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[+] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 52 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 3 years ago (3 children) Work in IT. Start at 9:00 Lunch 13:00-14:00 Go home at 18:00 Commute (if construction does not tear up the main crossing) is around 30min 1-way with bus or a 15-20min bicycle ride. Experience: About 5 years without college/uni. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 3 years ago (1 child) if construction does not tear up It's München time permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tostiman@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 years ago Entirety of Germany in my experience. Germans love their Baustelle permalink fedilink source parent [–] nomadjoanne@lemmy.world 8 points 3 years ago (1 child) I think IT might not be as easy as you think. Academia is a bit more open. IT isn't quite high skilled enough to get in. They'd almost certainly need an employer to say they couldn't find a European to do the job, which is exceedingly unlikely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) I don't know if I quite get what you are saying... You mean it from the perspective of a US based company? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sushibowl@feddit.nl 6 points 3 years ago (2 children) I think he's saying it's harder to get a work visa taking a job in IT, as the EU company would have to first prove that they couldn't find a European citizen to take the job before they can start hiring foreigners. It hasn't been my experience though, we hire lots of foreigners on work visas. Many from India and former Soviet countries especially. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] nomadjoanne@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Yeah, that's what I was saying. In Spain we do have non-EU people, but oftentimes they come here, live in Spain "irregularly" at some point, and then manage to get residency through means other than an employer sponsoring them. That might not be the case everywhere though. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) I'm not in a big corp so I can just assume: Do some countries require to proof local citizens are not worthy enough so you need to import work force from abroad? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sushibowl@feddit.nl 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Yeah, many countries do this. It's common in Europe but the US does it also. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Kinda surprised because you read so much stories about outsourcing workforce to "3rd world" countries in Asia and Africa/S.America. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sushibowl@feddit.nl 1 point 3 years ago Outsourcing generally means that you hire a (often foreign) consulting company to do your work for you, instead of having your own employees do it. That's much different from getting an immigrant a work visa and having them work for you. permalink fedilink source parent [–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) Work in IT. Start at 9:00 Lunch 13:00-14:00 Go home at 18:00 IT Job I left: start at 8 coffee 10-1030-ish (sometimes like 11) lunch at 12-13 second coffee 15-1530 leave at 1647, home by 1720 by train -- tools down, muthafuckas voluntary standby for 1/4 time and immediate double-time for callouts, sanctity of personal time otherwise. union, 9x9 work term, no abrupt firings. EXACTLY on the median base salary for my job+region, which includes dot-coms. in north america, no less. Experience: About 5 years without college/uni. Experience: my soul. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] drzoidberg@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago* Both of y'all are melting American brains trying to do the math on figuring out what times you're talking about. Most Americans have no clue that 13:00 is 1:00pm because 12+1 is too difficult, and God help you if you say 22:00, because 22-12 might as well be euclidean geometry. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BigBen103@lemm.ee 27 points 3 years ago (2 children) Maybe you don't need the language for work. But you will need te learn the language eventually for other day to day interactions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 3 years ago (2 children) Or the paper works outside of the labs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 18 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Redredme@lemmy.world 8 points 3 years ago (3 children) Dutchie here, we do the same. Everybody speaks (some form of) English, almost everything is also available in English. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Jazard23@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) This is true but also keep in mind that Dutch is still leading in most cases. E.g. if you have a contract that's both in English and Dutch, if issues arise the Dutch translation will usually be the one that is followed permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 years ago Dutch is still leading in most cases. Sint Maarten should check-in and tell us about the English-Dutch separation and the class system it all but foments. It's 90% fascinating if 10% disappointing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] baropithecus@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago The Dutch speak better English than some parts of England. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Kaped@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 years ago My experience is purely based on Germany and I hate it even as a native. Plus having ADHD and paper being a chore doesnt help at all... Also most folks (in my experience of south west Germany) of age >40-50 have little experience with English and can't converse beyond the most basics. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ezures@lemmy.wtf 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) For some reason France really doesn't like giving english (or any other than french) options on their gov sites. Every other country in the eu are fine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 years ago* In France, I feel French is heavily a part of their identity; and contrary to Americans fairweather-jeering their best revolutionary ally, the French do not surrender lightly. It feels like that's the one thing even the poorest French person has, and taking away one iota of that will be met with a resistance we've learned to respect. permalink fedilink source parent [–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) but in Norway [:] English. Everyone speaks it Scandinavia is absolutely killing it for bilingualism, among so many other ways they're killin' it -- no, really, other countries should just study them for clues in general. My experiences (just Sweden, Denmark and bonus Iceland, so far) is that they say Hej and listen for your "hello", flipping over into beautiful and perfect English without hesitation. Their language programmes are just fucking astounding, really. Spain's fine in the touristy spots, but Spanish itself is VERY accessible as a language, so it's kinda moot like France. In Germany I will have to rely heavily on the kindness of strangers as I will never grok the language. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] IuseArchbtw@feddit.de 4 points 3 years ago (2 children) I would most certainly disagree that every person speaks English. Especially older people don't, but in general many people here do not speak a good english permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] IuseArchbtw@feddit.de 3 points 3 years ago Oh, I see that I totally forgot to mention I'm from Germany permalink fedilink source parent [+] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] sederx@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago never needed german knowledge to do standard burocracy stuff permalink fedilink source parent [–] sederx@programming.dev -1 points 2 years ago im in the country for almost 10 years now without speaking a word. not true. permalink fedilink source parent [–] jigsaw250@lemmy.world 8 points 3 years ago (6 children) Seven hour day with an hour and fifteen minute lunch. What kind of magic is this? What's the catch? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world 30 points 3 years ago The catch is that you live in Europe and cops won't beat you to death. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gingernate@lemmy.world 19 points 3 years ago sOcIaLiSm permalink fedilink source parent [+] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 6 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.mindoki.com 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) 30-45 minutes for lunch, where do you live, in the Netherlands? In France it's 1h30 usually (give or take a bit depending the company). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] CoolBeance@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago Well this might be an anomaly but the company I worked for in the Philippines gave you a dedicated hour for lunch and two 15-minute breaks, plus two hours weekly for any of the workshops/learning opportunities they provide. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sederx@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago lol i work a third of that permalink fedilink source parent [+] Kaped@lemmy.ml -2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] placq@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago* (1 child) In what country do you work? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CurlyMoustache@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) I work in the public sector. If I start my day at 06.00, I can leave at 14.30 👌 Perfect for me since I am an early riser and the days are slowly getting darker and darker again permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 5 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 3 years ago (3 children) Work in IT. Start at 9:00 Lunch 13:00-14:00 Go home at 18:00 Commute (if construction does not tear up the main crossing) is around 30min 1-way with bus or a 15-20min bicycle ride. Experience: About 5 years without college/uni. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 3 years ago (1 child) if construction does not tear up It's München time permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tostiman@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 years ago Entirety of Germany in my experience. Germans love their Baustelle permalink fedilink source parent [–] nomadjoanne@lemmy.world 8 points 3 years ago (1 child) I think IT might not be as easy as you think. Academia is a bit more open. IT isn't quite high skilled enough to get in. They'd almost certainly need an employer to say they couldn't find a European to do the job, which is exceedingly unlikely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) I don't know if I quite get what you are saying... You mean it from the perspective of a US based company? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sushibowl@feddit.nl 6 points 3 years ago (2 children) I think he's saying it's harder to get a work visa taking a job in IT, as the EU company would have to first prove that they couldn't find a European citizen to take the job before they can start hiring foreigners. It hasn't been my experience though, we hire lots of foreigners on work visas. Many from India and former Soviet countries especially. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] nomadjoanne@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Yeah, that's what I was saying. In Spain we do have non-EU people, but oftentimes they come here, live in Spain "irregularly" at some point, and then manage to get residency through means other than an employer sponsoring them. That might not be the case everywhere though. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) I'm not in a big corp so I can just assume: Do some countries require to proof local citizens are not worthy enough so you need to import work force from abroad? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sushibowl@feddit.nl 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Yeah, many countries do this. It's common in Europe but the US does it also. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Kinda surprised because you read so much stories about outsourcing workforce to "3rd world" countries in Asia and Africa/S.America. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sushibowl@feddit.nl 1 point 3 years ago Outsourcing generally means that you hire a (often foreign) consulting company to do your work for you, instead of having your own employees do it. That's much different from getting an immigrant a work visa and having them work for you. permalink fedilink source parent [–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) Work in IT. Start at 9:00 Lunch 13:00-14:00 Go home at 18:00 IT Job I left: start at 8 coffee 10-1030-ish (sometimes like 11) lunch at 12-13 second coffee 15-1530 leave at 1647, home by 1720 by train -- tools down, muthafuckas voluntary standby for 1/4 time and immediate double-time for callouts, sanctity of personal time otherwise. union, 9x9 work term, no abrupt firings. EXACTLY on the median base salary for my job+region, which includes dot-coms. in north america, no less. Experience: About 5 years without college/uni. Experience: my soul. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] drzoidberg@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago* Both of y'all are melting American brains trying to do the math on figuring out what times you're talking about. Most Americans have no clue that 13:00 is 1:00pm because 12+1 is too difficult, and God help you if you say 22:00, because 22-12 might as well be euclidean geometry. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 3 years ago (1 child) if construction does not tear up It's München time permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tostiman@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 years ago Entirety of Germany in my experience. Germans love their Baustelle permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tostiman@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 years ago Entirety of Germany in my experience. Germans love their Baustelle permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nomadjoanne@lemmy.world 8 points 3 years ago (1 child) I think IT might not be as easy as you think. Academia is a bit more open. IT isn't quite high skilled enough to get in. They'd almost certainly need an employer to say they couldn't find a European to do the job, which is exceedingly unlikely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) I don't know if I quite get what you are saying... You mean it from the perspective of a US based company? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sushibowl@feddit.nl 6 points 3 years ago (2 children) I think he's saying it's harder to get a work visa taking a job in IT, as the EU company would have to first prove that they couldn't find a European citizen to take the job before they can start hiring foreigners. It hasn't been my experience though, we hire lots of foreigners on work visas. Many from India and former Soviet countries especially. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] nomadjoanne@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Yeah, that's what I was saying. In Spain we do have non-EU people, but oftentimes they come here, live in Spain "irregularly" at some point, and then manage to get residency through means other than an employer sponsoring them. That might not be the case everywhere though. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) I'm not in a big corp so I can just assume: Do some countries require to proof local citizens are not worthy enough so you need to import work force from abroad? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sushibowl@feddit.nl 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Yeah, many countries do this. It's common in Europe but the US does it also. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Kinda surprised because you read so much stories about outsourcing workforce to "3rd world" countries in Asia and Africa/S.America. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sushibowl@feddit.nl 1 point 3 years ago Outsourcing generally means that you hire a (often foreign) consulting company to do your work for you, instead of having your own employees do it. That's much different from getting an immigrant a work visa and having them work for you. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) I don't know if I quite get what you are saying... You mean it from the perspective of a US based company? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sushibowl@feddit.nl 6 points 3 years ago (2 children) I think he's saying it's harder to get a work visa taking a job in IT, as the EU company would have to first prove that they couldn't find a European citizen to take the job before they can start hiring foreigners. It hasn't been my experience though, we hire lots of foreigners on work visas. Many from India and former Soviet countries especially. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] nomadjoanne@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Yeah, that's what I was saying. In Spain we do have non-EU people, but oftentimes they come here, live in Spain "irregularly" at some point, and then manage to get residency through means other than an employer sponsoring them. That might not be the case everywhere though. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) I'm not in a big corp so I can just assume: Do some countries require to proof local citizens are not worthy enough so you need to import work force from abroad? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sushibowl@feddit.nl 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Yeah, many countries do this. It's common in Europe but the US does it also. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Kinda surprised because you read so much stories about outsourcing workforce to "3rd world" countries in Asia and Africa/S.America. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sushibowl@feddit.nl 1 point 3 years ago Outsourcing generally means that you hire a (often foreign) consulting company to do your work for you, instead of having your own employees do it. That's much different from getting an immigrant a work visa and having them work for you. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sushibowl@feddit.nl 6 points 3 years ago (2 children) I think he's saying it's harder to get a work visa taking a job in IT, as the EU company would have to first prove that they couldn't find a European citizen to take the job before they can start hiring foreigners. It hasn't been my experience though, we hire lots of foreigners on work visas. Many from India and former Soviet countries especially. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] nomadjoanne@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Yeah, that's what I was saying. In Spain we do have non-EU people, but oftentimes they come here, live in Spain "irregularly" at some point, and then manage to get residency through means other than an employer sponsoring them. That might not be the case everywhere though. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) I'm not in a big corp so I can just assume: Do some countries require to proof local citizens are not worthy enough so you need to import work force from abroad? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sushibowl@feddit.nl 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Yeah, many countries do this. It's common in Europe but the US does it also. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Kinda surprised because you read so much stories about outsourcing workforce to "3rd world" countries in Asia and Africa/S.America. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sushibowl@feddit.nl 1 point 3 years ago Outsourcing generally means that you hire a (often foreign) consulting company to do your work for you, instead of having your own employees do it. That's much different from getting an immigrant a work visa and having them work for you. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nomadjoanne@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Yeah, that's what I was saying. In Spain we do have non-EU people, but oftentimes they come here, live in Spain "irregularly" at some point, and then manage to get residency through means other than an employer sponsoring them. That might not be the case everywhere though. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) I'm not in a big corp so I can just assume: Do some countries require to proof local citizens are not worthy enough so you need to import work force from abroad? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sushibowl@feddit.nl 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Yeah, many countries do this. It's common in Europe but the US does it also. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Kinda surprised because you read so much stories about outsourcing workforce to "3rd world" countries in Asia and Africa/S.America. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sushibowl@feddit.nl 1 point 3 years ago Outsourcing generally means that you hire a (often foreign) consulting company to do your work for you, instead of having your own employees do it. That's much different from getting an immigrant a work visa and having them work for you. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sushibowl@feddit.nl 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Yeah, many countries do this. It's common in Europe but the US does it also. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Kinda surprised because you read so much stories about outsourcing workforce to "3rd world" countries in Asia and Africa/S.America. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sushibowl@feddit.nl 1 point 3 years ago Outsourcing generally means that you hire a (often foreign) consulting company to do your work for you, instead of having your own employees do it. That's much different from getting an immigrant a work visa and having them work for you. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Kinda surprised because you read so much stories about outsourcing workforce to "3rd world" countries in Asia and Africa/S.America. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sushibowl@feddit.nl 1 point 3 years ago Outsourcing generally means that you hire a (often foreign) consulting company to do your work for you, instead of having your own employees do it. That's much different from getting an immigrant a work visa and having them work for you. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sushibowl@feddit.nl 1 point 3 years ago Outsourcing generally means that you hire a (often foreign) consulting company to do your work for you, instead of having your own employees do it. That's much different from getting an immigrant a work visa and having them work for you. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) Work in IT. Start at 9:00 Lunch 13:00-14:00 Go home at 18:00 IT Job I left: start at 8 coffee 10-1030-ish (sometimes like 11) lunch at 12-13 second coffee 15-1530 leave at 1647, home by 1720 by train -- tools down, muthafuckas voluntary standby for 1/4 time and immediate double-time for callouts, sanctity of personal time otherwise. union, 9x9 work term, no abrupt firings. EXACTLY on the median base salary for my job+region, which includes dot-coms. in north america, no less. Experience: About 5 years without college/uni. Experience: my soul. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] drzoidberg@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago* Both of y'all are melting American brains trying to do the math on figuring out what times you're talking about. Most Americans have no clue that 13:00 is 1:00pm because 12+1 is too difficult, and God help you if you say 22:00, because 22-12 might as well be euclidean geometry. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] drzoidberg@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago* Both of y'all are melting American brains trying to do the math on figuring out what times you're talking about. Most Americans have no clue that 13:00 is 1:00pm because 12+1 is too difficult, and God help you if you say 22:00, because 22-12 might as well be euclidean geometry. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BigBen103@lemm.ee 27 points 3 years ago (2 children) Maybe you don't need the language for work. But you will need te learn the language eventually for other day to day interactions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 3 years ago (2 children) Or the paper works outside of the labs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 18 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Redredme@lemmy.world 8 points 3 years ago (3 children) Dutchie here, we do the same. Everybody speaks (some form of) English, almost everything is also available in English. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Jazard23@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) This is true but also keep in mind that Dutch is still leading in most cases. E.g. if you have a contract that's both in English and Dutch, if issues arise the Dutch translation will usually be the one that is followed permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 years ago Dutch is still leading in most cases. Sint Maarten should check-in and tell us about the English-Dutch separation and the class system it all but foments. It's 90% fascinating if 10% disappointing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] baropithecus@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago The Dutch speak better English than some parts of England. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Kaped@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 years ago My experience is purely based on Germany and I hate it even as a native. Plus having ADHD and paper being a chore doesnt help at all... Also most folks (in my experience of south west Germany) of age >40-50 have little experience with English and can't converse beyond the most basics. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ezures@lemmy.wtf 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) For some reason France really doesn't like giving english (or any other than french) options on their gov sites. Every other country in the eu are fine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 years ago* In France, I feel French is heavily a part of their identity; and contrary to Americans fairweather-jeering their best revolutionary ally, the French do not surrender lightly. It feels like that's the one thing even the poorest French person has, and taking away one iota of that will be met with a resistance we've learned to respect. permalink fedilink source parent [–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) but in Norway [:] English. Everyone speaks it Scandinavia is absolutely killing it for bilingualism, among so many other ways they're killin' it -- no, really, other countries should just study them for clues in general. My experiences (just Sweden, Denmark and bonus Iceland, so far) is that they say Hej and listen for your "hello", flipping over into beautiful and perfect English without hesitation. Their language programmes are just fucking astounding, really. Spain's fine in the touristy spots, but Spanish itself is VERY accessible as a language, so it's kinda moot like France. In Germany I will have to rely heavily on the kindness of strangers as I will never grok the language. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] IuseArchbtw@feddit.de 4 points 3 years ago (2 children) I would most certainly disagree that every person speaks English. Especially older people don't, but in general many people here do not speak a good english permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] IuseArchbtw@feddit.de 3 points 3 years ago Oh, I see that I totally forgot to mention I'm from Germany permalink fedilink source parent [+] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] sederx@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago never needed german knowledge to do standard burocracy stuff permalink fedilink source parent [–] sederx@programming.dev -1 points 2 years ago im in the country for almost 10 years now without speaking a word. not true. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 3 years ago (2 children) Or the paper works outside of the labs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 18 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Redredme@lemmy.world 8 points 3 years ago (3 children) Dutchie here, we do the same. Everybody speaks (some form of) English, almost everything is also available in English. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Jazard23@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) This is true but also keep in mind that Dutch is still leading in most cases. E.g. if you have a contract that's both in English and Dutch, if issues arise the Dutch translation will usually be the one that is followed permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 years ago Dutch is still leading in most cases. Sint Maarten should check-in and tell us about the English-Dutch separation and the class system it all but foments. It's 90% fascinating if 10% disappointing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] baropithecus@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago The Dutch speak better English than some parts of England. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Kaped@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 years ago My experience is purely based on Germany and I hate it even as a native. Plus having ADHD and paper being a chore doesnt help at all... Also most folks (in my experience of south west Germany) of age >40-50 have little experience with English and can't converse beyond the most basics. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ezures@lemmy.wtf 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) For some reason France really doesn't like giving english (or any other than french) options on their gov sites. Every other country in the eu are fine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 years ago* In France, I feel French is heavily a part of their identity; and contrary to Americans fairweather-jeering their best revolutionary ally, the French do not surrender lightly. It feels like that's the one thing even the poorest French person has, and taking away one iota of that will be met with a resistance we've learned to respect. permalink fedilink source parent [–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) but in Norway [:] English. Everyone speaks it Scandinavia is absolutely killing it for bilingualism, among so many other ways they're killin' it -- no, really, other countries should just study them for clues in general. My experiences (just Sweden, Denmark and bonus Iceland, so far) is that they say Hej and listen for your "hello", flipping over into beautiful and perfect English without hesitation. Their language programmes are just fucking astounding, really. Spain's fine in the touristy spots, but Spanish itself is VERY accessible as a language, so it's kinda moot like France. In Germany I will have to rely heavily on the kindness of strangers as I will never grok the language. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] IuseArchbtw@feddit.de 4 points 3 years ago (2 children) I would most certainly disagree that every person speaks English. Especially older people don't, but in general many people here do not speak a good english permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] IuseArchbtw@feddit.de 3 points 3 years ago Oh, I see that I totally forgot to mention I'm from Germany permalink fedilink source parent [+] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] sederx@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago never needed german knowledge to do standard burocracy stuff permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 18 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Redredme@lemmy.world 8 points 3 years ago (3 children) Dutchie here, we do the same. Everybody speaks (some form of) English, almost everything is also available in English. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Jazard23@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) This is true but also keep in mind that Dutch is still leading in most cases. E.g. if you have a contract that's both in English and Dutch, if issues arise the Dutch translation will usually be the one that is followed permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 years ago Dutch is still leading in most cases. Sint Maarten should check-in and tell us about the English-Dutch separation and the class system it all but foments. It's 90% fascinating if 10% disappointing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] baropithecus@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago The Dutch speak better English than some parts of England. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Kaped@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 years ago My experience is purely based on Germany and I hate it even as a native. Plus having ADHD and paper being a chore doesnt help at all... Also most folks (in my experience of south west Germany) of age >40-50 have little experience with English and can't converse beyond the most basics. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ezures@lemmy.wtf 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) For some reason France really doesn't like giving english (or any other than french) options on their gov sites. Every other country in the eu are fine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 years ago* In France, I feel French is heavily a part of their identity; and contrary to Americans fairweather-jeering their best revolutionary ally, the French do not surrender lightly. It feels like that's the one thing even the poorest French person has, and taking away one iota of that will be met with a resistance we've learned to respect. permalink fedilink source parent [–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) but in Norway [:] English. Everyone speaks it Scandinavia is absolutely killing it for bilingualism, among so many other ways they're killin' it -- no, really, other countries should just study them for clues in general. My experiences (just Sweden, Denmark and bonus Iceland, so far) is that they say Hej and listen for your "hello", flipping over into beautiful and perfect English without hesitation. Their language programmes are just fucking astounding, really. Spain's fine in the touristy spots, but Spanish itself is VERY accessible as a language, so it's kinda moot like France. In Germany I will have to rely heavily on the kindness of strangers as I will never grok the language. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] IuseArchbtw@feddit.de 4 points 3 years ago (2 children) I would most certainly disagree that every person speaks English. Especially older people don't, but in general many people here do not speak a good english permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] IuseArchbtw@feddit.de 3 points 3 years ago Oh, I see that I totally forgot to mention I'm from Germany permalink fedilink source parent [+] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Redredme@lemmy.world 8 points 3 years ago (3 children) Dutchie here, we do the same. Everybody speaks (some form of) English, almost everything is also available in English. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Jazard23@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) This is true but also keep in mind that Dutch is still leading in most cases. E.g. if you have a contract that's both in English and Dutch, if issues arise the Dutch translation will usually be the one that is followed permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 years ago Dutch is still leading in most cases. Sint Maarten should check-in and tell us about the English-Dutch separation and the class system it all but foments. It's 90% fascinating if 10% disappointing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] baropithecus@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago The Dutch speak better English than some parts of England. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Kaped@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jazard23@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) This is true but also keep in mind that Dutch is still leading in most cases. E.g. if you have a contract that's both in English and Dutch, if issues arise the Dutch translation will usually be the one that is followed permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 years ago Dutch is still leading in most cases. Sint Maarten should check-in and tell us about the English-Dutch separation and the class system it all but foments. It's 90% fascinating if 10% disappointing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 years ago Dutch is still leading in most cases. Sint Maarten should check-in and tell us about the English-Dutch separation and the class system it all but foments. It's 90% fascinating if 10% disappointing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] baropithecus@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago The Dutch speak better English than some parts of England. permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 years ago My experience is purely based on Germany and I hate it even as a native. Plus having ADHD and paper being a chore doesnt help at all... Also most folks (in my experience of south west Germany) of age >40-50 have little experience with English and can't converse beyond the most basics. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ezures@lemmy.wtf 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) For some reason France really doesn't like giving english (or any other than french) options on their gov sites. Every other country in the eu are fine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 years ago* In France, I feel French is heavily a part of their identity; and contrary to Americans fairweather-jeering their best revolutionary ally, the French do not surrender lightly. It feels like that's the one thing even the poorest French person has, and taking away one iota of that will be met with a resistance we've learned to respect. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 years ago* In France, I feel French is heavily a part of their identity; and contrary to Americans fairweather-jeering their best revolutionary ally, the French do not surrender lightly. It feels like that's the one thing even the poorest French person has, and taking away one iota of that will be met with a resistance we've learned to respect. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) but in Norway [:] English. Everyone speaks it Scandinavia is absolutely killing it for bilingualism, among so many other ways they're killin' it -- no, really, other countries should just study them for clues in general. My experiences (just Sweden, Denmark and bonus Iceland, so far) is that they say Hej and listen for your "hello", flipping over into beautiful and perfect English without hesitation. Their language programmes are just fucking astounding, really. Spain's fine in the touristy spots, but Spanish itself is VERY accessible as a language, so it's kinda moot like France. In Germany I will have to rely heavily on the kindness of strangers as I will never grok the language. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] IuseArchbtw@feddit.de 4 points 3 years ago (2 children) I would most certainly disagree that every person speaks English. Especially older people don't, but in general many people here do not speak a good english permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] IuseArchbtw@feddit.de 3 points 3 years ago Oh, I see that I totally forgot to mention I'm from Germany permalink fedilink source parent [+] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IuseArchbtw@feddit.de 3 points 3 years ago Oh, I see that I totally forgot to mention I'm from Germany permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sederx@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago never needed german knowledge to do standard burocracy stuff permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sederx@programming.dev -1 points 2 years ago im in the country for almost 10 years now without speaking a word. not true. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jigsaw250@lemmy.world 8 points 3 years ago (6 children) Seven hour day with an hour and fifteen minute lunch. What kind of magic is this? What's the catch? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world 30 points 3 years ago The catch is that you live in Europe and cops won't beat you to death. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gingernate@lemmy.world 19 points 3 years ago sOcIaLiSm permalink fedilink source parent [+] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 6 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.mindoki.com 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) 30-45 minutes for lunch, where do you live, in the Netherlands? In France it's 1h30 usually (give or take a bit depending the company). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] CoolBeance@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago Well this might be an anomaly but the company I worked for in the Philippines gave you a dedicated hour for lunch and two 15-minute breaks, plus two hours weekly for any of the workshops/learning opportunities they provide. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sederx@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago lol i work a third of that permalink fedilink source parent [+] Kaped@lemmy.ml -2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Aux@lemmy.world 30 points 3 years ago The catch is that you live in Europe and cops won't beat you to death. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 6 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.mindoki.com 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) 30-45 minutes for lunch, where do you live, in the Netherlands? In France it's 1h30 usually (give or take a bit depending the company). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Valmond@lemmy.mindoki.com 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) 30-45 minutes for lunch, where do you live, in the Netherlands? In France it's 1h30 usually (give or take a bit depending the company). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] CoolBeance@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago Well this might be an anomaly but the company I worked for in the Philippines gave you a dedicated hour for lunch and two 15-minute breaks, plus two hours weekly for any of the workshops/learning opportunities they provide. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sederx@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago lol i work a third of that permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] placq@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago* (1 child) In what country do you work? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CurlyMoustache@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) I work in the public sector. If I start my day at 06.00, I can leave at 14.30 👌 Perfect for me since I am an early riser and the days are slowly getting darker and darker again permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 5 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CurlyMoustache@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) I work in the public sector. If I start my day at 06.00, I can leave at 14.30 👌 Perfect for me since I am an early riser and the days are slowly getting darker and darker again permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 5 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CurlyMoustache@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) I work in the public sector. If I start my day at 06.00, I can leave at 14.30 👌 Perfect for me since I am an early riser and the days are slowly getting darker and darker again permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 5 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
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