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[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net -4 points 4 months ago (2 children) Like I said, they're stupid. Like I said, principles don't fix stupid. If you don't vote, they'll just act stupider. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 10 points 4 months ago (1 child) Voting for them certainly hasn't fixed them so far. Maybe they just can't be fixed? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net -1 points 4 months ago (3 children) That's no reason for you to vote centrist and make them even worse. Use your vote to stop things getting worse, use your hands for direct action to make things better. You can't make things better while they're getting worse. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago The lesser of the evil BS is the reason why there is so much non voters. If they decide to vote there is no guarentee that they will not vote for facists. When people vote for third party they still get shames permalink fedilink source parent [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 4 points 4 months ago (1 child) You can't make things better while they're getting worse. Yes you can; in fact that's usually what happens. That aside, no reason not to vote Democrat, but it's simply not a viable way of holding back fascism. Also, lesser evil politics can and does directly contradict with direct action (see: Gaza protests during Biden's term), so "let's just do both" is only remotely viable when the Democrats aren't in power. When they are, you end up having to choose between supporting them and denouncing their ghoulish actions. We've seen this movie before. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 0 points 4 months ago (1 child) you end up having to choose between supporting them and denouncing their ghoulish actions. We’ve seen this movie before. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 5 points 4 months ago (1 child) Except we already know that doesn't happen. Again, we've seen this movie before. As soon as you start making credible threats (see: Uncommitted)—or even if you don't, see: 2024 Gaza protests—you're treated as The Enemy trying to let the fascists win, and there's no way to effect change without making credible threats towards people in power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) Those people didn't do both. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 4 months ago And how would "doing both" have looked? permalink fedilink source parent [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 months ago No imperialism, conservatism, reactionism or Zionism, lessor evil rhetoric. Dismissing 3rd party votes or ‘wasted votes on 3rd party’ is lessor evil rhetoric. permalink fedilink source parent [–] toad@sh.itjust.works 1 point 4 months ago* (1 child) if you voted for them you voted for genociders. You're an utter piece of shit. The two party system will prevail as long as you keep voting for the same two parties. It aint rocket science permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net -11 points 4 months ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago The opposite permalink fedilink source parent [–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 4 months ago Could the Democrats that are going further to the right? They're filling the void. Republicans left as they shift to the right. It's liberals that have blood on their hands. So in the meantime, fuck off. permalink fedilink source parent [–] toad@sh.itjust.works -1 points 4 months ago* (1 child) Ah yes if you don't vote for genociders you're a genocider. Water is dry and war is peace. I hope your mum gets liquified by iran permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) Fuck the democrats. We still have to vote for whatever the other option is here. There are Christi-fascists in power right now. I would fucking love to get excited about a candidate that has an actual plan to materially improve the lives of the working class. But we are not in that position right now. We are fucked, so let’s get literally any non-fascist in to the Presidency. From there we have to find someone who will take us leftward. Abstaining is a selfish position. There is a path we have to follow to get where we need to be. Israel should be made to pay dearly for what they have done and continue to do. The entire government as well as anyone who has served in the IOF should be at The Hague. Grow the hell up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago (1 child) fuck the Democrats, but still vote for them because they are our only hope to continue the facism they've helped enable. This is what you sound like permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 4 months ago So you have to stop the fucking bleeding. The tourniquet is painful, but unfortunately is needed for the moment. I’m all for tearing the system down, but we have zero chance of that happening right now. What’s your solution? An actual viable plan? Or do you decide not to participate? Let’s come back to reality, where solutions are messy, and take time. permalink fedilink source parent [–] toad@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) Yes at least the "non fascist" will only bomb foreigners and who cares about them am i right permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 4 months ago (3 children) The fuck are you on? There is no possible way to elect/install a leader that will end all of the military campaigns throughout the world. So rather than abstaining, which is stupid, we have to work with what we’ve got right now. What’s your next edgy retort? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (1 child) If they know you will vote for them , there is zero reason why they would listen to you. Not a rocket science permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net -2 points 4 months ago (3 children) Primary. NEXT! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] ultimate_worrier@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago Primaries are designed to manipulate your consent for their preferred candidate. Primaries have zero impact if you refuse to hold them accountable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago The bullshit of the lesser of two evil apply on primaries. Most people still vote for the two parties so there is zero reason why they would listen to you. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (1 child) What youve got is a system that needs to be destroyed permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 4 months ago Oh no doubt! My personal views on what I believe should happen are…not popular anywhere but in here and other similar places permalink fedilink source parent [–] toad@sh.itjust.works 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) He doesn't need to end ALL military campaigns throughout the world. Just america's permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) I should have been more explicit. Ending all of the US military campaigns throughout the world. Next? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] toad@sh.itjust.works 1 point 4 months ago yea americans bombing brown people is UNAVOIDABLE! There is no alternative. Kinda like the genocide in gaza, it's nobody's fault, just a fact of life. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 2 points 4 months ago Yeah! If you're being fucked by the political class, you take the penis out first, and then you sock em in the jaw. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 10 points 4 months ago (1 child) Voting for them certainly hasn't fixed them so far. Maybe they just can't be fixed? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net -1 points 4 months ago (3 children) That's no reason for you to vote centrist and make them even worse. Use your vote to stop things getting worse, use your hands for direct action to make things better. You can't make things better while they're getting worse. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago The lesser of the evil BS is the reason why there is so much non voters. If they decide to vote there is no guarentee that they will not vote for facists. When people vote for third party they still get shames permalink fedilink source parent [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 4 points 4 months ago (1 child) You can't make things better while they're getting worse. Yes you can; in fact that's usually what happens. That aside, no reason not to vote Democrat, but it's simply not a viable way of holding back fascism. Also, lesser evil politics can and does directly contradict with direct action (see: Gaza protests during Biden's term), so "let's just do both" is only remotely viable when the Democrats aren't in power. When they are, you end up having to choose between supporting them and denouncing their ghoulish actions. We've seen this movie before. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 0 points 4 months ago (1 child) you end up having to choose between supporting them and denouncing their ghoulish actions. We’ve seen this movie before. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 5 points 4 months ago (1 child) Except we already know that doesn't happen. Again, we've seen this movie before. As soon as you start making credible threats (see: Uncommitted)—or even if you don't, see: 2024 Gaza protests—you're treated as The Enemy trying to let the fascists win, and there's no way to effect change without making credible threats towards people in power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) Those people didn't do both. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 4 months ago And how would "doing both" have looked? permalink fedilink source parent [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 months ago No imperialism, conservatism, reactionism or Zionism, lessor evil rhetoric. Dismissing 3rd party votes or ‘wasted votes on 3rd party’ is lessor evil rhetoric. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net -1 points 4 months ago (3 children) That's no reason for you to vote centrist and make them even worse. Use your vote to stop things getting worse, use your hands for direct action to make things better. You can't make things better while they're getting worse. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago The lesser of the evil BS is the reason why there is so much non voters. If they decide to vote there is no guarentee that they will not vote for facists. When people vote for third party they still get shames permalink fedilink source parent [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 4 points 4 months ago (1 child) You can't make things better while they're getting worse. Yes you can; in fact that's usually what happens. That aside, no reason not to vote Democrat, but it's simply not a viable way of holding back fascism. Also, lesser evil politics can and does directly contradict with direct action (see: Gaza protests during Biden's term), so "let's just do both" is only remotely viable when the Democrats aren't in power. When they are, you end up having to choose between supporting them and denouncing their ghoulish actions. We've seen this movie before. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 0 points 4 months ago (1 child) you end up having to choose between supporting them and denouncing their ghoulish actions. We’ve seen this movie before. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 5 points 4 months ago (1 child) Except we already know that doesn't happen. Again, we've seen this movie before. As soon as you start making credible threats (see: Uncommitted)—or even if you don't, see: 2024 Gaza protests—you're treated as The Enemy trying to let the fascists win, and there's no way to effect change without making credible threats towards people in power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) Those people didn't do both. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 4 months ago And how would "doing both" have looked? permalink fedilink source parent [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 months ago No imperialism, conservatism, reactionism or Zionism, lessor evil rhetoric. Dismissing 3rd party votes or ‘wasted votes on 3rd party’ is lessor evil rhetoric. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago The lesser of the evil BS is the reason why there is so much non voters. If they decide to vote there is no guarentee that they will not vote for facists. When people vote for third party they still get shames permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 4 points 4 months ago (1 child) You can't make things better while they're getting worse. Yes you can; in fact that's usually what happens. That aside, no reason not to vote Democrat, but it's simply not a viable way of holding back fascism. Also, lesser evil politics can and does directly contradict with direct action (see: Gaza protests during Biden's term), so "let's just do both" is only remotely viable when the Democrats aren't in power. When they are, you end up having to choose between supporting them and denouncing their ghoulish actions. We've seen this movie before. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 0 points 4 months ago (1 child) you end up having to choose between supporting them and denouncing their ghoulish actions. We’ve seen this movie before. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 5 points 4 months ago (1 child) Except we already know that doesn't happen. Again, we've seen this movie before. As soon as you start making credible threats (see: Uncommitted)—or even if you don't, see: 2024 Gaza protests—you're treated as The Enemy trying to let the fascists win, and there's no way to effect change without making credible threats towards people in power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) Those people didn't do both. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 4 months ago And how would "doing both" have looked? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 0 points 4 months ago (1 child) you end up having to choose between supporting them and denouncing their ghoulish actions. We’ve seen this movie before. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 5 points 4 months ago (1 child) Except we already know that doesn't happen. Again, we've seen this movie before. As soon as you start making credible threats (see: Uncommitted)—or even if you don't, see: 2024 Gaza protests—you're treated as The Enemy trying to let the fascists win, and there's no way to effect change without making credible threats towards people in power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) Those people didn't do both. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 4 months ago And how would "doing both" have looked? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 5 points 4 months ago (1 child) Except we already know that doesn't happen. Again, we've seen this movie before. As soon as you start making credible threats (see: Uncommitted)—or even if you don't, see: 2024 Gaza protests—you're treated as The Enemy trying to let the fascists win, and there's no way to effect change without making credible threats towards people in power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) Those people didn't do both. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 4 months ago And how would "doing both" have looked? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) Those people didn't do both. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 4 months ago And how would "doing both" have looked? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 4 months ago And how would "doing both" have looked? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 months ago No imperialism, conservatism, reactionism or Zionism, lessor evil rhetoric. Dismissing 3rd party votes or ‘wasted votes on 3rd party’ is lessor evil rhetoric. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] toad@sh.itjust.works 1 point 4 months ago* (1 child) if you voted for them you voted for genociders. You're an utter piece of shit. The two party system will prevail as long as you keep voting for the same two parties. It aint rocket science permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net -11 points 4 months ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago The opposite permalink fedilink source parent [–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 4 months ago Could the Democrats that are going further to the right? They're filling the void. Republicans left as they shift to the right. It's liberals that have blood on their hands. So in the meantime, fuck off. permalink fedilink source parent [–] toad@sh.itjust.works -1 points 4 months ago* (1 child) Ah yes if you don't vote for genociders you're a genocider. Water is dry and war is peace. I hope your mum gets liquified by iran permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) Fuck the democrats. We still have to vote for whatever the other option is here. There are Christi-fascists in power right now. I would fucking love to get excited about a candidate that has an actual plan to materially improve the lives of the working class. But we are not in that position right now. We are fucked, so let’s get literally any non-fascist in to the Presidency. From there we have to find someone who will take us leftward. Abstaining is a selfish position. There is a path we have to follow to get where we need to be. Israel should be made to pay dearly for what they have done and continue to do. The entire government as well as anyone who has served in the IOF should be at The Hague. Grow the hell up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago (1 child) fuck the Democrats, but still vote for them because they are our only hope to continue the facism they've helped enable. This is what you sound like permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 4 months ago So you have to stop the fucking bleeding. The tourniquet is painful, but unfortunately is needed for the moment. I’m all for tearing the system down, but we have zero chance of that happening right now. What’s your solution? An actual viable plan? Or do you decide not to participate? Let’s come back to reality, where solutions are messy, and take time. permalink fedilink source parent [–] toad@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) Yes at least the "non fascist" will only bomb foreigners and who cares about them am i right permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 4 months ago (3 children) The fuck are you on? There is no possible way to elect/install a leader that will end all of the military campaigns throughout the world. So rather than abstaining, which is stupid, we have to work with what we’ve got right now. What’s your next edgy retort? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (1 child) If they know you will vote for them , there is zero reason why they would listen to you. Not a rocket science permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net -2 points 4 months ago (3 children) Primary. NEXT! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] ultimate_worrier@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago Primaries are designed to manipulate your consent for their preferred candidate. Primaries have zero impact if you refuse to hold them accountable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago The bullshit of the lesser of two evil apply on primaries. Most people still vote for the two parties so there is zero reason why they would listen to you. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (1 child) What youve got is a system that needs to be destroyed permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 4 months ago Oh no doubt! My personal views on what I believe should happen are…not popular anywhere but in here and other similar places permalink fedilink source parent [–] toad@sh.itjust.works 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) He doesn't need to end ALL military campaigns throughout the world. Just america's permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) I should have been more explicit. Ending all of the US military campaigns throughout the world. Next? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] toad@sh.itjust.works 1 point 4 months ago yea americans bombing brown people is UNAVOIDABLE! There is no alternative. Kinda like the genocide in gaza, it's nobody's fault, just a fact of life. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 2 points 4 months ago Yeah! If you're being fucked by the political class, you take the penis out first, and then you sock em in the jaw. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net -11 points 4 months ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago The opposite permalink fedilink source parent [–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 4 months ago Could the Democrats that are going further to the right? They're filling the void. Republicans left as they shift to the right. It's liberals that have blood on their hands. So in the meantime, fuck off. permalink fedilink source parent [–] toad@sh.itjust.works -1 points 4 months ago* (1 child) Ah yes if you don't vote for genociders you're a genocider. Water is dry and war is peace. I hope your mum gets liquified by iran permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) Fuck the democrats. We still have to vote for whatever the other option is here. There are Christi-fascists in power right now. I would fucking love to get excited about a candidate that has an actual plan to materially improve the lives of the working class. But we are not in that position right now. We are fucked, so let’s get literally any non-fascist in to the Presidency. From there we have to find someone who will take us leftward. Abstaining is a selfish position. There is a path we have to follow to get where we need to be. Israel should be made to pay dearly for what they have done and continue to do. The entire government as well as anyone who has served in the IOF should be at The Hague. Grow the hell up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago (1 child) fuck the Democrats, but still vote for them because they are our only hope to continue the facism they've helped enable. This is what you sound like permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 4 months ago So you have to stop the fucking bleeding. The tourniquet is painful, but unfortunately is needed for the moment. I’m all for tearing the system down, but we have zero chance of that happening right now. What’s your solution? An actual viable plan? Or do you decide not to participate? Let’s come back to reality, where solutions are messy, and take time. permalink fedilink source parent [–] toad@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) Yes at least the "non fascist" will only bomb foreigners and who cares about them am i right permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 4 months ago (3 children) The fuck are you on? There is no possible way to elect/install a leader that will end all of the military campaigns throughout the world. So rather than abstaining, which is stupid, we have to work with what we’ve got right now. What’s your next edgy retort? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (1 child) If they know you will vote for them , there is zero reason why they would listen to you. Not a rocket science permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net -2 points 4 months ago (3 children) Primary. NEXT! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] ultimate_worrier@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago Primaries are designed to manipulate your consent for their preferred candidate. Primaries have zero impact if you refuse to hold them accountable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago The bullshit of the lesser of two evil apply on primaries. Most people still vote for the two parties so there is zero reason why they would listen to you. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (1 child) What youve got is a system that needs to be destroyed permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 4 months ago Oh no doubt! My personal views on what I believe should happen are…not popular anywhere but in here and other similar places permalink fedilink source parent [–] toad@sh.itjust.works 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) He doesn't need to end ALL military campaigns throughout the world. Just america's permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) I should have been more explicit. Ending all of the US military campaigns throughout the world. Next? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] toad@sh.itjust.works 1 point 4 months ago yea americans bombing brown people is UNAVOIDABLE! There is no alternative. Kinda like the genocide in gaza, it's nobody's fault, just a fact of life. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 2 points 4 months ago Yeah! If you're being fucked by the political class, you take the penis out first, and then you sock em in the jaw. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 4 months ago Could the Democrats that are going further to the right? They're filling the void. Republicans left as they shift to the right. It's liberals that have blood on their hands. So in the meantime, fuck off. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] toad@sh.itjust.works -1 points 4 months ago* (1 child) Ah yes if you don't vote for genociders you're a genocider. Water is dry and war is peace. I hope your mum gets liquified by iran permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) Fuck the democrats. We still have to vote for whatever the other option is here. There are Christi-fascists in power right now. I would fucking love to get excited about a candidate that has an actual plan to materially improve the lives of the working class. But we are not in that position right now. We are fucked, so let’s get literally any non-fascist in to the Presidency. From there we have to find someone who will take us leftward. Abstaining is a selfish position. There is a path we have to follow to get where we need to be. Israel should be made to pay dearly for what they have done and continue to do. The entire government as well as anyone who has served in the IOF should be at The Hague. Grow the hell up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago (1 child) fuck the Democrats, but still vote for them because they are our only hope to continue the facism they've helped enable. This is what you sound like permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 4 months ago So you have to stop the fucking bleeding. The tourniquet is painful, but unfortunately is needed for the moment. I’m all for tearing the system down, but we have zero chance of that happening right now. What’s your solution? An actual viable plan? Or do you decide not to participate? Let’s come back to reality, where solutions are messy, and take time. permalink fedilink source parent [–] toad@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) Yes at least the "non fascist" will only bomb foreigners and who cares about them am i right permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 4 months ago (3 children) The fuck are you on? There is no possible way to elect/install a leader that will end all of the military campaigns throughout the world. So rather than abstaining, which is stupid, we have to work with what we’ve got right now. What’s your next edgy retort? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (1 child) If they know you will vote for them , there is zero reason why they would listen to you. Not a rocket science permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net -2 points 4 months ago (3 children) Primary. NEXT! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] ultimate_worrier@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago Primaries are designed to manipulate your consent for their preferred candidate. Primaries have zero impact if you refuse to hold them accountable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago The bullshit of the lesser of two evil apply on primaries. Most people still vote for the two parties so there is zero reason why they would listen to you. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (1 child) What youve got is a system that needs to be destroyed permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 4 months ago Oh no doubt! My personal views on what I believe should happen are…not popular anywhere but in here and other similar places permalink fedilink source parent [–] toad@sh.itjust.works 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) He doesn't need to end ALL military campaigns throughout the world. Just america's permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) I should have been more explicit. Ending all of the US military campaigns throughout the world. Next? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] toad@sh.itjust.works 1 point 4 months ago yea americans bombing brown people is UNAVOIDABLE! There is no alternative. Kinda like the genocide in gaza, it's nobody's fault, just a fact of life. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 2 points 4 months ago Yeah! If you're being fucked by the political class, you take the penis out first, and then you sock em in the jaw. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) Fuck the democrats. We still have to vote for whatever the other option is here. There are Christi-fascists in power right now. I would fucking love to get excited about a candidate that has an actual plan to materially improve the lives of the working class. But we are not in that position right now. We are fucked, so let’s get literally any non-fascist in to the Presidency. From there we have to find someone who will take us leftward. Abstaining is a selfish position. There is a path we have to follow to get where we need to be. Israel should be made to pay dearly for what they have done and continue to do. The entire government as well as anyone who has served in the IOF should be at The Hague. Grow the hell up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago (1 child) fuck the Democrats, but still vote for them because they are our only hope to continue the facism they've helped enable. This is what you sound like permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 4 months ago So you have to stop the fucking bleeding. The tourniquet is painful, but unfortunately is needed for the moment. I’m all for tearing the system down, but we have zero chance of that happening right now. What’s your solution? An actual viable plan? Or do you decide not to participate? Let’s come back to reality, where solutions are messy, and take time. permalink fedilink source parent [–] toad@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) Yes at least the "non fascist" will only bomb foreigners and who cares about them am i right permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 4 months ago (3 children) The fuck are you on? There is no possible way to elect/install a leader that will end all of the military campaigns throughout the world. So rather than abstaining, which is stupid, we have to work with what we’ve got right now. What’s your next edgy retort? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (1 child) If they know you will vote for them , there is zero reason why they would listen to you. Not a rocket science permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net -2 points 4 months ago (3 children) Primary. NEXT! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] ultimate_worrier@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago Primaries are designed to manipulate your consent for their preferred candidate. Primaries have zero impact if you refuse to hold them accountable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago The bullshit of the lesser of two evil apply on primaries. Most people still vote for the two parties so there is zero reason why they would listen to you. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (1 child) What youve got is a system that needs to be destroyed permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 4 months ago Oh no doubt! My personal views on what I believe should happen are…not popular anywhere but in here and other similar places permalink fedilink source parent [–] toad@sh.itjust.works 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) He doesn't need to end ALL military campaigns throughout the world. Just america's permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) I should have been more explicit. Ending all of the US military campaigns throughout the world. Next? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] toad@sh.itjust.works 1 point 4 months ago yea americans bombing brown people is UNAVOIDABLE! There is no alternative. Kinda like the genocide in gaza, it's nobody's fault, just a fact of life. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 2 points 4 months ago Yeah! If you're being fucked by the political class, you take the penis out first, and then you sock em in the jaw. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago (1 child) fuck the Democrats, but still vote for them because they are our only hope to continue the facism they've helped enable. This is what you sound like permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 4 months ago So you have to stop the fucking bleeding. The tourniquet is painful, but unfortunately is needed for the moment. I’m all for tearing the system down, but we have zero chance of that happening right now. What’s your solution? An actual viable plan? Or do you decide not to participate? Let’s come back to reality, where solutions are messy, and take time. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 4 months ago So you have to stop the fucking bleeding. The tourniquet is painful, but unfortunately is needed for the moment. I’m all for tearing the system down, but we have zero chance of that happening right now. What’s your solution? An actual viable plan? Or do you decide not to participate? Let’s come back to reality, where solutions are messy, and take time. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] toad@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) Yes at least the "non fascist" will only bomb foreigners and who cares about them am i right permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 4 months ago (3 children) The fuck are you on? There is no possible way to elect/install a leader that will end all of the military campaigns throughout the world. So rather than abstaining, which is stupid, we have to work with what we’ve got right now. What’s your next edgy retort? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (1 child) If they know you will vote for them , there is zero reason why they would listen to you. Not a rocket science permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net -2 points 4 months ago (3 children) Primary. NEXT! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] ultimate_worrier@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago Primaries are designed to manipulate your consent for their preferred candidate. Primaries have zero impact if you refuse to hold them accountable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago The bullshit of the lesser of two evil apply on primaries. Most people still vote for the two parties so there is zero reason why they would listen to you. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (1 child) What youve got is a system that needs to be destroyed permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 4 months ago Oh no doubt! My personal views on what I believe should happen are…not popular anywhere but in here and other similar places permalink fedilink source parent [–] toad@sh.itjust.works 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) He doesn't need to end ALL military campaigns throughout the world. Just america's permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) I should have been more explicit. Ending all of the US military campaigns throughout the world. Next? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] toad@sh.itjust.works 1 point 4 months ago yea americans bombing brown people is UNAVOIDABLE! There is no alternative. Kinda like the genocide in gaza, it's nobody's fault, just a fact of life. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 4 months ago (3 children) The fuck are you on? There is no possible way to elect/install a leader that will end all of the military campaigns throughout the world. So rather than abstaining, which is stupid, we have to work with what we’ve got right now. What’s your next edgy retort? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (1 child) If they know you will vote for them , there is zero reason why they would listen to you. Not a rocket science permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net -2 points 4 months ago (3 children) Primary. NEXT! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] ultimate_worrier@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago Primaries are designed to manipulate your consent for their preferred candidate. Primaries have zero impact if you refuse to hold them accountable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago The bullshit of the lesser of two evil apply on primaries. Most people still vote for the two parties so there is zero reason why they would listen to you. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (1 child) What youve got is a system that needs to be destroyed permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 4 months ago Oh no doubt! My personal views on what I believe should happen are…not popular anywhere but in here and other similar places permalink fedilink source parent [–] toad@sh.itjust.works 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) He doesn't need to end ALL military campaigns throughout the world. Just america's permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) I should have been more explicit. Ending all of the US military campaigns throughout the world. Next? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] toad@sh.itjust.works 1 point 4 months ago yea americans bombing brown people is UNAVOIDABLE! There is no alternative. Kinda like the genocide in gaza, it's nobody's fault, just a fact of life. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (1 child) If they know you will vote for them , there is zero reason why they would listen to you. Not a rocket science permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net -2 points 4 months ago (3 children) Primary. NEXT! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] ultimate_worrier@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago Primaries are designed to manipulate your consent for their preferred candidate. Primaries have zero impact if you refuse to hold them accountable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago The bullshit of the lesser of two evil apply on primaries. Most people still vote for the two parties so there is zero reason why they would listen to you. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net -2 points 4 months ago (3 children) Primary. NEXT! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] ultimate_worrier@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago Primaries are designed to manipulate your consent for their preferred candidate. Primaries have zero impact if you refuse to hold them accountable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago The bullshit of the lesser of two evil apply on primaries. Most people still vote for the two parties so there is zero reason why they would listen to you. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ultimate_worrier@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago Primaries are designed to manipulate your consent for their preferred candidate. Primaries have zero impact if you refuse to hold them accountable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago The bullshit of the lesser of two evil apply on primaries. Most people still vote for the two parties so there is zero reason why they would listen to you. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (1 child) What youve got is a system that needs to be destroyed permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 4 months ago Oh no doubt! My personal views on what I believe should happen are…not popular anywhere but in here and other similar places permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 4 months ago Oh no doubt! My personal views on what I believe should happen are…not popular anywhere but in here and other similar places permalink fedilink source parent
[–] toad@sh.itjust.works 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) He doesn't need to end ALL military campaigns throughout the world. Just america's permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) I should have been more explicit. Ending all of the US military campaigns throughout the world. Next? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] toad@sh.itjust.works 1 point 4 months ago yea americans bombing brown people is UNAVOIDABLE! There is no alternative. Kinda like the genocide in gaza, it's nobody's fault, just a fact of life. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) I should have been more explicit. Ending all of the US military campaigns throughout the world. Next? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] toad@sh.itjust.works 1 point 4 months ago yea americans bombing brown people is UNAVOIDABLE! There is no alternative. Kinda like the genocide in gaza, it's nobody's fault, just a fact of life. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] toad@sh.itjust.works 1 point 4 months ago yea americans bombing brown people is UNAVOIDABLE! There is no alternative. Kinda like the genocide in gaza, it's nobody's fault, just a fact of life. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 2 points 4 months ago Yeah! If you're being fucked by the political class, you take the penis out first, and then you sock em in the jaw. permalink fedilink source parent
