yeah, we shouldn't have to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EggInDisguise@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 month ago (1 child) The moral high road is filled with corpses. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] echodot@feddit.uk 4 points 1 month ago (1 child) It doesn't have to, but things have been allowed to get too far out of control, the political left have not pushed back enough and now we've got people doing nazi salutes out in the open. We are past the point of being able to deal with this to the legal system because the legal system has been co-opted. I don't know what people like you want. How do you want this situation resolving because all you ever say is what you don't want, you don't want violence, okay fine so how do you want to proceed? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EggInDisguise@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 month ago Lmao why do you think there are corpses filling it? they're too busy playing by the rules and getting killed with nobody caring, because "we're better than all that" is a dumb notion that ultimately makes you a pushover that wouldn't pull the trigger to save 1000 people. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EggInDisguise@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 month ago (1 child) The moral high road is filled with corpses. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] echodot@feddit.uk 4 points 1 month ago (1 child) It doesn't have to, but things have been allowed to get too far out of control, the political left have not pushed back enough and now we've got people doing nazi salutes out in the open. We are past the point of being able to deal with this to the legal system because the legal system has been co-opted. I don't know what people like you want. How do you want this situation resolving because all you ever say is what you don't want, you don't want violence, okay fine so how do you want to proceed? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EggInDisguise@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 month ago Lmao why do you think there are corpses filling it? they're too busy playing by the rules and getting killed with nobody caring, because "we're better than all that" is a dumb notion that ultimately makes you a pushover that wouldn't pull the trigger to save 1000 people. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] echodot@feddit.uk 4 points 1 month ago (1 child) It doesn't have to, but things have been allowed to get too far out of control, the political left have not pushed back enough and now we've got people doing nazi salutes out in the open. We are past the point of being able to deal with this to the legal system because the legal system has been co-opted. I don't know what people like you want. How do you want this situation resolving because all you ever say is what you don't want, you don't want violence, okay fine so how do you want to proceed? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EggInDisguise@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 month ago Lmao why do you think there are corpses filling it? they're too busy playing by the rules and getting killed with nobody caring, because "we're better than all that" is a dumb notion that ultimately makes you a pushover that wouldn't pull the trigger to save 1000 people. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EggInDisguise@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 month ago Lmao why do you think there are corpses filling it? they're too busy playing by the rules and getting killed with nobody caring, because "we're better than all that" is a dumb notion that ultimately makes you a pushover that wouldn't pull the trigger to save 1000 people. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 month ago As soon as I post it in a thread about Nazis doing Nazi shit, I get downvoted to hell. Gee, I wonder why permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gurty@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago (6 children) “Everyone I don’t agree with is a nazi therefore I am justified” permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip 39 points 1 month ago (2 children) That's the flipside, but also, some people are Nazis permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 month ago (11 children) Yeah, Musk and Thiel both went to Nazi grooming schools In Apartheid South Africa. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments load more comments (11 replies) [–] edible_funk@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago A fucking lot of them these days. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (5 replies)
[–] Saapas@piefed.zip 39 points 1 month ago (2 children) That's the flipside, but also, some people are Nazis permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 month ago (11 children) Yeah, Musk and Thiel both went to Nazi grooming schools In Apartheid South Africa. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments load more comments (11 replies) [–] edible_funk@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago A fucking lot of them these days. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 month ago (11 children) Yeah, Musk and Thiel both went to Nazi grooming schools In Apartheid South Africa. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments load more comments (11 replies)
[–] edible_funk@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago A fucking lot of them these days. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 month ago (1 child) this is a poorly cropped repost from tumblr, there is no critical thinking here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bizarroland@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (1 child) Which is funny because if people listened to what you said and followed your instructions, then there literally would be no critical thinking here. Whereas if you choose to utilize critical thinking, you would not actually dismiss this thing entirely simply because it came from Tumblr because that is a logical fallacy called poisoning the well. And if all it took to stop critical thinking for anybody was just saying, oh it comes from a bad place, then nobody would ever really do any critical thinking, right? So let's ignore where it comes from and talk about the topic that's actually being presented, ok? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] bizarroland@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (1 child) Which is funny because if people listened to what you said and followed your instructions, then there literally would be no critical thinking here. Whereas if you choose to utilize critical thinking, you would not actually dismiss this thing entirely simply because it came from Tumblr because that is a logical fallacy called poisoning the well. And if all it took to stop critical thinking for anybody was just saying, oh it comes from a bad place, then nobody would ever really do any critical thinking, right? So let's ignore where it comes from and talk about the topic that's actually being presented, ok? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)