▲ 770 ▼ Iran pulls a gangster move.. (lemmy.world) submitted 5 months ago* by Substance_P@lemmy.world to c/politicalmemes@lemmy.world 101 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 25 points 5 months ago (9 children) Does Iran actually have the capability to close the Strait though? I thought every naval asset they have has been flattened. permalink fedilink source hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 67 points 5 months ago* (2 children) It’s already closed. The threat and the resulting insurance pull is all that’s needed. https://shanakaanslemperera.substack.com/p/actuarial-warfare-how-seven-insurance permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ellen.kimble@piefed.social 24 points 5 months ago (1 child) Greece got through https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/greek-operated-tanker-with-saudi-oil-cargo-sails-through-hormuz-ship-tracking-2026-03-09/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wewbull@feddit.uk 4 points 5 months ago (1 child) Greek sailors are nutters permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tryagain@sopuli.xyz 7 points 5 months ago The Greeks and the Persians go way back. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 19 points 5 months ago https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/greek-operated-tanker-with-saudi-oil-cargo-sails-through-hormuz-ship-tracking-2026-03-09/ Someone called their bluff. permalink fedilink source parent [–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 55 points 5 months ago (1 child) Iran can close the straight with like 2 dudes with RPGs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Patrikvo@lemmy.zip 23 points 5 months ago (5 children) I'm picturing two Iranian guys, sitting in beach chairs next to the straight, sipping coctails, next to a crate marked "RPG". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] dcatt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 5 months ago (1 child) JustCause 3 loading screen vibes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Patrikvo@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 months ago Exactly the mental picture I had too. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ClanOfTheOcho@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago Plot twist, the crate is full of Monster Manuals and Dungeon Keepers Guides, and the guys were just hoping to have a fun afternoon. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago I had the same thought only with a truck full of drones behind them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 5 months ago Playing RPGs on their Steam Decks permalink fedilink source parent [–] dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago* They'd be houthis from yemen (inshallah), not Iranians, but close enough permalink fedilink source parent [–] wheezy@lemmy.ml 36 points 5 months ago* (1 child) Trade ships will redirect at even the threat of being met with any confrontation. It is not worth the risk. Iran doesn't need a Navy to do this either. They need a couple dudes with AKs in a speedboat. For more info. Just look at Yemen's blockade as an example. Ships aren't gonna risk massive payloads. Insurance won't cover the loss either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago* (1 child) Don't even need to get near the ocean, they can just sit inland and launch drones and rockets at passing ships like the Houthis did. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wheezy@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 months ago (1 child) Yep. Which is why I'm really confused by the reports of them "mining" it today. I'm really wondering if it's just a fake "win" the US is trying to manufacture. Maybe they are trying to do it. But it doesn't make sense at all with their messages of allowing passage to states that boot US and Israeli ambassadors. Even if the mines can be deactivated it still doesn't make sense strategically for Iran to do that. Was watching the reporting live with CBS saying that Iran was placing mines. Then Trump gets on and says we stopped them from doing it. Just doesn't add up at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child) Yeah. Every major news outlet is complicit. Charlie's Broadcast Station is full Nazi now. I have have cut off all mainstream media for my sanity because it certainly isn't making more informed. As for the mine claims, I think it's that Iran knows how our chickenshit post-industrialized vibe economy works. Just claiming they've mined the strait is causing the market to shit it's pants regardless of it it's true or not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wheezy@lemmy.ml 1 point 5 months ago Interesting take on the mines I haven't thought about. Would make sense. I agree. I do still try to follow how the mainstream media is trying to build its narrative. Though I would definitely be mentally healthy without it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 20 points 5 months ago* Considering it has signficantly affected oil prices. Yes. A large amount of ships are currently stuck in the persian gulf. A significant portion of this is because they do not want to take the risk. The threat is enough to be effective but Iran is also enforcing it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 20 points 5 months ago Oil tankers tend to be a pretty risk-averse group. They're not going to risk getting hit and having their multi-million dollar cargo go up in flames, even if the risk of getting hit while transiting the strait is relatively low. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago The Straits are 20 miles at the narrowest. they can hit ships with artillery. Plus they also have drones, which they've been using to hit over ten oil tankers since the illegal war began permalink fedilink source parent [–] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (3 children) I've been wondering the same thing. It's a baller thing to say. But if they've lost air superiority (or even if it's compromised) then it doesn't mean much. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Substance_P@lemmy.world [S] 43 points 5 months ago (3 children) I read somewhere that Iran can close the strait without a full-scale naval engagement using selective drone strikes and harassing vessels, Iran triggers a spike in maritime insurance premiums which will choke shipping companies. Also because of the narrow width of the strait, also shallow, Iran can use mines, they have both simple contact mines to sophisticated "smart" mines, apparently they possesses one of the largest naval mine inventories in the world. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 22 points 5 months ago Those are fair points. They don't need to block all targeted traffic. They just have to be enough of a threat/pain in the ass for transportation and insurance rates to go up to an uncomfortable level. It's all about threat and perception. Sure, the US air force and navy could bomb the shit out of their artillery placements. But given how (relatively) cheap and effective drones are, that might not be as effective as it seems at first. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago How shallow? If a ship gets sunk would that be another obstacle? permalink fedilink source parent [+] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works -34 points 5 months ago (4 children) They're a petrostate with a hopelessly outdated air force, the US or any other developed country can destroy their infrastructure at their leisure and bring their economy to it's knees. Which they would happily do if Iran sinks a vessel flagged in their waters. They also need a working vessel to lay those mines. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 21 points 5 months ago (1 child) You realize that threats like this don't work AFTER you already did it, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works -9 points 5 months ago (2 children) There will be something they haven't hit yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 14 points 5 months ago (1 child) Sure, and they are going to bomb it regardless, you see the problem with killing the people you were negotiating with? The next guy isn't going to come to the table. Think Americans are going to give up all their comforts and wealth just to bump off Iran? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 months ago Also just to add to your point. Even if Trump and Co try to force away those conforts how long till you start getting little IRA style sessesionist groups? The US powergrid alone is a rather vast vulnerability. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago* (1 child) Like their pre-schools. That'll show em how mighty our brave troops and weapons are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MyEdgyAlt@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago Israel is involved here so that’s not a joke. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child) lol a country and people that has existed in that region for thousands of years hosting multiple land empires, survived multiple genocidal Mongol hordes....is a petrostate that will crumble if you just bomb some stuff. Fucking Americunt MAGA brainrot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works -4 points 5 months ago The Iranian nation as we know it only came into existence with the fall of the Shah. The land will always be there, the regime, not so much. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Furbag@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago And what do you suppose happens to all those civilians whose economy is now in shambles? Assuming they aren't killed in the missile strikes, that is. permalink fedilink source parent [–] GuyIncognito@lemmy.ca 1 point 5 months ago Lmao, what fucking reality do you live in. The war is already going on, they've been attacking iran for like 2 weeks now. What is this "the USA can DESTROY them if they DARE target our ships" shit? Strait's closed. try and open it, bitch permalink fedilink source parent [–] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 months ago Losing Air superiority doesn't mean their artillery stops working. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works -19 points 5 months ago (1 child) It's not really baller if everyone just ignores them, and joins a US led convoy through the Strait. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 19 points 5 months ago (1 child) Neat, the US taxpayers are going to spend billions of dollars to escort oil for the Arabs. All in order to reduce the value of America's own oil exports. How likely do you think that is? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Pretty likely. Iran will break before America. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 2 points 5 months ago Except you can't even define what that means. How does Iran "break"? They are literally just existing in their country. Where are they supposed to go? Closing the straight was a RESPONSE to American bombings of civilian targets. Are they supposed to just let the US bomb more civilian targets or else they will keep bombing civilian targets? How does that even make sense? Conversely, the US is spending billions of dollars to do what, exactly? What are the American people getting back on this investment? Do you really think that Americans are going to tolerate increased costs of every product they purchase forever just to achieve the ....... that is the goal of this whole enterprise? permalink fedilink source parent [–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago All you have to do is scare the money people. permalink fedilink source parent [–] auraithx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 months ago They don’t need naval assets all they need to do is give the green light to Russian proxies who will lay mines and knock it out of action for years. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 67 points 5 months ago* (2 children) It’s already closed. The threat and the resulting insurance pull is all that’s needed. https://shanakaanslemperera.substack.com/p/actuarial-warfare-how-seven-insurance permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ellen.kimble@piefed.social 24 points 5 months ago (1 child) Greece got through https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/greek-operated-tanker-with-saudi-oil-cargo-sails-through-hormuz-ship-tracking-2026-03-09/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wewbull@feddit.uk 4 points 5 months ago (1 child) Greek sailors are nutters permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tryagain@sopuli.xyz 7 points 5 months ago The Greeks and the Persians go way back. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 19 points 5 months ago https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/greek-operated-tanker-with-saudi-oil-cargo-sails-through-hormuz-ship-tracking-2026-03-09/ Someone called their bluff. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ellen.kimble@piefed.social 24 points 5 months ago (1 child) Greece got through https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/greek-operated-tanker-with-saudi-oil-cargo-sails-through-hormuz-ship-tracking-2026-03-09/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wewbull@feddit.uk 4 points 5 months ago (1 child) Greek sailors are nutters permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tryagain@sopuli.xyz 7 points 5 months ago The Greeks and the Persians go way back. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 4 points 5 months ago (1 child) Greek sailors are nutters permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tryagain@sopuli.xyz 7 points 5 months ago The Greeks and the Persians go way back. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tryagain@sopuli.xyz 7 points 5 months ago The Greeks and the Persians go way back. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 19 points 5 months ago https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/greek-operated-tanker-with-saudi-oil-cargo-sails-through-hormuz-ship-tracking-2026-03-09/ Someone called their bluff. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 55 points 5 months ago (1 child) Iran can close the straight with like 2 dudes with RPGs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Patrikvo@lemmy.zip 23 points 5 months ago (5 children) I'm picturing two Iranian guys, sitting in beach chairs next to the straight, sipping coctails, next to a crate marked "RPG". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] dcatt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 5 months ago (1 child) JustCause 3 loading screen vibes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Patrikvo@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 months ago Exactly the mental picture I had too. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ClanOfTheOcho@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago Plot twist, the crate is full of Monster Manuals and Dungeon Keepers Guides, and the guys were just hoping to have a fun afternoon. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago I had the same thought only with a truck full of drones behind them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 5 months ago Playing RPGs on their Steam Decks permalink fedilink source parent [–] dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago* They'd be houthis from yemen (inshallah), not Iranians, but close enough permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Patrikvo@lemmy.zip 23 points 5 months ago (5 children) I'm picturing two Iranian guys, sitting in beach chairs next to the straight, sipping coctails, next to a crate marked "RPG". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] dcatt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 5 months ago (1 child) JustCause 3 loading screen vibes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Patrikvo@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 months ago Exactly the mental picture I had too. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ClanOfTheOcho@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago Plot twist, the crate is full of Monster Manuals and Dungeon Keepers Guides, and the guys were just hoping to have a fun afternoon. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago I had the same thought only with a truck full of drones behind them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 5 months ago Playing RPGs on their Steam Decks permalink fedilink source parent [–] dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago* They'd be houthis from yemen (inshallah), not Iranians, but close enough permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dcatt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 5 months ago (1 child) JustCause 3 loading screen vibes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Patrikvo@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 months ago Exactly the mental picture I had too. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Patrikvo@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 months ago Exactly the mental picture I had too. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ClanOfTheOcho@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago Plot twist, the crate is full of Monster Manuals and Dungeon Keepers Guides, and the guys were just hoping to have a fun afternoon. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago I had the same thought only with a truck full of drones behind them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 5 months ago Playing RPGs on their Steam Decks permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago* They'd be houthis from yemen (inshallah), not Iranians, but close enough permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wheezy@lemmy.ml 36 points 5 months ago* (1 child) Trade ships will redirect at even the threat of being met with any confrontation. It is not worth the risk. Iran doesn't need a Navy to do this either. They need a couple dudes with AKs in a speedboat. For more info. Just look at Yemen's blockade as an example. Ships aren't gonna risk massive payloads. Insurance won't cover the loss either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago* (1 child) Don't even need to get near the ocean, they can just sit inland and launch drones and rockets at passing ships like the Houthis did. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wheezy@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 months ago (1 child) Yep. Which is why I'm really confused by the reports of them "mining" it today. I'm really wondering if it's just a fake "win" the US is trying to manufacture. Maybe they are trying to do it. But it doesn't make sense at all with their messages of allowing passage to states that boot US and Israeli ambassadors. Even if the mines can be deactivated it still doesn't make sense strategically for Iran to do that. Was watching the reporting live with CBS saying that Iran was placing mines. Then Trump gets on and says we stopped them from doing it. Just doesn't add up at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child) Yeah. Every major news outlet is complicit. Charlie's Broadcast Station is full Nazi now. I have have cut off all mainstream media for my sanity because it certainly isn't making more informed. As for the mine claims, I think it's that Iran knows how our chickenshit post-industrialized vibe economy works. Just claiming they've mined the strait is causing the market to shit it's pants regardless of it it's true or not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wheezy@lemmy.ml 1 point 5 months ago Interesting take on the mines I haven't thought about. Would make sense. I agree. I do still try to follow how the mainstream media is trying to build its narrative. Though I would definitely be mentally healthy without it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago* (1 child) Don't even need to get near the ocean, they can just sit inland and launch drones and rockets at passing ships like the Houthis did. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wheezy@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 months ago (1 child) Yep. Which is why I'm really confused by the reports of them "mining" it today. I'm really wondering if it's just a fake "win" the US is trying to manufacture. Maybe they are trying to do it. But it doesn't make sense at all with their messages of allowing passage to states that boot US and Israeli ambassadors. Even if the mines can be deactivated it still doesn't make sense strategically for Iran to do that. Was watching the reporting live with CBS saying that Iran was placing mines. Then Trump gets on and says we stopped them from doing it. Just doesn't add up at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child) Yeah. Every major news outlet is complicit. Charlie's Broadcast Station is full Nazi now. I have have cut off all mainstream media for my sanity because it certainly isn't making more informed. As for the mine claims, I think it's that Iran knows how our chickenshit post-industrialized vibe economy works. Just claiming they've mined the strait is causing the market to shit it's pants regardless of it it's true or not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wheezy@lemmy.ml 1 point 5 months ago Interesting take on the mines I haven't thought about. Would make sense. I agree. I do still try to follow how the mainstream media is trying to build its narrative. Though I would definitely be mentally healthy without it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wheezy@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 months ago (1 child) Yep. Which is why I'm really confused by the reports of them "mining" it today. I'm really wondering if it's just a fake "win" the US is trying to manufacture. Maybe they are trying to do it. But it doesn't make sense at all with their messages of allowing passage to states that boot US and Israeli ambassadors. Even if the mines can be deactivated it still doesn't make sense strategically for Iran to do that. Was watching the reporting live with CBS saying that Iran was placing mines. Then Trump gets on and says we stopped them from doing it. Just doesn't add up at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child) Yeah. Every major news outlet is complicit. Charlie's Broadcast Station is full Nazi now. I have have cut off all mainstream media for my sanity because it certainly isn't making more informed. As for the mine claims, I think it's that Iran knows how our chickenshit post-industrialized vibe economy works. Just claiming they've mined the strait is causing the market to shit it's pants regardless of it it's true or not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wheezy@lemmy.ml 1 point 5 months ago Interesting take on the mines I haven't thought about. Would make sense. I agree. I do still try to follow how the mainstream media is trying to build its narrative. Though I would definitely be mentally healthy without it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child) Yeah. Every major news outlet is complicit. Charlie's Broadcast Station is full Nazi now. I have have cut off all mainstream media for my sanity because it certainly isn't making more informed. As for the mine claims, I think it's that Iran knows how our chickenshit post-industrialized vibe economy works. Just claiming they've mined the strait is causing the market to shit it's pants regardless of it it's true or not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wheezy@lemmy.ml 1 point 5 months ago Interesting take on the mines I haven't thought about. Would make sense. I agree. I do still try to follow how the mainstream media is trying to build its narrative. Though I would definitely be mentally healthy without it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wheezy@lemmy.ml 1 point 5 months ago Interesting take on the mines I haven't thought about. Would make sense. I agree. I do still try to follow how the mainstream media is trying to build its narrative. Though I would definitely be mentally healthy without it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 20 points 5 months ago* Considering it has signficantly affected oil prices. Yes. A large amount of ships are currently stuck in the persian gulf. A significant portion of this is because they do not want to take the risk. The threat is enough to be effective but Iran is also enforcing it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 20 points 5 months ago Oil tankers tend to be a pretty risk-averse group. They're not going to risk getting hit and having their multi-million dollar cargo go up in flames, even if the risk of getting hit while transiting the strait is relatively low. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago The Straits are 20 miles at the narrowest. they can hit ships with artillery. Plus they also have drones, which they've been using to hit over ten oil tankers since the illegal war began permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (3 children) I've been wondering the same thing. It's a baller thing to say. But if they've lost air superiority (or even if it's compromised) then it doesn't mean much. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Substance_P@lemmy.world [S] 43 points 5 months ago (3 children) I read somewhere that Iran can close the strait without a full-scale naval engagement using selective drone strikes and harassing vessels, Iran triggers a spike in maritime insurance premiums which will choke shipping companies. Also because of the narrow width of the strait, also shallow, Iran can use mines, they have both simple contact mines to sophisticated "smart" mines, apparently they possesses one of the largest naval mine inventories in the world. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 22 points 5 months ago Those are fair points. They don't need to block all targeted traffic. They just have to be enough of a threat/pain in the ass for transportation and insurance rates to go up to an uncomfortable level. It's all about threat and perception. Sure, the US air force and navy could bomb the shit out of their artillery placements. But given how (relatively) cheap and effective drones are, that might not be as effective as it seems at first. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago How shallow? If a ship gets sunk would that be another obstacle? permalink fedilink source parent [+] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works -34 points 5 months ago (4 children) They're a petrostate with a hopelessly outdated air force, the US or any other developed country can destroy their infrastructure at their leisure and bring their economy to it's knees. Which they would happily do if Iran sinks a vessel flagged in their waters. They also need a working vessel to lay those mines. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 21 points 5 months ago (1 child) You realize that threats like this don't work AFTER you already did it, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works -9 points 5 months ago (2 children) There will be something they haven't hit yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 14 points 5 months ago (1 child) Sure, and they are going to bomb it regardless, you see the problem with killing the people you were negotiating with? The next guy isn't going to come to the table. Think Americans are going to give up all their comforts and wealth just to bump off Iran? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 months ago Also just to add to your point. Even if Trump and Co try to force away those conforts how long till you start getting little IRA style sessesionist groups? The US powergrid alone is a rather vast vulnerability. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago* (1 child) Like their pre-schools. That'll show em how mighty our brave troops and weapons are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MyEdgyAlt@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago Israel is involved here so that’s not a joke. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child) lol a country and people that has existed in that region for thousands of years hosting multiple land empires, survived multiple genocidal Mongol hordes....is a petrostate that will crumble if you just bomb some stuff. Fucking Americunt MAGA brainrot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works -4 points 5 months ago The Iranian nation as we know it only came into existence with the fall of the Shah. The land will always be there, the regime, not so much. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Furbag@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago And what do you suppose happens to all those civilians whose economy is now in shambles? Assuming they aren't killed in the missile strikes, that is. permalink fedilink source parent [–] GuyIncognito@lemmy.ca 1 point 5 months ago Lmao, what fucking reality do you live in. The war is already going on, they've been attacking iran for like 2 weeks now. What is this "the USA can DESTROY them if they DARE target our ships" shit? Strait's closed. try and open it, bitch permalink fedilink source parent [–] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 months ago Losing Air superiority doesn't mean their artillery stops working. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works -19 points 5 months ago (1 child) It's not really baller if everyone just ignores them, and joins a US led convoy through the Strait. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 19 points 5 months ago (1 child) Neat, the US taxpayers are going to spend billions of dollars to escort oil for the Arabs. All in order to reduce the value of America's own oil exports. How likely do you think that is? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Pretty likely. Iran will break before America. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 2 points 5 months ago Except you can't even define what that means. How does Iran "break"? They are literally just existing in their country. Where are they supposed to go? Closing the straight was a RESPONSE to American bombings of civilian targets. Are they supposed to just let the US bomb more civilian targets or else they will keep bombing civilian targets? How does that even make sense? Conversely, the US is spending billions of dollars to do what, exactly? What are the American people getting back on this investment? Do you really think that Americans are going to tolerate increased costs of every product they purchase forever just to achieve the ....... that is the goal of this whole enterprise? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Substance_P@lemmy.world [S] 43 points 5 months ago (3 children) I read somewhere that Iran can close the strait without a full-scale naval engagement using selective drone strikes and harassing vessels, Iran triggers a spike in maritime insurance premiums which will choke shipping companies. Also because of the narrow width of the strait, also shallow, Iran can use mines, they have both simple contact mines to sophisticated "smart" mines, apparently they possesses one of the largest naval mine inventories in the world. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 22 points 5 months ago Those are fair points. They don't need to block all targeted traffic. They just have to be enough of a threat/pain in the ass for transportation and insurance rates to go up to an uncomfortable level. It's all about threat and perception. Sure, the US air force and navy could bomb the shit out of their artillery placements. But given how (relatively) cheap and effective drones are, that might not be as effective as it seems at first. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago How shallow? If a ship gets sunk would that be another obstacle? permalink fedilink source parent [+] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works -34 points 5 months ago (4 children) They're a petrostate with a hopelessly outdated air force, the US or any other developed country can destroy their infrastructure at their leisure and bring their economy to it's knees. Which they would happily do if Iran sinks a vessel flagged in their waters. They also need a working vessel to lay those mines. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 21 points 5 months ago (1 child) You realize that threats like this don't work AFTER you already did it, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works -9 points 5 months ago (2 children) There will be something they haven't hit yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 14 points 5 months ago (1 child) Sure, and they are going to bomb it regardless, you see the problem with killing the people you were negotiating with? The next guy isn't going to come to the table. Think Americans are going to give up all their comforts and wealth just to bump off Iran? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 months ago Also just to add to your point. Even if Trump and Co try to force away those conforts how long till you start getting little IRA style sessesionist groups? The US powergrid alone is a rather vast vulnerability. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago* (1 child) Like their pre-schools. That'll show em how mighty our brave troops and weapons are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MyEdgyAlt@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago Israel is involved here so that’s not a joke. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child) lol a country and people that has existed in that region for thousands of years hosting multiple land empires, survived multiple genocidal Mongol hordes....is a petrostate that will crumble if you just bomb some stuff. Fucking Americunt MAGA brainrot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works -4 points 5 months ago The Iranian nation as we know it only came into existence with the fall of the Shah. The land will always be there, the regime, not so much. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Furbag@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago And what do you suppose happens to all those civilians whose economy is now in shambles? Assuming they aren't killed in the missile strikes, that is. permalink fedilink source parent [–] GuyIncognito@lemmy.ca 1 point 5 months ago Lmao, what fucking reality do you live in. The war is already going on, they've been attacking iran for like 2 weeks now. What is this "the USA can DESTROY them if they DARE target our ships" shit? Strait's closed. try and open it, bitch permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 22 points 5 months ago Those are fair points. They don't need to block all targeted traffic. They just have to be enough of a threat/pain in the ass for transportation and insurance rates to go up to an uncomfortable level. It's all about threat and perception. Sure, the US air force and navy could bomb the shit out of their artillery placements. But given how (relatively) cheap and effective drones are, that might not be as effective as it seems at first. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago How shallow? If a ship gets sunk would that be another obstacle? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works -34 points 5 months ago (4 children) They're a petrostate with a hopelessly outdated air force, the US or any other developed country can destroy their infrastructure at their leisure and bring their economy to it's knees. Which they would happily do if Iran sinks a vessel flagged in their waters. They also need a working vessel to lay those mines. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 21 points 5 months ago (1 child) You realize that threats like this don't work AFTER you already did it, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works -9 points 5 months ago (2 children) There will be something they haven't hit yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 14 points 5 months ago (1 child) Sure, and they are going to bomb it regardless, you see the problem with killing the people you were negotiating with? The next guy isn't going to come to the table. Think Americans are going to give up all their comforts and wealth just to bump off Iran? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 months ago Also just to add to your point. Even if Trump and Co try to force away those conforts how long till you start getting little IRA style sessesionist groups? The US powergrid alone is a rather vast vulnerability. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago* (1 child) Like their pre-schools. That'll show em how mighty our brave troops and weapons are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MyEdgyAlt@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago Israel is involved here so that’s not a joke. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child) lol a country and people that has existed in that region for thousands of years hosting multiple land empires, survived multiple genocidal Mongol hordes....is a petrostate that will crumble if you just bomb some stuff. Fucking Americunt MAGA brainrot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works -4 points 5 months ago The Iranian nation as we know it only came into existence with the fall of the Shah. The land will always be there, the regime, not so much. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Furbag@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago And what do you suppose happens to all those civilians whose economy is now in shambles? Assuming they aren't killed in the missile strikes, that is. permalink fedilink source parent [–] GuyIncognito@lemmy.ca 1 point 5 months ago Lmao, what fucking reality do you live in. The war is already going on, they've been attacking iran for like 2 weeks now. What is this "the USA can DESTROY them if they DARE target our ships" shit? Strait's closed. try and open it, bitch permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 21 points 5 months ago (1 child) You realize that threats like this don't work AFTER you already did it, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works -9 points 5 months ago (2 children) There will be something they haven't hit yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 14 points 5 months ago (1 child) Sure, and they are going to bomb it regardless, you see the problem with killing the people you were negotiating with? The next guy isn't going to come to the table. Think Americans are going to give up all their comforts and wealth just to bump off Iran? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 months ago Also just to add to your point. Even if Trump and Co try to force away those conforts how long till you start getting little IRA style sessesionist groups? The US powergrid alone is a rather vast vulnerability. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago* (1 child) Like their pre-schools. That'll show em how mighty our brave troops and weapons are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MyEdgyAlt@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago Israel is involved here so that’s not a joke. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works -9 points 5 months ago (2 children) There will be something they haven't hit yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 14 points 5 months ago (1 child) Sure, and they are going to bomb it regardless, you see the problem with killing the people you were negotiating with? The next guy isn't going to come to the table. Think Americans are going to give up all their comforts and wealth just to bump off Iran? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 months ago Also just to add to your point. Even if Trump and Co try to force away those conforts how long till you start getting little IRA style sessesionist groups? The US powergrid alone is a rather vast vulnerability. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago* (1 child) Like their pre-schools. That'll show em how mighty our brave troops and weapons are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MyEdgyAlt@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago Israel is involved here so that’s not a joke. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 14 points 5 months ago (1 child) Sure, and they are going to bomb it regardless, you see the problem with killing the people you were negotiating with? The next guy isn't going to come to the table. Think Americans are going to give up all their comforts and wealth just to bump off Iran? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 months ago Also just to add to your point. Even if Trump and Co try to force away those conforts how long till you start getting little IRA style sessesionist groups? The US powergrid alone is a rather vast vulnerability. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 months ago Also just to add to your point. Even if Trump and Co try to force away those conforts how long till you start getting little IRA style sessesionist groups? The US powergrid alone is a rather vast vulnerability. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago* (1 child) Like their pre-schools. That'll show em how mighty our brave troops and weapons are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MyEdgyAlt@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago Israel is involved here so that’s not a joke. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MyEdgyAlt@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago Israel is involved here so that’s not a joke. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child) lol a country and people that has existed in that region for thousands of years hosting multiple land empires, survived multiple genocidal Mongol hordes....is a petrostate that will crumble if you just bomb some stuff. Fucking Americunt MAGA brainrot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works -4 points 5 months ago The Iranian nation as we know it only came into existence with the fall of the Shah. The land will always be there, the regime, not so much. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works -4 points 5 months ago The Iranian nation as we know it only came into existence with the fall of the Shah. The land will always be there, the regime, not so much. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago And what do you suppose happens to all those civilians whose economy is now in shambles? Assuming they aren't killed in the missile strikes, that is. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GuyIncognito@lemmy.ca 1 point 5 months ago Lmao, what fucking reality do you live in. The war is already going on, they've been attacking iran for like 2 weeks now. What is this "the USA can DESTROY them if they DARE target our ships" shit? Strait's closed. try and open it, bitch permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 months ago Losing Air superiority doesn't mean their artillery stops working. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works -19 points 5 months ago (1 child) It's not really baller if everyone just ignores them, and joins a US led convoy through the Strait. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 19 points 5 months ago (1 child) Neat, the US taxpayers are going to spend billions of dollars to escort oil for the Arabs. All in order to reduce the value of America's own oil exports. How likely do you think that is? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Pretty likely. Iran will break before America. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 2 points 5 months ago Except you can't even define what that means. How does Iran "break"? They are literally just existing in their country. Where are they supposed to go? Closing the straight was a RESPONSE to American bombings of civilian targets. Are they supposed to just let the US bomb more civilian targets or else they will keep bombing civilian targets? How does that even make sense? Conversely, the US is spending billions of dollars to do what, exactly? What are the American people getting back on this investment? Do you really think that Americans are going to tolerate increased costs of every product they purchase forever just to achieve the ....... that is the goal of this whole enterprise? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 19 points 5 months ago (1 child) Neat, the US taxpayers are going to spend billions of dollars to escort oil for the Arabs. All in order to reduce the value of America's own oil exports. How likely do you think that is? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Pretty likely. Iran will break before America. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 2 points 5 months ago Except you can't even define what that means. How does Iran "break"? They are literally just existing in their country. Where are they supposed to go? Closing the straight was a RESPONSE to American bombings of civilian targets. Are they supposed to just let the US bomb more civilian targets or else they will keep bombing civilian targets? How does that even make sense? Conversely, the US is spending billions of dollars to do what, exactly? What are the American people getting back on this investment? Do you really think that Americans are going to tolerate increased costs of every product they purchase forever just to achieve the ....... that is the goal of this whole enterprise? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Pretty likely. Iran will break before America. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 2 points 5 months ago Except you can't even define what that means. How does Iran "break"? They are literally just existing in their country. Where are they supposed to go? Closing the straight was a RESPONSE to American bombings of civilian targets. Are they supposed to just let the US bomb more civilian targets or else they will keep bombing civilian targets? How does that even make sense? Conversely, the US is spending billions of dollars to do what, exactly? What are the American people getting back on this investment? Do you really think that Americans are going to tolerate increased costs of every product they purchase forever just to achieve the ....... that is the goal of this whole enterprise? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 2 points 5 months ago Except you can't even define what that means. How does Iran "break"? They are literally just existing in their country. Where are they supposed to go? Closing the straight was a RESPONSE to American bombings of civilian targets. Are they supposed to just let the US bomb more civilian targets or else they will keep bombing civilian targets? How does that even make sense? Conversely, the US is spending billions of dollars to do what, exactly? What are the American people getting back on this investment? Do you really think that Americans are going to tolerate increased costs of every product they purchase forever just to achieve the ....... that is the goal of this whole enterprise? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago All you have to do is scare the money people. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] auraithx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 months ago They don’t need naval assets all they need to do is give the green light to Russian proxies who will lay mines and knock it out of action for years. permalink fedilink source parent