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[β] merc@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 months ago (7 children) Saying it's capitalism that's responsible for mental health problems reminds me of the people who say "we didn't have autism back in my day". permalink fedilink source hideshow 14 child comments replies: [β] meekah@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 2 months ago As always the reality is more nuanced. But yes, I'd argue that the late stage capitalism were live in is at least partially to blame for indirectly causing the mental health crisis permalink fedilink source parent [β] hark@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (3 children) Monetizing everything is inherent in capitalism, though. It's why the auto companies bought up streetcar lines and tore them out to make people more dependent on cars. Capitalism is not responsible for all mental health problems, but there is a clear incentive to promote it so that the capitalist class can sell services, and it wouldn't be out of the question to over-diagnose or even help create the conditions to gain more customers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago (1 child) So? How is monetizing everything worse than being a tenant farmer whose lord squeezes everything possible from their serfs. There's nothing unique to capitalism about the poor being exploited. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] hark@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago Nobody said feudalism is better, in fact my post was saying the opposite and using that to make the point that we can still improve things. permalink fedilink source parent [β] gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org 2 points 2 months ago (1 child) Monetizing everything is inherent in capitalism, though nah. there's "limited capitalism" where only parts of society are monetized, like heavy industries. it's neoliberalism that monetizes everything. this means that if you want childcare, you pay for it. in earlier decades/centuries, that was done by the wife / community. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] hark@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago Sure, but the longer the game goes, the more likely capital concentration will lead to what we have now. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Doubleohdonut@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 months ago Fo example, weight loss drugs permalink fedilink source parent [β] flandish@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago a few things can be true at once. capitalism is indeed responsible for its shard of problems yes. permalink fedilink source parent [β] CultLeader4Hire@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) Capitalism exploits the human condition, this absolutely will lead to mental health issues for most. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) What do you mean? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) no money -> problems -> mental health problems permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) That's not a problem unique to capitalism. If you think there's something especially bad about capitalism, what is it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) not having money is not specific to capitalism. but that everything costs money, is. including food permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 months ago That has always been the case, unless you were a farmer. If you're a farmer today you can grow your own food. The difference is that we just don't need as many farmers because technology has improved. permalink fedilink source parent [β] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 months ago (1 child) It sure is responsible for the prevalence of mental health problems today permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) How so? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] hark@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) Off-hand, I can see the affordability crisis and over-reliance on debt to finance people's lives, while at the same time threatening labor with outsourcing, AI, whatever to replace them and their ability to make a living leads to tremendous amounts of stress. A constant high level of stress is devastating for mental health. These all work together to squeeze people at both ends, maximizing money made off people just living and then offering paid services to promise relief (even though the situation the capitalist class has created is the problem itself). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 months ago (1 child) How is that "capitalism"? That's just poor people being exploited by the rich and powerful, as has always been the case. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] hark@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) Capitalism is the current system we're living in that is creating the rich and poor as they exist today. That isn't to say there isn't inequality in other systems, but it's possible to adopt a different system that is less open to abuse, just like how we moved on from feudalism. Why continue playing a game with fundamentally broken rules? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago (1 child) Is it really possible to adopt a different system that is less open to abuse? Are there real world examples, not just Star Trek? Communism is great in theory, but in practice it doesn't seem to allow for actual human nature. As a result, communist countries tend to quickly turn extremely authoritarian and are communist only in name. There are other systems that work for small, isolated communities, but they don't seem to work when done on a country-sized scale. Capitalism may suck, but capitalism in a democratic republic with a mix of socialist elements, especially as it's done in northern Europe seems like a good compromise between something that is actually workable in the real world, and something that gives people at the bottom some agency. Of course, that system needs to be regulated or it collapses back towards authoritarianism and feudalism. Northern Europe seems to be doing a pretty good job of regulating their systems, whereas countries like the US are failing in a spectacular way. But, if you can point to another system that has actually been tried and found to work in the real world, I'm happy to learn more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] mortalblade@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago (1 child) not muh human nature argument pls. If anything capitalism is the system more susceptible to antisocial behavior. it openly rewards it. I feel like youre more or less saying "yeah capitalism works just fine as long as we ignore the people that have to get crushed to death to sustain it" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago So, you're admitting capitalism is sustainable. That makes it unlike a system like communism which collapses into authoritarianism almost immediately. If you think there's a sustainable system that's better than capitalism, what is it? permalink fedilink source parent [+] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago* [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [β] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 months ago Depression is not an medical issue and autism is not an illness. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] meekah@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 2 months ago As always the reality is more nuanced. But yes, I'd argue that the late stage capitalism were live in is at least partially to blame for indirectly causing the mental health crisis permalink fedilink source parent
[β] hark@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (3 children) Monetizing everything is inherent in capitalism, though. It's why the auto companies bought up streetcar lines and tore them out to make people more dependent on cars. Capitalism is not responsible for all mental health problems, but there is a clear incentive to promote it so that the capitalist class can sell services, and it wouldn't be out of the question to over-diagnose or even help create the conditions to gain more customers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago (1 child) So? How is monetizing everything worse than being a tenant farmer whose lord squeezes everything possible from their serfs. There's nothing unique to capitalism about the poor being exploited. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] hark@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago Nobody said feudalism is better, in fact my post was saying the opposite and using that to make the point that we can still improve things. permalink fedilink source parent [β] gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org 2 points 2 months ago (1 child) Monetizing everything is inherent in capitalism, though nah. there's "limited capitalism" where only parts of society are monetized, like heavy industries. it's neoliberalism that monetizes everything. this means that if you want childcare, you pay for it. in earlier decades/centuries, that was done by the wife / community. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] hark@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago Sure, but the longer the game goes, the more likely capital concentration will lead to what we have now. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Doubleohdonut@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 months ago Fo example, weight loss drugs permalink fedilink source parent
[β] merc@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago (1 child) So? How is monetizing everything worse than being a tenant farmer whose lord squeezes everything possible from their serfs. There's nothing unique to capitalism about the poor being exploited. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] hark@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago Nobody said feudalism is better, in fact my post was saying the opposite and using that to make the point that we can still improve things. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] hark@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago Nobody said feudalism is better, in fact my post was saying the opposite and using that to make the point that we can still improve things. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org 2 points 2 months ago (1 child) Monetizing everything is inherent in capitalism, though nah. there's "limited capitalism" where only parts of society are monetized, like heavy industries. it's neoliberalism that monetizes everything. this means that if you want childcare, you pay for it. in earlier decades/centuries, that was done by the wife / community. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] hark@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago Sure, but the longer the game goes, the more likely capital concentration will lead to what we have now. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] hark@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago Sure, but the longer the game goes, the more likely capital concentration will lead to what we have now. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Doubleohdonut@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 months ago Fo example, weight loss drugs permalink fedilink source parent
[β] flandish@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago a few things can be true at once. capitalism is indeed responsible for its shard of problems yes. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] CultLeader4Hire@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) Capitalism exploits the human condition, this absolutely will lead to mental health issues for most. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) What do you mean? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) no money -> problems -> mental health problems permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) That's not a problem unique to capitalism. If you think there's something especially bad about capitalism, what is it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) not having money is not specific to capitalism. but that everything costs money, is. including food permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 months ago That has always been the case, unless you were a farmer. If you're a farmer today you can grow your own food. The difference is that we just don't need as many farmers because technology has improved. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) What do you mean? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) no money -> problems -> mental health problems permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) That's not a problem unique to capitalism. If you think there's something especially bad about capitalism, what is it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) not having money is not specific to capitalism. but that everything costs money, is. including food permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 months ago That has always been the case, unless you were a farmer. If you're a farmer today you can grow your own food. The difference is that we just don't need as many farmers because technology has improved. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) no money -> problems -> mental health problems permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) That's not a problem unique to capitalism. If you think there's something especially bad about capitalism, what is it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) not having money is not specific to capitalism. but that everything costs money, is. including food permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 months ago That has always been the case, unless you were a farmer. If you're a farmer today you can grow your own food. The difference is that we just don't need as many farmers because technology has improved. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) That's not a problem unique to capitalism. If you think there's something especially bad about capitalism, what is it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) not having money is not specific to capitalism. but that everything costs money, is. including food permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 months ago That has always been the case, unless you were a farmer. If you're a farmer today you can grow your own food. The difference is that we just don't need as many farmers because technology has improved. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) not having money is not specific to capitalism. but that everything costs money, is. including food permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 months ago That has always been the case, unless you were a farmer. If you're a farmer today you can grow your own food. The difference is that we just don't need as many farmers because technology has improved. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 months ago That has always been the case, unless you were a farmer. If you're a farmer today you can grow your own food. The difference is that we just don't need as many farmers because technology has improved. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 months ago (1 child) It sure is responsible for the prevalence of mental health problems today permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) How so? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] hark@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) Off-hand, I can see the affordability crisis and over-reliance on debt to finance people's lives, while at the same time threatening labor with outsourcing, AI, whatever to replace them and their ability to make a living leads to tremendous amounts of stress. A constant high level of stress is devastating for mental health. These all work together to squeeze people at both ends, maximizing money made off people just living and then offering paid services to promise relief (even though the situation the capitalist class has created is the problem itself). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 months ago (1 child) How is that "capitalism"? That's just poor people being exploited by the rich and powerful, as has always been the case. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] hark@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) Capitalism is the current system we're living in that is creating the rich and poor as they exist today. That isn't to say there isn't inequality in other systems, but it's possible to adopt a different system that is less open to abuse, just like how we moved on from feudalism. Why continue playing a game with fundamentally broken rules? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago (1 child) Is it really possible to adopt a different system that is less open to abuse? Are there real world examples, not just Star Trek? Communism is great in theory, but in practice it doesn't seem to allow for actual human nature. As a result, communist countries tend to quickly turn extremely authoritarian and are communist only in name. There are other systems that work for small, isolated communities, but they don't seem to work when done on a country-sized scale. Capitalism may suck, but capitalism in a democratic republic with a mix of socialist elements, especially as it's done in northern Europe seems like a good compromise between something that is actually workable in the real world, and something that gives people at the bottom some agency. Of course, that system needs to be regulated or it collapses back towards authoritarianism and feudalism. Northern Europe seems to be doing a pretty good job of regulating their systems, whereas countries like the US are failing in a spectacular way. But, if you can point to another system that has actually been tried and found to work in the real world, I'm happy to learn more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] mortalblade@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago (1 child) not muh human nature argument pls. If anything capitalism is the system more susceptible to antisocial behavior. it openly rewards it. I feel like youre more or less saying "yeah capitalism works just fine as long as we ignore the people that have to get crushed to death to sustain it" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago So, you're admitting capitalism is sustainable. That makes it unlike a system like communism which collapses into authoritarianism almost immediately. If you think there's a sustainable system that's better than capitalism, what is it? permalink fedilink source parent
[β] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) How so? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] hark@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) Off-hand, I can see the affordability crisis and over-reliance on debt to finance people's lives, while at the same time threatening labor with outsourcing, AI, whatever to replace them and their ability to make a living leads to tremendous amounts of stress. A constant high level of stress is devastating for mental health. These all work together to squeeze people at both ends, maximizing money made off people just living and then offering paid services to promise relief (even though the situation the capitalist class has created is the problem itself). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 months ago (1 child) How is that "capitalism"? That's just poor people being exploited by the rich and powerful, as has always been the case. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] hark@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) Capitalism is the current system we're living in that is creating the rich and poor as they exist today. That isn't to say there isn't inequality in other systems, but it's possible to adopt a different system that is less open to abuse, just like how we moved on from feudalism. Why continue playing a game with fundamentally broken rules? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago (1 child) Is it really possible to adopt a different system that is less open to abuse? Are there real world examples, not just Star Trek? Communism is great in theory, but in practice it doesn't seem to allow for actual human nature. As a result, communist countries tend to quickly turn extremely authoritarian and are communist only in name. There are other systems that work for small, isolated communities, but they don't seem to work when done on a country-sized scale. Capitalism may suck, but capitalism in a democratic republic with a mix of socialist elements, especially as it's done in northern Europe seems like a good compromise between something that is actually workable in the real world, and something that gives people at the bottom some agency. Of course, that system needs to be regulated or it collapses back towards authoritarianism and feudalism. Northern Europe seems to be doing a pretty good job of regulating their systems, whereas countries like the US are failing in a spectacular way. But, if you can point to another system that has actually been tried and found to work in the real world, I'm happy to learn more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] mortalblade@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago (1 child) not muh human nature argument pls. If anything capitalism is the system more susceptible to antisocial behavior. it openly rewards it. I feel like youre more or less saying "yeah capitalism works just fine as long as we ignore the people that have to get crushed to death to sustain it" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago So, you're admitting capitalism is sustainable. That makes it unlike a system like communism which collapses into authoritarianism almost immediately. If you think there's a sustainable system that's better than capitalism, what is it? permalink fedilink source parent
[β] hark@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) Off-hand, I can see the affordability crisis and over-reliance on debt to finance people's lives, while at the same time threatening labor with outsourcing, AI, whatever to replace them and their ability to make a living leads to tremendous amounts of stress. A constant high level of stress is devastating for mental health. These all work together to squeeze people at both ends, maximizing money made off people just living and then offering paid services to promise relief (even though the situation the capitalist class has created is the problem itself). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 months ago (1 child) How is that "capitalism"? That's just poor people being exploited by the rich and powerful, as has always been the case. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] hark@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) Capitalism is the current system we're living in that is creating the rich and poor as they exist today. That isn't to say there isn't inequality in other systems, but it's possible to adopt a different system that is less open to abuse, just like how we moved on from feudalism. Why continue playing a game with fundamentally broken rules? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago (1 child) Is it really possible to adopt a different system that is less open to abuse? Are there real world examples, not just Star Trek? Communism is great in theory, but in practice it doesn't seem to allow for actual human nature. As a result, communist countries tend to quickly turn extremely authoritarian and are communist only in name. There are other systems that work for small, isolated communities, but they don't seem to work when done on a country-sized scale. Capitalism may suck, but capitalism in a democratic republic with a mix of socialist elements, especially as it's done in northern Europe seems like a good compromise between something that is actually workable in the real world, and something that gives people at the bottom some agency. Of course, that system needs to be regulated or it collapses back towards authoritarianism and feudalism. Northern Europe seems to be doing a pretty good job of regulating their systems, whereas countries like the US are failing in a spectacular way. But, if you can point to another system that has actually been tried and found to work in the real world, I'm happy to learn more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] mortalblade@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago (1 child) not muh human nature argument pls. If anything capitalism is the system more susceptible to antisocial behavior. it openly rewards it. I feel like youre more or less saying "yeah capitalism works just fine as long as we ignore the people that have to get crushed to death to sustain it" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago So, you're admitting capitalism is sustainable. That makes it unlike a system like communism which collapses into authoritarianism almost immediately. If you think there's a sustainable system that's better than capitalism, what is it? permalink fedilink source parent
[β] merc@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 months ago (1 child) How is that "capitalism"? That's just poor people being exploited by the rich and powerful, as has always been the case. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] hark@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) Capitalism is the current system we're living in that is creating the rich and poor as they exist today. That isn't to say there isn't inequality in other systems, but it's possible to adopt a different system that is less open to abuse, just like how we moved on from feudalism. Why continue playing a game with fundamentally broken rules? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago (1 child) Is it really possible to adopt a different system that is less open to abuse? Are there real world examples, not just Star Trek? Communism is great in theory, but in practice it doesn't seem to allow for actual human nature. As a result, communist countries tend to quickly turn extremely authoritarian and are communist only in name. There are other systems that work for small, isolated communities, but they don't seem to work when done on a country-sized scale. Capitalism may suck, but capitalism in a democratic republic with a mix of socialist elements, especially as it's done in northern Europe seems like a good compromise between something that is actually workable in the real world, and something that gives people at the bottom some agency. Of course, that system needs to be regulated or it collapses back towards authoritarianism and feudalism. Northern Europe seems to be doing a pretty good job of regulating their systems, whereas countries like the US are failing in a spectacular way. But, if you can point to another system that has actually been tried and found to work in the real world, I'm happy to learn more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] mortalblade@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago (1 child) not muh human nature argument pls. If anything capitalism is the system more susceptible to antisocial behavior. it openly rewards it. I feel like youre more or less saying "yeah capitalism works just fine as long as we ignore the people that have to get crushed to death to sustain it" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago So, you're admitting capitalism is sustainable. That makes it unlike a system like communism which collapses into authoritarianism almost immediately. If you think there's a sustainable system that's better than capitalism, what is it? permalink fedilink source parent
[β] hark@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) Capitalism is the current system we're living in that is creating the rich and poor as they exist today. That isn't to say there isn't inequality in other systems, but it's possible to adopt a different system that is less open to abuse, just like how we moved on from feudalism. Why continue playing a game with fundamentally broken rules? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago (1 child) Is it really possible to adopt a different system that is less open to abuse? Are there real world examples, not just Star Trek? Communism is great in theory, but in practice it doesn't seem to allow for actual human nature. As a result, communist countries tend to quickly turn extremely authoritarian and are communist only in name. There are other systems that work for small, isolated communities, but they don't seem to work when done on a country-sized scale. Capitalism may suck, but capitalism in a democratic republic with a mix of socialist elements, especially as it's done in northern Europe seems like a good compromise between something that is actually workable in the real world, and something that gives people at the bottom some agency. Of course, that system needs to be regulated or it collapses back towards authoritarianism and feudalism. Northern Europe seems to be doing a pretty good job of regulating their systems, whereas countries like the US are failing in a spectacular way. But, if you can point to another system that has actually been tried and found to work in the real world, I'm happy to learn more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] mortalblade@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago (1 child) not muh human nature argument pls. If anything capitalism is the system more susceptible to antisocial behavior. it openly rewards it. I feel like youre more or less saying "yeah capitalism works just fine as long as we ignore the people that have to get crushed to death to sustain it" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago So, you're admitting capitalism is sustainable. That makes it unlike a system like communism which collapses into authoritarianism almost immediately. If you think there's a sustainable system that's better than capitalism, what is it? permalink fedilink source parent
[β] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago (1 child) Is it really possible to adopt a different system that is less open to abuse? Are there real world examples, not just Star Trek? Communism is great in theory, but in practice it doesn't seem to allow for actual human nature. As a result, communist countries tend to quickly turn extremely authoritarian and are communist only in name. There are other systems that work for small, isolated communities, but they don't seem to work when done on a country-sized scale. Capitalism may suck, but capitalism in a democratic republic with a mix of socialist elements, especially as it's done in northern Europe seems like a good compromise between something that is actually workable in the real world, and something that gives people at the bottom some agency. Of course, that system needs to be regulated or it collapses back towards authoritarianism and feudalism. Northern Europe seems to be doing a pretty good job of regulating their systems, whereas countries like the US are failing in a spectacular way. But, if you can point to another system that has actually been tried and found to work in the real world, I'm happy to learn more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] mortalblade@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago (1 child) not muh human nature argument pls. If anything capitalism is the system more susceptible to antisocial behavior. it openly rewards it. I feel like youre more or less saying "yeah capitalism works just fine as long as we ignore the people that have to get crushed to death to sustain it" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago So, you're admitting capitalism is sustainable. That makes it unlike a system like communism which collapses into authoritarianism almost immediately. If you think there's a sustainable system that's better than capitalism, what is it? permalink fedilink source parent
[β] mortalblade@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago (1 child) not muh human nature argument pls. If anything capitalism is the system more susceptible to antisocial behavior. it openly rewards it. I feel like youre more or less saying "yeah capitalism works just fine as long as we ignore the people that have to get crushed to death to sustain it" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago So, you're admitting capitalism is sustainable. That makes it unlike a system like communism which collapses into authoritarianism almost immediately. If you think there's a sustainable system that's better than capitalism, what is it? permalink fedilink source parent
[β] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago So, you're admitting capitalism is sustainable. That makes it unlike a system like communism which collapses into authoritarianism almost immediately. If you think there's a sustainable system that's better than capitalism, what is it? permalink fedilink source parent
[β] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 months ago Depression is not an medical issue and autism is not an illness. permalink fedilink source parent
