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[–] 214 points 2 months ago (21 children)

Some things I've learned throughout the years that may be useful to some people:

  • if your aim is to use a lot of energy, dialing down the intensity significantly and working for a longer time is the way to go
  • basically all cardio machines at the gym are going to be boring as all hell, going outside and doing activities is a lot more fun
  • baking in activity into your day-to-day routines is very helpful. Transporting yourself by biking, walking, taking transit, a mix of all of the above makes a large difference
  • cardio as a means of losing weight has a downside in that vigorous exercise provokes a lot of hunger. make sure to combine with small sustainable changes in diet for best results
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  • [–] [S] 91 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    I've learned that cardio can work, but there's also a lot of truth to that "you can't outrun a bad diet" saying. Like you said, your body can subtly undermine your work by making you more hungry, and it can also cause you to be less active in between exercise without realizing it.

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  • [–] 64 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Last year I cut out 95% of all junk food and snacking, started eating more lean protein (like chicken), and made sure to cut out ultra processed foods where I could (i.e. home-cooked meals vs frozen dinners), and without increasing exercise I lost 20 lbs in 2 months. Sometimes it really is the diet that holds you back.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah, most of the people I've spoken with about their weight issues have terrible portion control. Like they'll just sit and eat an entire bag of chips while they watch TV for an hour. It's crazy to me. My parents just got put on a diet to try to get their weight under control because they're both pre-diabetic and the next day my mom went out to costco and loaded up on fruit for them to snack on instead of chips. Which I guess is better, but an entire shelf in their giant 2 door refrigerator is full of tubs of berries and shit, if they're planning to eat proper portions of those as snacks half that shit will rot before they get through it. Maybe my mom just has brain rot from all the fad diets she's been exposed to over the years but I don't think the idea of just not eating snacks or counting calories even went through their heads.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    It's crazy to me how people can not eat a whole bag of chips. Like I am supposed to put half of the bag back into the cupboard? If I open a bar of chocolate, I eat the whole thing, every time. And a lot of people I know are similar. This is the reason why I never but this stuff, as the best defense tactic is to have nothing in the house.

    I am overall a healthy person and do a lot of exercising by the way, but I can't control myself with chips. And I think that is not unnatural, as this stuff is made exactly the way that it makes you addicted af. Of course I feel like shit after I ate the whole bag, but I don't know how to control myself.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago

    My kids used to laugh at me for eating one half of the twix & putting it away for another day, and an emergency chocolate bar at work will last me weeks. It's not willpower - if I had to TRY not to eat it all, I wouldn't buy it either.

    I think about this when people say those GLP drugs are cheating, that people should just use willpower, I think all they are doing is giving people the same experience many of us have naturally - I love food but not overeating, that doesn't feel good at all, and enjoy moving my body, I like dancing and exercise.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Like I am supposed to put half of the bag back into the cupboard?

    Yeah. Even better, don't take the bag of chips out for the snack, only take out a bowl or so of them and don't just keep refilling the bowl, that's the hard part. Not having your snack bag readily available means you have to expend effort to go get more, and that's generally when I lean into my lazy habits. Because I have to go all the way downstairs and across the house to get more.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago*

    "Food is not reward, food is not entertainment" became my mantra.

    It's macadamia nuts for me. If I have a 3 lb. bag of macadamia nuts, I'm eating a 3 lb. bag of macadamia nuts. Fortunately, they're expensive, so I just don't get them anymore. It's much easier to not buy them, than to not eat them.

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  • [–] 37 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    My body isn't subtle in the slightest.

    Any amount of work?

    We're starving, we're starving! Says my body, like the cats who have a still almost full bowl of food.

    Stupid meat husk.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    This is because people diet wrong. You can absolutely gorge yourself on vegetables and still easily run a calorie deficit. People instead try to just eat tiny amounts of calorie dense foods, and that's what fails, because it leaves you hungry and tired.

    Also, taking massive doses of iron supplements (or dark greens) helps a lot.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    Personally Ive never been able to lose weight except by eating less. Lost 8 pounds backpacking in 5 days once though, was probably atleast a 2k calorie deficit per day.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Personally Ive never been able to lose weight except by eating less.

    That's absolutely the best way to lose weight.

    People shouldn't exercise to lose weight, they should exercise because it's good for your general physical, mental and emotional health. To lose weight, you eat less.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    What is this "going outside" you are talking about? Sounds very interesting

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Men, been there, you're not missing out.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    Exercise isn’t a great way to lose weight at all. The best way to lose weight is changing how much you consume. That being said, exercise and movement are very important for being healthy in general.

    source: https://youtu.be/vSSkDos2hzo

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    Yup, as a Fat Person(tm) I couldn't get into an exercise regiment and keep with it because it's very difficult to do much with a lot of weight. Then a doctor told me "Exercise is good, but you lose weight first in the kitchen." Eat out less, eat more vegetables and fruits, less carbs, fat doesn't make you fatter calories do, if the food is fat free that means it has more calories as they put a crap ton of sugar in it.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    basically all cardio machines at the gym are going to be boring as all hell, going outside and doing activities is a lot more fun

    I have health issues so I can no longer go biking outdoors, but I use the app KinoMap (like Peloton but without brand lock-in) to view POV video of bike trips and the app adjusts resistance over BT according to the road topology.

    I pick out a map/video and internet radio or a playlist from the country it is recorded. It makes exercise much easier and more fun for me and is way more engaging than staring at numbers on a display.

    They also have videos for running trails and rowing and additional social media stuff that I am not interested in.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    even going for a walk is probably as effective

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I tried to up the effectiveness of my walks with a weighted vest, but my god do those things make you look like a douchebag.

    Plus I’m a white guy with transition lenses who doesn’t like getting a sunburn on my neck, and appreciate the utility of cargo shorts.

    So I’m a white guy, in sunglasses, a backwards hat, and cargo short; that, to me, just screams ICE agent, which I do not want to be associated with.

    I need to zhuzh up my wardrobe with bright colors or something.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    The boring as hell part can be managed with a smartphone and some movies.

    Of course depending on the specific machine. Some are better for it than others.

    I prefer elliptical machine as it spreads the load out all across the body and it's the easiest to manage the load with it to aim for some specific heart rate zones. At the same time i have almost 2(1+1) undistributed hours to watch whatever movie or TV show i want. More peaceful than watching those at home.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    basically all cardio machines at the gym are going to be boring as all hell, going outside and doing activities is a lot more fun

    Or, alternatively, use the stationary nature of indoor machines to make it less boring. I typically read. Or maybe watch a show or movie.

    Outside is great too of course, but bad weather can be hard to overcome depending on where you live.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    Additionally:

    • if you're severely overweight, some cardio routines can be a serious health risk. If you're way too heavy, your joints won't be able to sustain long walks or jogging
    • slow and steady wins the race. Don't expect yourself to lose all the excess weight in a matter of months. That's almost impossibly difficult and even if successful likely no healthy. Instead develop healthy habits and let the results come in naturally over time
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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    if your aim is to use a lot of energy, dialing down the intensity significantly and working for a longer time is the way to go basically all cardio machines at the gym are going to be boring as all hell, going outside and doing activities is a lot more fun

    If you are having enough fun, even high-intensity can be maintained far longer than you'd think possible when doing something that's engaging. Still, spending 1 hour in zone 4-5 is probably gonna burn less calories than a 1.5 hour workout centered on zone 3.

    cardio as a means of losing weight has a downside in that vigorous exercise provokes a lot of hunger. make sure to combine with small sustainable changes in diet for best results

    But what if you just work out so intensely, that you're too tired to eat? Its funny to me that the body can have like a 4K calorie deficit for the day and still just be like "No food. That's a problem for tomorrow. Sleep now." Probably a case where ignoring your body is a good idea.

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