▲ 750 ▼ They'll come demanding our votes any day now (lemmy.world) submitted 4 months ago by K1nsey6@lemmy.world [M] to c/latestagecapitalism@lemmy.world 420 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 10 points 4 months ago (1 child) Voting for them certainly hasn't fixed them so far. Maybe they just can't be fixed? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net -1 points 4 months ago (3 children) That's no reason for you to vote centrist and make them even worse. Use your vote to stop things getting worse, use your hands for direct action to make things better. You can't make things better while they're getting worse. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago The lesser of the evil BS is the reason why there is so much non voters. If they decide to vote there is no guarentee that they will not vote for facists. When people vote for third party they still get shames permalink fedilink source parent [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 4 points 4 months ago (1 child) You can't make things better while they're getting worse. Yes you can; in fact that's usually what happens. That aside, no reason not to vote Democrat, but it's simply not a viable way of holding back fascism. Also, lesser evil politics can and does directly contradict with direct action (see: Gaza protests during Biden's term), so "let's just do both" is only remotely viable when the Democrats aren't in power. When they are, you end up having to choose between supporting them and denouncing their ghoulish actions. We've seen this movie before. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 0 points 4 months ago (1 child) you end up having to choose between supporting them and denouncing their ghoulish actions. We’ve seen this movie before. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 5 points 4 months ago (1 child) Except we already know that doesn't happen. Again, we've seen this movie before. As soon as you start making credible threats (see: Uncommitted)—or even if you don't, see: 2024 Gaza protests—you're treated as The Enemy trying to let the fascists win, and there's no way to effect change without making credible threats towards people in power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) Those people didn't do both. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 4 months ago And how would "doing both" have looked? permalink fedilink source parent [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 months ago No imperialism, conservatism, reactionism or Zionism, lessor evil rhetoric. Dismissing 3rd party votes or ‘wasted votes on 3rd party’ is lessor evil rhetoric. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net -1 points 4 months ago (3 children) That's no reason for you to vote centrist and make them even worse. Use your vote to stop things getting worse, use your hands for direct action to make things better. You can't make things better while they're getting worse. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago The lesser of the evil BS is the reason why there is so much non voters. If they decide to vote there is no guarentee that they will not vote for facists. When people vote for third party they still get shames permalink fedilink source parent [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 4 points 4 months ago (1 child) You can't make things better while they're getting worse. Yes you can; in fact that's usually what happens. That aside, no reason not to vote Democrat, but it's simply not a viable way of holding back fascism. Also, lesser evil politics can and does directly contradict with direct action (see: Gaza protests during Biden's term), so "let's just do both" is only remotely viable when the Democrats aren't in power. When they are, you end up having to choose between supporting them and denouncing their ghoulish actions. We've seen this movie before. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 0 points 4 months ago (1 child) you end up having to choose between supporting them and denouncing their ghoulish actions. We’ve seen this movie before. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 5 points 4 months ago (1 child) Except we already know that doesn't happen. Again, we've seen this movie before. As soon as you start making credible threats (see: Uncommitted)—or even if you don't, see: 2024 Gaza protests—you're treated as The Enemy trying to let the fascists win, and there's no way to effect change without making credible threats towards people in power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) Those people didn't do both. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 4 months ago And how would "doing both" have looked? permalink fedilink source parent [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 months ago No imperialism, conservatism, reactionism or Zionism, lessor evil rhetoric. Dismissing 3rd party votes or ‘wasted votes on 3rd party’ is lessor evil rhetoric. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago The lesser of the evil BS is the reason why there is so much non voters. If they decide to vote there is no guarentee that they will not vote for facists. When people vote for third party they still get shames permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 4 points 4 months ago (1 child) You can't make things better while they're getting worse. Yes you can; in fact that's usually what happens. That aside, no reason not to vote Democrat, but it's simply not a viable way of holding back fascism. Also, lesser evil politics can and does directly contradict with direct action (see: Gaza protests during Biden's term), so "let's just do both" is only remotely viable when the Democrats aren't in power. When they are, you end up having to choose between supporting them and denouncing their ghoulish actions. We've seen this movie before. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 0 points 4 months ago (1 child) you end up having to choose between supporting them and denouncing their ghoulish actions. We’ve seen this movie before. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 5 points 4 months ago (1 child) Except we already know that doesn't happen. Again, we've seen this movie before. As soon as you start making credible threats (see: Uncommitted)—or even if you don't, see: 2024 Gaza protests—you're treated as The Enemy trying to let the fascists win, and there's no way to effect change without making credible threats towards people in power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) Those people didn't do both. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 4 months ago And how would "doing both" have looked? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 0 points 4 months ago (1 child) you end up having to choose between supporting them and denouncing their ghoulish actions. We’ve seen this movie before. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 5 points 4 months ago (1 child) Except we already know that doesn't happen. Again, we've seen this movie before. As soon as you start making credible threats (see: Uncommitted)—or even if you don't, see: 2024 Gaza protests—you're treated as The Enemy trying to let the fascists win, and there's no way to effect change without making credible threats towards people in power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) Those people didn't do both. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 4 months ago And how would "doing both" have looked? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 5 points 4 months ago (1 child) Except we already know that doesn't happen. Again, we've seen this movie before. As soon as you start making credible threats (see: Uncommitted)—or even if you don't, see: 2024 Gaza protests—you're treated as The Enemy trying to let the fascists win, and there's no way to effect change without making credible threats towards people in power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) Those people didn't do both. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 4 months ago And how would "doing both" have looked? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) Those people didn't do both. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 4 months ago And how would "doing both" have looked? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 4 months ago And how would "doing both" have looked? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 months ago No imperialism, conservatism, reactionism or Zionism, lessor evil rhetoric. Dismissing 3rd party votes or ‘wasted votes on 3rd party’ is lessor evil rhetoric. permalink fedilink source parent
