β² 618 βΌ Do you agree? (reddthat.com) submitted 2 months ago by LadyButterfly@reddthat.com to c/comicstrips@lemmy.world 34 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[β] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) How so? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] hark@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) Off-hand, I can see the affordability crisis and over-reliance on debt to finance people's lives, while at the same time threatening labor with outsourcing, AI, whatever to replace them and their ability to make a living leads to tremendous amounts of stress. A constant high level of stress is devastating for mental health. These all work together to squeeze people at both ends, maximizing money made off people just living and then offering paid services to promise relief (even though the situation the capitalist class has created is the problem itself). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 months ago (1 child) How is that "capitalism"? That's just poor people being exploited by the rich and powerful, as has always been the case. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] hark@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) Capitalism is the current system we're living in that is creating the rich and poor as they exist today. That isn't to say there isn't inequality in other systems, but it's possible to adopt a different system that is less open to abuse, just like how we moved on from feudalism. Why continue playing a game with fundamentally broken rules? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago (1 child) Is it really possible to adopt a different system that is less open to abuse? Are there real world examples, not just Star Trek? Communism is great in theory, but in practice it doesn't seem to allow for actual human nature. As a result, communist countries tend to quickly turn extremely authoritarian and are communist only in name. There are other systems that work for small, isolated communities, but they don't seem to work when done on a country-sized scale. Capitalism may suck, but capitalism in a democratic republic with a mix of socialist elements, especially as it's done in northern Europe seems like a good compromise between something that is actually workable in the real world, and something that gives people at the bottom some agency. Of course, that system needs to be regulated or it collapses back towards authoritarianism and feudalism. Northern Europe seems to be doing a pretty good job of regulating their systems, whereas countries like the US are failing in a spectacular way. But, if you can point to another system that has actually been tried and found to work in the real world, I'm happy to learn more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] mortalblade@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago (1 child) not muh human nature argument pls. If anything capitalism is the system more susceptible to antisocial behavior. it openly rewards it. I feel like youre more or less saying "yeah capitalism works just fine as long as we ignore the people that have to get crushed to death to sustain it" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago So, you're admitting capitalism is sustainable. That makes it unlike a system like communism which collapses into authoritarianism almost immediately. If you think there's a sustainable system that's better than capitalism, what is it? permalink fedilink source parent
[β] hark@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) Off-hand, I can see the affordability crisis and over-reliance on debt to finance people's lives, while at the same time threatening labor with outsourcing, AI, whatever to replace them and their ability to make a living leads to tremendous amounts of stress. A constant high level of stress is devastating for mental health. These all work together to squeeze people at both ends, maximizing money made off people just living and then offering paid services to promise relief (even though the situation the capitalist class has created is the problem itself). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 months ago (1 child) How is that "capitalism"? That's just poor people being exploited by the rich and powerful, as has always been the case. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] hark@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) Capitalism is the current system we're living in that is creating the rich and poor as they exist today. That isn't to say there isn't inequality in other systems, but it's possible to adopt a different system that is less open to abuse, just like how we moved on from feudalism. Why continue playing a game with fundamentally broken rules? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago (1 child) Is it really possible to adopt a different system that is less open to abuse? Are there real world examples, not just Star Trek? Communism is great in theory, but in practice it doesn't seem to allow for actual human nature. As a result, communist countries tend to quickly turn extremely authoritarian and are communist only in name. There are other systems that work for small, isolated communities, but they don't seem to work when done on a country-sized scale. Capitalism may suck, but capitalism in a democratic republic with a mix of socialist elements, especially as it's done in northern Europe seems like a good compromise between something that is actually workable in the real world, and something that gives people at the bottom some agency. Of course, that system needs to be regulated or it collapses back towards authoritarianism and feudalism. Northern Europe seems to be doing a pretty good job of regulating their systems, whereas countries like the US are failing in a spectacular way. But, if you can point to another system that has actually been tried and found to work in the real world, I'm happy to learn more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] mortalblade@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago (1 child) not muh human nature argument pls. If anything capitalism is the system more susceptible to antisocial behavior. it openly rewards it. I feel like youre more or less saying "yeah capitalism works just fine as long as we ignore the people that have to get crushed to death to sustain it" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago So, you're admitting capitalism is sustainable. That makes it unlike a system like communism which collapses into authoritarianism almost immediately. If you think there's a sustainable system that's better than capitalism, what is it? permalink fedilink source parent
[β] merc@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 months ago (1 child) How is that "capitalism"? That's just poor people being exploited by the rich and powerful, as has always been the case. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] hark@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) Capitalism is the current system we're living in that is creating the rich and poor as they exist today. That isn't to say there isn't inequality in other systems, but it's possible to adopt a different system that is less open to abuse, just like how we moved on from feudalism. Why continue playing a game with fundamentally broken rules? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago (1 child) Is it really possible to adopt a different system that is less open to abuse? Are there real world examples, not just Star Trek? Communism is great in theory, but in practice it doesn't seem to allow for actual human nature. As a result, communist countries tend to quickly turn extremely authoritarian and are communist only in name. There are other systems that work for small, isolated communities, but they don't seem to work when done on a country-sized scale. Capitalism may suck, but capitalism in a democratic republic with a mix of socialist elements, especially as it's done in northern Europe seems like a good compromise between something that is actually workable in the real world, and something that gives people at the bottom some agency. Of course, that system needs to be regulated or it collapses back towards authoritarianism and feudalism. Northern Europe seems to be doing a pretty good job of regulating their systems, whereas countries like the US are failing in a spectacular way. But, if you can point to another system that has actually been tried and found to work in the real world, I'm happy to learn more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] mortalblade@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago (1 child) not muh human nature argument pls. If anything capitalism is the system more susceptible to antisocial behavior. it openly rewards it. I feel like youre more or less saying "yeah capitalism works just fine as long as we ignore the people that have to get crushed to death to sustain it" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago So, you're admitting capitalism is sustainable. That makes it unlike a system like communism which collapses into authoritarianism almost immediately. If you think there's a sustainable system that's better than capitalism, what is it? permalink fedilink source parent
[β] hark@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) Capitalism is the current system we're living in that is creating the rich and poor as they exist today. That isn't to say there isn't inequality in other systems, but it's possible to adopt a different system that is less open to abuse, just like how we moved on from feudalism. Why continue playing a game with fundamentally broken rules? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago (1 child) Is it really possible to adopt a different system that is less open to abuse? Are there real world examples, not just Star Trek? Communism is great in theory, but in practice it doesn't seem to allow for actual human nature. As a result, communist countries tend to quickly turn extremely authoritarian and are communist only in name. There are other systems that work for small, isolated communities, but they don't seem to work when done on a country-sized scale. Capitalism may suck, but capitalism in a democratic republic with a mix of socialist elements, especially as it's done in northern Europe seems like a good compromise between something that is actually workable in the real world, and something that gives people at the bottom some agency. Of course, that system needs to be regulated or it collapses back towards authoritarianism and feudalism. Northern Europe seems to be doing a pretty good job of regulating their systems, whereas countries like the US are failing in a spectacular way. But, if you can point to another system that has actually been tried and found to work in the real world, I'm happy to learn more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] mortalblade@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago (1 child) not muh human nature argument pls. If anything capitalism is the system more susceptible to antisocial behavior. it openly rewards it. I feel like youre more or less saying "yeah capitalism works just fine as long as we ignore the people that have to get crushed to death to sustain it" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago So, you're admitting capitalism is sustainable. That makes it unlike a system like communism which collapses into authoritarianism almost immediately. If you think there's a sustainable system that's better than capitalism, what is it? permalink fedilink source parent
[β] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago (1 child) Is it really possible to adopt a different system that is less open to abuse? Are there real world examples, not just Star Trek? Communism is great in theory, but in practice it doesn't seem to allow for actual human nature. As a result, communist countries tend to quickly turn extremely authoritarian and are communist only in name. There are other systems that work for small, isolated communities, but they don't seem to work when done on a country-sized scale. Capitalism may suck, but capitalism in a democratic republic with a mix of socialist elements, especially as it's done in northern Europe seems like a good compromise between something that is actually workable in the real world, and something that gives people at the bottom some agency. Of course, that system needs to be regulated or it collapses back towards authoritarianism and feudalism. Northern Europe seems to be doing a pretty good job of regulating their systems, whereas countries like the US are failing in a spectacular way. But, if you can point to another system that has actually been tried and found to work in the real world, I'm happy to learn more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] mortalblade@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago (1 child) not muh human nature argument pls. If anything capitalism is the system more susceptible to antisocial behavior. it openly rewards it. I feel like youre more or less saying "yeah capitalism works just fine as long as we ignore the people that have to get crushed to death to sustain it" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago So, you're admitting capitalism is sustainable. That makes it unlike a system like communism which collapses into authoritarianism almost immediately. If you think there's a sustainable system that's better than capitalism, what is it? permalink fedilink source parent
[β] mortalblade@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago (1 child) not muh human nature argument pls. If anything capitalism is the system more susceptible to antisocial behavior. it openly rewards it. I feel like youre more or less saying "yeah capitalism works just fine as long as we ignore the people that have to get crushed to death to sustain it" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago So, you're admitting capitalism is sustainable. That makes it unlike a system like communism which collapses into authoritarianism almost immediately. If you think there's a sustainable system that's better than capitalism, what is it? permalink fedilink source parent
[β] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago So, you're admitting capitalism is sustainable. That makes it unlike a system like communism which collapses into authoritarianism almost immediately. If you think there's a sustainable system that's better than capitalism, what is it? permalink fedilink source parent
