▲ 354 ▼ Safe firearm storage may reduce blood lead levels in children (www.brown.edu) submitted 1 month ago by ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.world to c/nottheonion@lemmy.world 64 comments fedilink hide all child comments cross-posted from: https://feddit.uk/post/50832775
[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 108 points 1 month ago (4 children) That almost certainly has nothing to do with storage and instead is about frequency of shooting. People that have one gun locked in safe that never gets open, aren't shooting it. Someone doing a weekly range trip is going to bring home a bunch of lead dust regardless of how they store the gun. We really need to get away from lead in firearms permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip 27 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children) We also really need to normalize lead management. When I went shooting in scouts as a kid I learned all the responsible gun operation saftey stuff, but never even thought about the lead exposure till I was an adult I'd never even heard of de-leading products for getting yourself cleaned up after shooting until deviant ollam on YouTube talked about them in passing in a video (great channel by the way, it's hard to find any folks who talk about guns online that a turbo chud) Edit: misspelled "deviant" lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] sharkweek@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 2 days ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] someguy3@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Link? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip 5 points 1 month ago* (1 child) Sorry I misspelled deviant lol https://youtube.com/@deviantollam He's mostly big in the physical security world and has a lot of crossover with hacker community stuff, but regularly talks firearms. Cool dude, hes on mastodon If you want another cool leftwing guntuber tacticool girlfriend was rad, she doesnt do YouTube anymore but still has a whole backlog of videos and is a transfem immigrant who always had a perspective on guns I appreciated Deviant ollam also mentions a handful of others in his super old video on preparedness (I believe its this one https://youtu.be/6ihrGNGesfI), which if you see his videos on his friend Kara (transfem hacker friend of his currently in federal prison), if I remember right thats also the video where he gives the back story needed to follow the updates on how she's doing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] someguy3@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (2 children) Link to the specific video about de-leading? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip 2 points 1 month ago Sorry, I think he just mentioned he thought it was cool seeing some de-leading products at Shot Show I don't remember the video (it probably would have been one of his "best and worst of shot show" videos) and it wasn't really a guide or anything, so much as just him talking about his experience at the convention and more de-leading products getting visibility being something he thought was positive permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip 2 points 1 month ago Just wanted to add someone elsewhere in the thread mentioned jaredAF having good videos on the subject I'm not familiar with the channel but figured it might be worth mentioning in case you're looking for resources and didn't see it mentioned :) permalink fedilink source parent [–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 month ago (4 children) Copper for slugs, while more expensive has a risk level close to 0 in comparison to lead. It also has excellent ballistic properties and will expand properly with designs like hollow points permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 15 points 1 month ago (2 children) Tungsten, too. The problem is really the cost. To go to the range and spend $30 would instead cost $150. I think the average person would buy the lead. I'll ask a friend of mine who worked at a range recently to see what people are spending. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 9 points 1 month ago (2 children) Per friend: -$35 a person $12 for the second and ammo varies wildly. They start about $20/$30 a box for 9mm 50 rounds, but most people use 1/2 boxes ler trip" Also, per them, tungsten is a no-no due to its armor-piercing abilities. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] rljkeimig@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago* (1 child) $20 for 50 rounds of 9mm is exceptionally high. 20-25 cents per round for target ammo is closer to reality. https://ammoseek.com/ammo/9mm-luger permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 9 points 1 month ago (2 children) It's probably the cost buying from the range. Might also be regional. I'm going to keep replying to myself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] mote@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago It is, the ranges mark up the ammo (what business doesn't) as they sell small quantities to a captive audience who will pay. Ammoseek represents the other end of the spectrum, ppl buying wholesale in larger quantities. Not represented are the hand loaders, typically sports-oriented going through a thousand a week in practice buying components at cost. permalink fedilink source parent [–] rljkeimig@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) That is fair, you can expect to pay double for the convenience of buying on site at a staffed range. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 3 points 1 month ago As a company man, he says it "might be a little cheaper elsewhere," but they are the lowest price around for admission. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MangoCats@feddit.it 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) Is tungsten a no-no to carry around loaded, or is it simply unavailable? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Mnem667@retrofed.com 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) I'm not a gun guy, but I've never heard of tungsten being used in bullets, and AFAIK it would severly damage the barrel, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fondots@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) I don't know about tungsten bullets, but I have heard of tungsten shot. You could probably jacket a tungsten bullet in a softer metal like copper to mitigate the damage to the barrel, but I feel like that's also gonna run up against armor piercing regulations permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) I think, from a report I did in middle school, that you have just described how armor piercing bullets function. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fondots@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago Yeah, that's basically the gist of it, jacket a hard, dense penetrator in a softer metal so it doesn't damage the barrel But there's some edge cases like with m855 "green tip" 5.56 ammo which has a steel core inside a lead bullet and copper jacket, but generally isn't considered "armor piercing" even though it does penetrate armor slightly better than most other standard 5.56 rounds So I'm gonna hedge me bets and say there may be a case where a tungsten bullet may not be considered armor piercing but I don't know the specifics of where that line would be drawn. permalink fedilink source parent [–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Shooting a gun probably "should* cost more money permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EnderofGames@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago A classic from 1999 permalink fedilink source parent [–] punkfungus@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 month ago It's actually not the projectile that causes most of the lead exposure for shooters. It's the cartridge primers, they use lead styphnate for their explosive. Copper bullets are mainly to not spread lead through the environment where it can harm wildlife, and to avoid the risk of consuming lead in shot animals. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Pat_Riot@lemmy.today 4 points 1 month ago Sounds expensive permalink fedilink source parent [–] quick_snail@feddit.nl -2 points 1 month ago (1 child) Aren't expanding bullets horrible and should be illegal? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] historicaldocuments@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 child) No. They keep the projectile from over-penetrating the intended target. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) Isn't it better to have penetration without a bunch of shards? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] historicaldocuments@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago Most traditional hollowpoints aren't designed to break apart into shrapnel. They're designed to expand in a controlled manner. The FBI protocol is that it should expand after passing through four layers of cloth (denim, fleece, cotton, and something else), then penetrate between 12 and 18 inches through standardized ballistics gel. A non expanding bullet might get double that much penetration if it doesn't start tumbling. Projectiles designed for large, dangerous game are designed for no expansion and maximum penetration. It all depends on what the goal is. There's a lot of youtube where people have put that kind of stuff to the test if you want to dig. There are a few results out there that are non-intuitive. For example, a regular 38 special hollow point out of a modern revolver often doesn't get enough velocity to expand, so the cavity will fill up with cloth and over penetrate the gel even though it's substantially less powerful than a 9mm. permalink fedilink source parent [–] hopesdead@startrek.website 5 points 1 month ago (2 children) Why not just get rid of firearms completely? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (1 child) Yeah, this is America (Woo, ayy) Guns in my area (Word, my area) I got the strap (Ayy, ayy) I gotta carry 'em https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYOjWnS4cMY permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hopesdead@startrek.website 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) I’m surprised that song didn’t anger gun owners. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (1 child) In a country with more guns than people, that's like saying you're surprised people with a driver's license don't all drive F350 super duty's... Even worse, because when push comes to literal shove, the people with the most guns make the decisions. January 6th should have proved that if nothing else did, if they had showed up with guns they'd have accomplished their goals easily. Don't take it for granted that America will never need another revolution, or that a couple thousand armed people can't accomplish anything. Fuck man, now more than ever it's the responsibility of every good American to own and be proficient with a rifle. Take a fucking look around, you think trump is handing the White House to anyone in 2.5 years? Buy a fucking rifle while you can if you haven't already, or at least stop shit talking people who take logical precautions with our current reality. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] SARGE@startrek.website 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 week ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 month ago Well one would take a single federal law to change. Simple majority and signed by the president. The other requires 2/3rds of congress to agree or 2/3rds of states to agree. Nearly impossible permalink fedilink source parent [+] sharkweek@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 child) While I agree with you to an extent, I bet many people who use gun safes properly are also mindful of cleaning themselves and their clothing after shooting. ... Yeah, no one ever said they didn't. Or that any group was the same. My point was that storage method didn't matter. Any correlation is likely because someone who buys a gun and only plans to touch it "when they need it" are going to likely keep it in a safe. Regardless of how well you think you're cleaning yourself tho, you're being lead home from shooting. It takes a lot to actually mitigate it, and even if you think you are, you're not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] sharkweek@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 2 days ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip 27 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children) We also really need to normalize lead management. When I went shooting in scouts as a kid I learned all the responsible gun operation saftey stuff, but never even thought about the lead exposure till I was an adult I'd never even heard of de-leading products for getting yourself cleaned up after shooting until deviant ollam on YouTube talked about them in passing in a video (great channel by the way, it's hard to find any folks who talk about guns online that a turbo chud) Edit: misspelled "deviant" lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] sharkweek@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 2 days ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] someguy3@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Link? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip 5 points 1 month ago* (1 child) Sorry I misspelled deviant lol https://youtube.com/@deviantollam He's mostly big in the physical security world and has a lot of crossover with hacker community stuff, but regularly talks firearms. Cool dude, hes on mastodon If you want another cool leftwing guntuber tacticool girlfriend was rad, she doesnt do YouTube anymore but still has a whole backlog of videos and is a transfem immigrant who always had a perspective on guns I appreciated Deviant ollam also mentions a handful of others in his super old video on preparedness (I believe its this one https://youtu.be/6ihrGNGesfI), which if you see his videos on his friend Kara (transfem hacker friend of his currently in federal prison), if I remember right thats also the video where he gives the back story needed to follow the updates on how she's doing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] someguy3@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (2 children) Link to the specific video about de-leading? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip 2 points 1 month ago Sorry, I think he just mentioned he thought it was cool seeing some de-leading products at Shot Show I don't remember the video (it probably would have been one of his "best and worst of shot show" videos) and it wasn't really a guide or anything, so much as just him talking about his experience at the convention and more de-leading products getting visibility being something he thought was positive permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip 2 points 1 month ago Just wanted to add someone elsewhere in the thread mentioned jaredAF having good videos on the subject I'm not familiar with the channel but figured it might be worth mentioning in case you're looking for resources and didn't see it mentioned :) permalink fedilink source parent
[+] sharkweek@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 2 days ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Link? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip 5 points 1 month ago* (1 child) Sorry I misspelled deviant lol https://youtube.com/@deviantollam He's mostly big in the physical security world and has a lot of crossover with hacker community stuff, but regularly talks firearms. Cool dude, hes on mastodon If you want another cool leftwing guntuber tacticool girlfriend was rad, she doesnt do YouTube anymore but still has a whole backlog of videos and is a transfem immigrant who always had a perspective on guns I appreciated Deviant ollam also mentions a handful of others in his super old video on preparedness (I believe its this one https://youtu.be/6ihrGNGesfI), which if you see his videos on his friend Kara (transfem hacker friend of his currently in federal prison), if I remember right thats also the video where he gives the back story needed to follow the updates on how she's doing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] someguy3@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (2 children) Link to the specific video about de-leading? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip 2 points 1 month ago Sorry, I think he just mentioned he thought it was cool seeing some de-leading products at Shot Show I don't remember the video (it probably would have been one of his "best and worst of shot show" videos) and it wasn't really a guide or anything, so much as just him talking about his experience at the convention and more de-leading products getting visibility being something he thought was positive permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip 2 points 1 month ago Just wanted to add someone elsewhere in the thread mentioned jaredAF having good videos on the subject I'm not familiar with the channel but figured it might be worth mentioning in case you're looking for resources and didn't see it mentioned :) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip 5 points 1 month ago* (1 child) Sorry I misspelled deviant lol https://youtube.com/@deviantollam He's mostly big in the physical security world and has a lot of crossover with hacker community stuff, but regularly talks firearms. Cool dude, hes on mastodon If you want another cool leftwing guntuber tacticool girlfriend was rad, she doesnt do YouTube anymore but still has a whole backlog of videos and is a transfem immigrant who always had a perspective on guns I appreciated Deviant ollam also mentions a handful of others in his super old video on preparedness (I believe its this one https://youtu.be/6ihrGNGesfI), which if you see his videos on his friend Kara (transfem hacker friend of his currently in federal prison), if I remember right thats also the video where he gives the back story needed to follow the updates on how she's doing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] someguy3@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (2 children) Link to the specific video about de-leading? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip 2 points 1 month ago Sorry, I think he just mentioned he thought it was cool seeing some de-leading products at Shot Show I don't remember the video (it probably would have been one of his "best and worst of shot show" videos) and it wasn't really a guide or anything, so much as just him talking about his experience at the convention and more de-leading products getting visibility being something he thought was positive permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip 2 points 1 month ago Just wanted to add someone elsewhere in the thread mentioned jaredAF having good videos on the subject I'm not familiar with the channel but figured it might be worth mentioning in case you're looking for resources and didn't see it mentioned :) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (2 children) Link to the specific video about de-leading? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip 2 points 1 month ago Sorry, I think he just mentioned he thought it was cool seeing some de-leading products at Shot Show I don't remember the video (it probably would have been one of his "best and worst of shot show" videos) and it wasn't really a guide or anything, so much as just him talking about his experience at the convention and more de-leading products getting visibility being something he thought was positive permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip 2 points 1 month ago Just wanted to add someone elsewhere in the thread mentioned jaredAF having good videos on the subject I'm not familiar with the channel but figured it might be worth mentioning in case you're looking for resources and didn't see it mentioned :) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip 2 points 1 month ago Sorry, I think he just mentioned he thought it was cool seeing some de-leading products at Shot Show I don't remember the video (it probably would have been one of his "best and worst of shot show" videos) and it wasn't really a guide or anything, so much as just him talking about his experience at the convention and more de-leading products getting visibility being something he thought was positive permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip 2 points 1 month ago Just wanted to add someone elsewhere in the thread mentioned jaredAF having good videos on the subject I'm not familiar with the channel but figured it might be worth mentioning in case you're looking for resources and didn't see it mentioned :) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 month ago (4 children) Copper for slugs, while more expensive has a risk level close to 0 in comparison to lead. It also has excellent ballistic properties and will expand properly with designs like hollow points permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 15 points 1 month ago (2 children) Tungsten, too. The problem is really the cost. To go to the range and spend $30 would instead cost $150. I think the average person would buy the lead. I'll ask a friend of mine who worked at a range recently to see what people are spending. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 9 points 1 month ago (2 children) Per friend: -$35 a person $12 for the second and ammo varies wildly. They start about $20/$30 a box for 9mm 50 rounds, but most people use 1/2 boxes ler trip" Also, per them, tungsten is a no-no due to its armor-piercing abilities. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] rljkeimig@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago* (1 child) $20 for 50 rounds of 9mm is exceptionally high. 20-25 cents per round for target ammo is closer to reality. https://ammoseek.com/ammo/9mm-luger permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 9 points 1 month ago (2 children) It's probably the cost buying from the range. Might also be regional. I'm going to keep replying to myself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] mote@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago It is, the ranges mark up the ammo (what business doesn't) as they sell small quantities to a captive audience who will pay. Ammoseek represents the other end of the spectrum, ppl buying wholesale in larger quantities. Not represented are the hand loaders, typically sports-oriented going through a thousand a week in practice buying components at cost. permalink fedilink source parent [–] rljkeimig@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) That is fair, you can expect to pay double for the convenience of buying on site at a staffed range. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 3 points 1 month ago As a company man, he says it "might be a little cheaper elsewhere," but they are the lowest price around for admission. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MangoCats@feddit.it 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) Is tungsten a no-no to carry around loaded, or is it simply unavailable? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Mnem667@retrofed.com 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) I'm not a gun guy, but I've never heard of tungsten being used in bullets, and AFAIK it would severly damage the barrel, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fondots@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) I don't know about tungsten bullets, but I have heard of tungsten shot. You could probably jacket a tungsten bullet in a softer metal like copper to mitigate the damage to the barrel, but I feel like that's also gonna run up against armor piercing regulations permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) I think, from a report I did in middle school, that you have just described how armor piercing bullets function. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fondots@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago Yeah, that's basically the gist of it, jacket a hard, dense penetrator in a softer metal so it doesn't damage the barrel But there's some edge cases like with m855 "green tip" 5.56 ammo which has a steel core inside a lead bullet and copper jacket, but generally isn't considered "armor piercing" even though it does penetrate armor slightly better than most other standard 5.56 rounds So I'm gonna hedge me bets and say there may be a case where a tungsten bullet may not be considered armor piercing but I don't know the specifics of where that line would be drawn. permalink fedilink source parent [–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Shooting a gun probably "should* cost more money permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EnderofGames@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago A classic from 1999 permalink fedilink source parent [–] punkfungus@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 month ago It's actually not the projectile that causes most of the lead exposure for shooters. It's the cartridge primers, they use lead styphnate for their explosive. Copper bullets are mainly to not spread lead through the environment where it can harm wildlife, and to avoid the risk of consuming lead in shot animals. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Pat_Riot@lemmy.today 4 points 1 month ago Sounds expensive permalink fedilink source parent [–] quick_snail@feddit.nl -2 points 1 month ago (1 child) Aren't expanding bullets horrible and should be illegal? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] historicaldocuments@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 child) No. They keep the projectile from over-penetrating the intended target. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) Isn't it better to have penetration without a bunch of shards? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] historicaldocuments@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago Most traditional hollowpoints aren't designed to break apart into shrapnel. They're designed to expand in a controlled manner. The FBI protocol is that it should expand after passing through four layers of cloth (denim, fleece, cotton, and something else), then penetrate between 12 and 18 inches through standardized ballistics gel. A non expanding bullet might get double that much penetration if it doesn't start tumbling. Projectiles designed for large, dangerous game are designed for no expansion and maximum penetration. It all depends on what the goal is. There's a lot of youtube where people have put that kind of stuff to the test if you want to dig. There are a few results out there that are non-intuitive. For example, a regular 38 special hollow point out of a modern revolver often doesn't get enough velocity to expand, so the cavity will fill up with cloth and over penetrate the gel even though it's substantially less powerful than a 9mm. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 15 points 1 month ago (2 children) Tungsten, too. The problem is really the cost. To go to the range and spend $30 would instead cost $150. I think the average person would buy the lead. I'll ask a friend of mine who worked at a range recently to see what people are spending. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 9 points 1 month ago (2 children) Per friend: -$35 a person $12 for the second and ammo varies wildly. They start about $20/$30 a box for 9mm 50 rounds, but most people use 1/2 boxes ler trip" Also, per them, tungsten is a no-no due to its armor-piercing abilities. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] rljkeimig@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago* (1 child) $20 for 50 rounds of 9mm is exceptionally high. 20-25 cents per round for target ammo is closer to reality. https://ammoseek.com/ammo/9mm-luger permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 9 points 1 month ago (2 children) It's probably the cost buying from the range. Might also be regional. I'm going to keep replying to myself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] mote@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago It is, the ranges mark up the ammo (what business doesn't) as they sell small quantities to a captive audience who will pay. Ammoseek represents the other end of the spectrum, ppl buying wholesale in larger quantities. Not represented are the hand loaders, typically sports-oriented going through a thousand a week in practice buying components at cost. permalink fedilink source parent [–] rljkeimig@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) That is fair, you can expect to pay double for the convenience of buying on site at a staffed range. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 3 points 1 month ago As a company man, he says it "might be a little cheaper elsewhere," but they are the lowest price around for admission. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MangoCats@feddit.it 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) Is tungsten a no-no to carry around loaded, or is it simply unavailable? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Mnem667@retrofed.com 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) I'm not a gun guy, but I've never heard of tungsten being used in bullets, and AFAIK it would severly damage the barrel, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fondots@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) I don't know about tungsten bullets, but I have heard of tungsten shot. You could probably jacket a tungsten bullet in a softer metal like copper to mitigate the damage to the barrel, but I feel like that's also gonna run up against armor piercing regulations permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) I think, from a report I did in middle school, that you have just described how armor piercing bullets function. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fondots@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago Yeah, that's basically the gist of it, jacket a hard, dense penetrator in a softer metal so it doesn't damage the barrel But there's some edge cases like with m855 "green tip" 5.56 ammo which has a steel core inside a lead bullet and copper jacket, but generally isn't considered "armor piercing" even though it does penetrate armor slightly better than most other standard 5.56 rounds So I'm gonna hedge me bets and say there may be a case where a tungsten bullet may not be considered armor piercing but I don't know the specifics of where that line would be drawn. permalink fedilink source parent [–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Shooting a gun probably "should* cost more money permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EnderofGames@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago A classic from 1999 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 9 points 1 month ago (2 children) Per friend: -$35 a person $12 for the second and ammo varies wildly. They start about $20/$30 a box for 9mm 50 rounds, but most people use 1/2 boxes ler trip" Also, per them, tungsten is a no-no due to its armor-piercing abilities. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] rljkeimig@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago* (1 child) $20 for 50 rounds of 9mm is exceptionally high. 20-25 cents per round for target ammo is closer to reality. https://ammoseek.com/ammo/9mm-luger permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 9 points 1 month ago (2 children) It's probably the cost buying from the range. Might also be regional. I'm going to keep replying to myself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] mote@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago It is, the ranges mark up the ammo (what business doesn't) as they sell small quantities to a captive audience who will pay. Ammoseek represents the other end of the spectrum, ppl buying wholesale in larger quantities. Not represented are the hand loaders, typically sports-oriented going through a thousand a week in practice buying components at cost. permalink fedilink source parent [–] rljkeimig@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) That is fair, you can expect to pay double for the convenience of buying on site at a staffed range. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 3 points 1 month ago As a company man, he says it "might be a little cheaper elsewhere," but they are the lowest price around for admission. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MangoCats@feddit.it 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) Is tungsten a no-no to carry around loaded, or is it simply unavailable? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Mnem667@retrofed.com 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) I'm not a gun guy, but I've never heard of tungsten being used in bullets, and AFAIK it would severly damage the barrel, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fondots@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) I don't know about tungsten bullets, but I have heard of tungsten shot. You could probably jacket a tungsten bullet in a softer metal like copper to mitigate the damage to the barrel, but I feel like that's also gonna run up against armor piercing regulations permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) I think, from a report I did in middle school, that you have just described how armor piercing bullets function. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fondots@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago Yeah, that's basically the gist of it, jacket a hard, dense penetrator in a softer metal so it doesn't damage the barrel But there's some edge cases like with m855 "green tip" 5.56 ammo which has a steel core inside a lead bullet and copper jacket, but generally isn't considered "armor piercing" even though it does penetrate armor slightly better than most other standard 5.56 rounds So I'm gonna hedge me bets and say there may be a case where a tungsten bullet may not be considered armor piercing but I don't know the specifics of where that line would be drawn. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rljkeimig@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago* (1 child) $20 for 50 rounds of 9mm is exceptionally high. 20-25 cents per round for target ammo is closer to reality. https://ammoseek.com/ammo/9mm-luger permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 9 points 1 month ago (2 children) It's probably the cost buying from the range. Might also be regional. I'm going to keep replying to myself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] mote@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago It is, the ranges mark up the ammo (what business doesn't) as they sell small quantities to a captive audience who will pay. Ammoseek represents the other end of the spectrum, ppl buying wholesale in larger quantities. Not represented are the hand loaders, typically sports-oriented going through a thousand a week in practice buying components at cost. permalink fedilink source parent [–] rljkeimig@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) That is fair, you can expect to pay double for the convenience of buying on site at a staffed range. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 3 points 1 month ago As a company man, he says it "might be a little cheaper elsewhere," but they are the lowest price around for admission. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 9 points 1 month ago (2 children) It's probably the cost buying from the range. Might also be regional. I'm going to keep replying to myself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] mote@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago It is, the ranges mark up the ammo (what business doesn't) as they sell small quantities to a captive audience who will pay. Ammoseek represents the other end of the spectrum, ppl buying wholesale in larger quantities. Not represented are the hand loaders, typically sports-oriented going through a thousand a week in practice buying components at cost. permalink fedilink source parent [–] rljkeimig@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) That is fair, you can expect to pay double for the convenience of buying on site at a staffed range. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 3 points 1 month ago As a company man, he says it "might be a little cheaper elsewhere," but they are the lowest price around for admission. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mote@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago It is, the ranges mark up the ammo (what business doesn't) as they sell small quantities to a captive audience who will pay. Ammoseek represents the other end of the spectrum, ppl buying wholesale in larger quantities. Not represented are the hand loaders, typically sports-oriented going through a thousand a week in practice buying components at cost. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rljkeimig@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) That is fair, you can expect to pay double for the convenience of buying on site at a staffed range. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 3 points 1 month ago As a company man, he says it "might be a little cheaper elsewhere," but they are the lowest price around for admission. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 3 points 1 month ago As a company man, he says it "might be a little cheaper elsewhere," but they are the lowest price around for admission. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) Is tungsten a no-no to carry around loaded, or is it simply unavailable? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Mnem667@retrofed.com 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) I'm not a gun guy, but I've never heard of tungsten being used in bullets, and AFAIK it would severly damage the barrel, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fondots@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) I don't know about tungsten bullets, but I have heard of tungsten shot. You could probably jacket a tungsten bullet in a softer metal like copper to mitigate the damage to the barrel, but I feel like that's also gonna run up against armor piercing regulations permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) I think, from a report I did in middle school, that you have just described how armor piercing bullets function. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fondots@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago Yeah, that's basically the gist of it, jacket a hard, dense penetrator in a softer metal so it doesn't damage the barrel But there's some edge cases like with m855 "green tip" 5.56 ammo which has a steel core inside a lead bullet and copper jacket, but generally isn't considered "armor piercing" even though it does penetrate armor slightly better than most other standard 5.56 rounds So I'm gonna hedge me bets and say there may be a case where a tungsten bullet may not be considered armor piercing but I don't know the specifics of where that line would be drawn. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mnem667@retrofed.com 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) I'm not a gun guy, but I've never heard of tungsten being used in bullets, and AFAIK it would severly damage the barrel, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fondots@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) I don't know about tungsten bullets, but I have heard of tungsten shot. You could probably jacket a tungsten bullet in a softer metal like copper to mitigate the damage to the barrel, but I feel like that's also gonna run up against armor piercing regulations permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) I think, from a report I did in middle school, that you have just described how armor piercing bullets function. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fondots@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago Yeah, that's basically the gist of it, jacket a hard, dense penetrator in a softer metal so it doesn't damage the barrel But there's some edge cases like with m855 "green tip" 5.56 ammo which has a steel core inside a lead bullet and copper jacket, but generally isn't considered "armor piercing" even though it does penetrate armor slightly better than most other standard 5.56 rounds So I'm gonna hedge me bets and say there may be a case where a tungsten bullet may not be considered armor piercing but I don't know the specifics of where that line would be drawn. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fondots@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) I don't know about tungsten bullets, but I have heard of tungsten shot. You could probably jacket a tungsten bullet in a softer metal like copper to mitigate the damage to the barrel, but I feel like that's also gonna run up against armor piercing regulations permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) I think, from a report I did in middle school, that you have just described how armor piercing bullets function. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fondots@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago Yeah, that's basically the gist of it, jacket a hard, dense penetrator in a softer metal so it doesn't damage the barrel But there's some edge cases like with m855 "green tip" 5.56 ammo which has a steel core inside a lead bullet and copper jacket, but generally isn't considered "armor piercing" even though it does penetrate armor slightly better than most other standard 5.56 rounds So I'm gonna hedge me bets and say there may be a case where a tungsten bullet may not be considered armor piercing but I don't know the specifics of where that line would be drawn. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) I think, from a report I did in middle school, that you have just described how armor piercing bullets function. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fondots@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago Yeah, that's basically the gist of it, jacket a hard, dense penetrator in a softer metal so it doesn't damage the barrel But there's some edge cases like with m855 "green tip" 5.56 ammo which has a steel core inside a lead bullet and copper jacket, but generally isn't considered "armor piercing" even though it does penetrate armor slightly better than most other standard 5.56 rounds So I'm gonna hedge me bets and say there may be a case where a tungsten bullet may not be considered armor piercing but I don't know the specifics of where that line would be drawn. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fondots@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago Yeah, that's basically the gist of it, jacket a hard, dense penetrator in a softer metal so it doesn't damage the barrel But there's some edge cases like with m855 "green tip" 5.56 ammo which has a steel core inside a lead bullet and copper jacket, but generally isn't considered "armor piercing" even though it does penetrate armor slightly better than most other standard 5.56 rounds So I'm gonna hedge me bets and say there may be a case where a tungsten bullet may not be considered armor piercing but I don't know the specifics of where that line would be drawn. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Shooting a gun probably "should* cost more money permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EnderofGames@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago A classic from 1999 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EnderofGames@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago A classic from 1999 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] punkfungus@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 month ago It's actually not the projectile that causes most of the lead exposure for shooters. It's the cartridge primers, they use lead styphnate for their explosive. Copper bullets are mainly to not spread lead through the environment where it can harm wildlife, and to avoid the risk of consuming lead in shot animals. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl -2 points 1 month ago (1 child) Aren't expanding bullets horrible and should be illegal? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] historicaldocuments@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 child) No. They keep the projectile from over-penetrating the intended target. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) Isn't it better to have penetration without a bunch of shards? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] historicaldocuments@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago Most traditional hollowpoints aren't designed to break apart into shrapnel. They're designed to expand in a controlled manner. The FBI protocol is that it should expand after passing through four layers of cloth (denim, fleece, cotton, and something else), then penetrate between 12 and 18 inches through standardized ballistics gel. A non expanding bullet might get double that much penetration if it doesn't start tumbling. Projectiles designed for large, dangerous game are designed for no expansion and maximum penetration. It all depends on what the goal is. There's a lot of youtube where people have put that kind of stuff to the test if you want to dig. There are a few results out there that are non-intuitive. For example, a regular 38 special hollow point out of a modern revolver often doesn't get enough velocity to expand, so the cavity will fill up with cloth and over penetrate the gel even though it's substantially less powerful than a 9mm. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] historicaldocuments@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 child) No. They keep the projectile from over-penetrating the intended target. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) Isn't it better to have penetration without a bunch of shards? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] historicaldocuments@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago Most traditional hollowpoints aren't designed to break apart into shrapnel. They're designed to expand in a controlled manner. The FBI protocol is that it should expand after passing through four layers of cloth (denim, fleece, cotton, and something else), then penetrate between 12 and 18 inches through standardized ballistics gel. A non expanding bullet might get double that much penetration if it doesn't start tumbling. Projectiles designed for large, dangerous game are designed for no expansion and maximum penetration. It all depends on what the goal is. There's a lot of youtube where people have put that kind of stuff to the test if you want to dig. There are a few results out there that are non-intuitive. For example, a regular 38 special hollow point out of a modern revolver often doesn't get enough velocity to expand, so the cavity will fill up with cloth and over penetrate the gel even though it's substantially less powerful than a 9mm. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) Isn't it better to have penetration without a bunch of shards? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] historicaldocuments@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago Most traditional hollowpoints aren't designed to break apart into shrapnel. They're designed to expand in a controlled manner. The FBI protocol is that it should expand after passing through four layers of cloth (denim, fleece, cotton, and something else), then penetrate between 12 and 18 inches through standardized ballistics gel. A non expanding bullet might get double that much penetration if it doesn't start tumbling. Projectiles designed for large, dangerous game are designed for no expansion and maximum penetration. It all depends on what the goal is. There's a lot of youtube where people have put that kind of stuff to the test if you want to dig. There are a few results out there that are non-intuitive. For example, a regular 38 special hollow point out of a modern revolver often doesn't get enough velocity to expand, so the cavity will fill up with cloth and over penetrate the gel even though it's substantially less powerful than a 9mm. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] historicaldocuments@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago Most traditional hollowpoints aren't designed to break apart into shrapnel. They're designed to expand in a controlled manner. The FBI protocol is that it should expand after passing through four layers of cloth (denim, fleece, cotton, and something else), then penetrate between 12 and 18 inches through standardized ballistics gel. A non expanding bullet might get double that much penetration if it doesn't start tumbling. Projectiles designed for large, dangerous game are designed for no expansion and maximum penetration. It all depends on what the goal is. There's a lot of youtube where people have put that kind of stuff to the test if you want to dig. There are a few results out there that are non-intuitive. For example, a regular 38 special hollow point out of a modern revolver often doesn't get enough velocity to expand, so the cavity will fill up with cloth and over penetrate the gel even though it's substantially less powerful than a 9mm. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hopesdead@startrek.website 5 points 1 month ago (2 children) Why not just get rid of firearms completely? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (1 child) Yeah, this is America (Woo, ayy) Guns in my area (Word, my area) I got the strap (Ayy, ayy) I gotta carry 'em https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYOjWnS4cMY permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hopesdead@startrek.website 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) I’m surprised that song didn’t anger gun owners. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (1 child) In a country with more guns than people, that's like saying you're surprised people with a driver's license don't all drive F350 super duty's... Even worse, because when push comes to literal shove, the people with the most guns make the decisions. January 6th should have proved that if nothing else did, if they had showed up with guns they'd have accomplished their goals easily. Don't take it for granted that America will never need another revolution, or that a couple thousand armed people can't accomplish anything. Fuck man, now more than ever it's the responsibility of every good American to own and be proficient with a rifle. Take a fucking look around, you think trump is handing the White House to anyone in 2.5 years? Buy a fucking rifle while you can if you haven't already, or at least stop shit talking people who take logical precautions with our current reality. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] SARGE@startrek.website 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 week ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 month ago Well one would take a single federal law to change. Simple majority and signed by the president. The other requires 2/3rds of congress to agree or 2/3rds of states to agree. Nearly impossible permalink fedilink source parent
[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (1 child) Yeah, this is America (Woo, ayy) Guns in my area (Word, my area) I got the strap (Ayy, ayy) I gotta carry 'em https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYOjWnS4cMY permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hopesdead@startrek.website 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) I’m surprised that song didn’t anger gun owners. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (1 child) In a country with more guns than people, that's like saying you're surprised people with a driver's license don't all drive F350 super duty's... Even worse, because when push comes to literal shove, the people with the most guns make the decisions. January 6th should have proved that if nothing else did, if they had showed up with guns they'd have accomplished their goals easily. Don't take it for granted that America will never need another revolution, or that a couple thousand armed people can't accomplish anything. Fuck man, now more than ever it's the responsibility of every good American to own and be proficient with a rifle. Take a fucking look around, you think trump is handing the White House to anyone in 2.5 years? Buy a fucking rifle while you can if you haven't already, or at least stop shit talking people who take logical precautions with our current reality. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] SARGE@startrek.website 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 week ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hopesdead@startrek.website 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) I’m surprised that song didn’t anger gun owners. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (1 child) In a country with more guns than people, that's like saying you're surprised people with a driver's license don't all drive F350 super duty's... Even worse, because when push comes to literal shove, the people with the most guns make the decisions. January 6th should have proved that if nothing else did, if they had showed up with guns they'd have accomplished their goals easily. Don't take it for granted that America will never need another revolution, or that a couple thousand armed people can't accomplish anything. Fuck man, now more than ever it's the responsibility of every good American to own and be proficient with a rifle. Take a fucking look around, you think trump is handing the White House to anyone in 2.5 years? Buy a fucking rifle while you can if you haven't already, or at least stop shit talking people who take logical precautions with our current reality. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] SARGE@startrek.website 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 week ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (1 child) In a country with more guns than people, that's like saying you're surprised people with a driver's license don't all drive F350 super duty's... Even worse, because when push comes to literal shove, the people with the most guns make the decisions. January 6th should have proved that if nothing else did, if they had showed up with guns they'd have accomplished their goals easily. Don't take it for granted that America will never need another revolution, or that a couple thousand armed people can't accomplish anything. Fuck man, now more than ever it's the responsibility of every good American to own and be proficient with a rifle. Take a fucking look around, you think trump is handing the White House to anyone in 2.5 years? Buy a fucking rifle while you can if you haven't already, or at least stop shit talking people who take logical precautions with our current reality. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] SARGE@startrek.website 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 week ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] SARGE@startrek.website 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 week ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 month ago Well one would take a single federal law to change. Simple majority and signed by the president. The other requires 2/3rds of congress to agree or 2/3rds of states to agree. Nearly impossible permalink fedilink source parent
[+] sharkweek@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 child) While I agree with you to an extent, I bet many people who use gun safes properly are also mindful of cleaning themselves and their clothing after shooting. ... Yeah, no one ever said they didn't. Or that any group was the same. My point was that storage method didn't matter. Any correlation is likely because someone who buys a gun and only plans to touch it "when they need it" are going to likely keep it in a safe. Regardless of how well you think you're cleaning yourself tho, you're being lead home from shooting. It takes a lot to actually mitigate it, and even if you think you are, you're not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] sharkweek@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 2 days ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 child) While I agree with you to an extent, I bet many people who use gun safes properly are also mindful of cleaning themselves and their clothing after shooting. ... Yeah, no one ever said they didn't. Or that any group was the same. My point was that storage method didn't matter. Any correlation is likely because someone who buys a gun and only plans to touch it "when they need it" are going to likely keep it in a safe. Regardless of how well you think you're cleaning yourself tho, you're being lead home from shooting. It takes a lot to actually mitigate it, and even if you think you are, you're not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] sharkweek@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 2 days ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] sharkweek@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 2 days ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent