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They'll come demanding our votes any day now (lemmy.world)
submitted 4 months ago by [M] to c/latestagecapitalism@lemmy.world
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[–] 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Don't call them non voters. They made a choice and their vote is being counted by the analysts. They're neutral voters.

At the Democrat strategy meetings where they run the numbers and decide on the party platform, these people are considered part of the "apolitical" demographic. The Democrats are stupid and will move the party platform rightwards to try and appeal to them. Principles don't fix stupid.

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    To be fair, I live in a country where you can vote for a 3rd or 4th or 5th party and your vote still counts, because that's how democracy should work.

    In the US, I would probably be considered one of my 'non-voters'.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    In the US you would be considered a nuisance by the politicians of both established parties for feebly trying to disrupt their plan to usher in fascism under the guise of free choice. We're not going to be able to work the sides against each other, because that's like trying to call out from the audience of a play to try to influence how the story ends. Their actions are designed to influence us, not the other way around. The only way voting helps in the US is to buy time to coordinate the revolution while Democrats are still playing the role of the idiot.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    We’re not going to be able to work the sides against each other, because that’s like trying to call out from the audience of a play to try to influence how the story ends

    True, but you can influence the ending of a play by going backstage and putting on a costume. In America they call that a "primary" and it's how Zohran Mamdani became the mayor.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    True, but just because you put on a costume and go backstage that doesn't mean you'll get a lead role in the play, or even a role at all. I do vote in my primaries, and I'm very hopeful of Mamdani, especially with help from AOC and Bernie, but I can't help but feel like I'm being tricked into pacificity; I picture a scenario were a few outspoken antagonists are allowed a place on the stage only to give the like-minded audience hope, but are never given a plot-relevant role.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I think it's a big mistake to equate hope with inaction. Hope should spur you to act more. Don't listen to these doomers who want you to do nothing.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    When I say "hope" I mean "hope that things will resolve themselves without me having to do anything," which is what nearly every left-leaning person I know in real life is hoping. It certainly doesn't spur very many people to act more. They see Mamdani as "the world is healing," which just means "great, I don't need to change my behavior at all!"

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    You're in a weird bubble. I know a New Yorker who volunteered for Zohran's campaign and showed up to protest Luigi's incarceration when he went to court. They're a communist. They're fighting for a better world and hope is making them fight harder.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    That's certainly good to hear. I hope that people are indeed taking this seriously, even as my own sphere never stopped claiming that Trump's downfall was inevitable if we just keep our heads down and wait it out.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    "Maybe we can do a bit more genocide to find a middle ground between those who want to kill latinos and those who dont"

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  • [–] -4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Like I said, they're stupid.

    Like I said, principles don't fix stupid. If you don't vote, they'll just act stupider.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Voting for them certainly hasn't fixed them so far. Maybe they just can't be fixed?

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    That's no reason for you to vote centrist and make them even worse. Use your vote to stop things getting worse, use your hands for direct action to make things better. You can't make things better while they're getting worse.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago

    The lesser of the evil BS is the reason why there is so much non voters. If they decide to vote there is no guarentee that they will not vote for facists. When people vote for third party they still get shames

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    You can't make things better while they're getting worse.

    Yes you can; in fact that's usually what happens. That aside, no reason not to vote Democrat, but it's simply not a viable way of holding back fascism. Also, lesser evil politics can and does directly contradict with direct action (see: Gaza protests during Biden's term), so "let's just do both" is only remotely viable when the Democrats aren't in power. When they are, you end up having to choose between supporting them and denouncing their ghoulish actions. We've seen this movie before.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    you end up having to choose between supporting them and denouncing their ghoulish actions. We’ve seen this movie before.

    I can do both

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Except we already know that doesn't happen. Again, we've seen this movie before. As soon as you start making credible threats (see: Uncommitted)—or even if you don't, see: 2024 Gaza protests—you're treated as The Enemy trying to let the fascists win, and there's no way to effect change without making credible threats towards people in power.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (1 child)

    if you voted for them you voted for genociders. You're an utter piece of shit.

    The two party system will prevail as long as you keep voting for the same two parties. It aint rocket science

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  • [+] -11 points 4 months ago (3 children)
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  • [–] [S] 2 points 4 months ago

    Could the Democrats that are going further to the right? They're filling the void. Republicans left as they shift to the right. It's liberals that have blood on their hands. So in the meantime, fuck off.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    Ah yes if you don't vote for genociders you're a genocider. Water is dry and war is peace.

    I hope your mum gets liquified by iran

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Fuck the democrats. We still have to vote for whatever the other option is here. There are Christi-fascists in power right now. I would fucking love to get excited about a candidate that has an actual plan to materially improve the lives of the working class. But we are not in that position right now. We are fucked, so let’s get literally any non-fascist in to the Presidency. From there we have to find someone who will take us leftward.

    Abstaining is a selfish position.

    There is a path we have to follow to get where we need to be. Israel should be made to pay dearly for what they have done and continue to do. The entire government as well as anyone who has served in the IOF should be at The Hague.

    Grow the hell up.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    fuck the Democrats, but still vote for them because they are our only hope to continue the facism they've helped enable.

    This is what you sound like

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago

    So you have to stop the fucking bleeding. The tourniquet is painful, but unfortunately is needed for the moment. I’m all for tearing the system down, but we have zero chance of that happening right now.

    What’s your solution? An actual viable plan? Or do you decide not to participate?

    Let’s come back to reality, where solutions are messy, and take time.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Yes at least the "non fascist" will only bomb foreigners and who cares about them am i right

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    The fuck are you on? There is no possible way to elect/install a leader that will end all of the military campaigns throughout the world. So rather than abstaining, which is stupid, we have to work with what we’ve got right now.

    What’s your next edgy retort?

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    If they know you will vote for them , there is zero reason why they would listen to you. Not a rocket science

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Primary. NEXT!

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    He doesn't need to end ALL military campaigns throughout the world.

    Just america's

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