▲ 770 ▼ Iran pulls a gangster move.. (lemmy.world) submitted 5 months ago* by Substance_P@lemmy.world to c/politicalmemes@lemmy.world 101 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (3 children) I've been wondering the same thing. It's a baller thing to say. But if they've lost air superiority (or even if it's compromised) then it doesn't mean much. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Substance_P@lemmy.world [S] 43 points 5 months ago (3 children) I read somewhere that Iran can close the strait without a full-scale naval engagement using selective drone strikes and harassing vessels, Iran triggers a spike in maritime insurance premiums which will choke shipping companies. Also because of the narrow width of the strait, also shallow, Iran can use mines, they have both simple contact mines to sophisticated "smart" mines, apparently they possesses one of the largest naval mine inventories in the world. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 22 points 5 months ago Those are fair points. They don't need to block all targeted traffic. They just have to be enough of a threat/pain in the ass for transportation and insurance rates to go up to an uncomfortable level. It's all about threat and perception. Sure, the US air force and navy could bomb the shit out of their artillery placements. But given how (relatively) cheap and effective drones are, that might not be as effective as it seems at first. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago How shallow? If a ship gets sunk would that be another obstacle? permalink fedilink source parent [+] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works -34 points 5 months ago (4 children) They're a petrostate with a hopelessly outdated air force, the US or any other developed country can destroy their infrastructure at their leisure and bring their economy to it's knees. Which they would happily do if Iran sinks a vessel flagged in their waters. They also need a working vessel to lay those mines. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 21 points 5 months ago (1 child) You realize that threats like this don't work AFTER you already did it, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works -9 points 5 months ago (2 children) There will be something they haven't hit yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 14 points 5 months ago (1 child) Sure, and they are going to bomb it regardless, you see the problem with killing the people you were negotiating with? The next guy isn't going to come to the table. Think Americans are going to give up all their comforts and wealth just to bump off Iran? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 months ago Also just to add to your point. Even if Trump and Co try to force away those conforts how long till you start getting little IRA style sessesionist groups? The US powergrid alone is a rather vast vulnerability. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago* (1 child) Like their pre-schools. That'll show em how mighty our brave troops and weapons are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MyEdgyAlt@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago Israel is involved here so that’s not a joke. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child) lol a country and people that has existed in that region for thousands of years hosting multiple land empires, survived multiple genocidal Mongol hordes....is a petrostate that will crumble if you just bomb some stuff. Fucking Americunt MAGA brainrot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works -4 points 5 months ago The Iranian nation as we know it only came into existence with the fall of the Shah. The land will always be there, the regime, not so much. permalink fedilink source parent [–] GuyIncognito@lemmy.ca 1 point 5 months ago Lmao, what fucking reality do you live in. The war is already going on, they've been attacking iran for like 2 weeks now. What is this "the USA can DESTROY them if they DARE target our ships" shit? Strait's closed. try and open it, bitch permalink fedilink source parent [–] Furbag@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago And what do you suppose happens to all those civilians whose economy is now in shambles? Assuming they aren't killed in the missile strikes, that is. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 months ago Losing Air superiority doesn't mean their artillery stops working. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works -19 points 5 months ago (1 child) It's not really baller if everyone just ignores them, and joins a US led convoy through the Strait. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 19 points 5 months ago (1 child) Neat, the US taxpayers are going to spend billions of dollars to escort oil for the Arabs. All in order to reduce the value of America's own oil exports. How likely do you think that is? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Pretty likely. Iran will break before America. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 2 points 5 months ago Except you can't even define what that means. How does Iran "break"? They are literally just existing in their country. Where are they supposed to go? Closing the straight was a RESPONSE to American bombings of civilian targets. Are they supposed to just let the US bomb more civilian targets or else they will keep bombing civilian targets? How does that even make sense? Conversely, the US is spending billions of dollars to do what, exactly? What are the American people getting back on this investment? Do you really think that Americans are going to tolerate increased costs of every product they purchase forever just to achieve the ....... that is the goal of this whole enterprise? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Substance_P@lemmy.world [S] 43 points 5 months ago (3 children) I read somewhere that Iran can close the strait without a full-scale naval engagement using selective drone strikes and harassing vessels, Iran triggers a spike in maritime insurance premiums which will choke shipping companies. Also because of the narrow width of the strait, also shallow, Iran can use mines, they have both simple contact mines to sophisticated "smart" mines, apparently they possesses one of the largest naval mine inventories in the world. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 22 points 5 months ago Those are fair points. They don't need to block all targeted traffic. They just have to be enough of a threat/pain in the ass for transportation and insurance rates to go up to an uncomfortable level. It's all about threat and perception. Sure, the US air force and navy could bomb the shit out of their artillery placements. But given how (relatively) cheap and effective drones are, that might not be as effective as it seems at first. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago How shallow? If a ship gets sunk would that be another obstacle? permalink fedilink source parent [+] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works -34 points 5 months ago (4 children) They're a petrostate with a hopelessly outdated air force, the US or any other developed country can destroy their infrastructure at their leisure and bring their economy to it's knees. Which they would happily do if Iran sinks a vessel flagged in their waters. They also need a working vessel to lay those mines. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 21 points 5 months ago (1 child) You realize that threats like this don't work AFTER you already did it, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works -9 points 5 months ago (2 children) There will be something they haven't hit yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 14 points 5 months ago (1 child) Sure, and they are going to bomb it regardless, you see the problem with killing the people you were negotiating with? The next guy isn't going to come to the table. Think Americans are going to give up all their comforts and wealth just to bump off Iran? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 months ago Also just to add to your point. Even if Trump and Co try to force away those conforts how long till you start getting little IRA style sessesionist groups? The US powergrid alone is a rather vast vulnerability. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago* (1 child) Like their pre-schools. That'll show em how mighty our brave troops and weapons are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MyEdgyAlt@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago Israel is involved here so that’s not a joke. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child) lol a country and people that has existed in that region for thousands of years hosting multiple land empires, survived multiple genocidal Mongol hordes....is a petrostate that will crumble if you just bomb some stuff. Fucking Americunt MAGA brainrot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works -4 points 5 months ago The Iranian nation as we know it only came into existence with the fall of the Shah. The land will always be there, the regime, not so much. permalink fedilink source parent [–] GuyIncognito@lemmy.ca 1 point 5 months ago Lmao, what fucking reality do you live in. The war is already going on, they've been attacking iran for like 2 weeks now. What is this "the USA can DESTROY them if they DARE target our ships" shit? Strait's closed. try and open it, bitch permalink fedilink source parent [–] Furbag@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago And what do you suppose happens to all those civilians whose economy is now in shambles? Assuming they aren't killed in the missile strikes, that is. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 22 points 5 months ago Those are fair points. They don't need to block all targeted traffic. They just have to be enough of a threat/pain in the ass for transportation and insurance rates to go up to an uncomfortable level. It's all about threat and perception. Sure, the US air force and navy could bomb the shit out of their artillery placements. But given how (relatively) cheap and effective drones are, that might not be as effective as it seems at first. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago How shallow? If a ship gets sunk would that be another obstacle? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works -34 points 5 months ago (4 children) They're a petrostate with a hopelessly outdated air force, the US or any other developed country can destroy their infrastructure at their leisure and bring their economy to it's knees. Which they would happily do if Iran sinks a vessel flagged in their waters. They also need a working vessel to lay those mines. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 21 points 5 months ago (1 child) You realize that threats like this don't work AFTER you already did it, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works -9 points 5 months ago (2 children) There will be something they haven't hit yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 14 points 5 months ago (1 child) Sure, and they are going to bomb it regardless, you see the problem with killing the people you were negotiating with? The next guy isn't going to come to the table. Think Americans are going to give up all their comforts and wealth just to bump off Iran? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 months ago Also just to add to your point. Even if Trump and Co try to force away those conforts how long till you start getting little IRA style sessesionist groups? The US powergrid alone is a rather vast vulnerability. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago* (1 child) Like their pre-schools. That'll show em how mighty our brave troops and weapons are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MyEdgyAlt@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago Israel is involved here so that’s not a joke. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child) lol a country and people that has existed in that region for thousands of years hosting multiple land empires, survived multiple genocidal Mongol hordes....is a petrostate that will crumble if you just bomb some stuff. Fucking Americunt MAGA brainrot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works -4 points 5 months ago The Iranian nation as we know it only came into existence with the fall of the Shah. The land will always be there, the regime, not so much. permalink fedilink source parent [–] GuyIncognito@lemmy.ca 1 point 5 months ago Lmao, what fucking reality do you live in. The war is already going on, they've been attacking iran for like 2 weeks now. What is this "the USA can DESTROY them if they DARE target our ships" shit? Strait's closed. try and open it, bitch permalink fedilink source parent [–] Furbag@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago And what do you suppose happens to all those civilians whose economy is now in shambles? Assuming they aren't killed in the missile strikes, that is. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 21 points 5 months ago (1 child) You realize that threats like this don't work AFTER you already did it, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works -9 points 5 months ago (2 children) There will be something they haven't hit yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 14 points 5 months ago (1 child) Sure, and they are going to bomb it regardless, you see the problem with killing the people you were negotiating with? The next guy isn't going to come to the table. Think Americans are going to give up all their comforts and wealth just to bump off Iran? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 months ago Also just to add to your point. Even if Trump and Co try to force away those conforts how long till you start getting little IRA style sessesionist groups? The US powergrid alone is a rather vast vulnerability. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago* (1 child) Like their pre-schools. That'll show em how mighty our brave troops and weapons are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MyEdgyAlt@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago Israel is involved here so that’s not a joke. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works -9 points 5 months ago (2 children) There will be something they haven't hit yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 14 points 5 months ago (1 child) Sure, and they are going to bomb it regardless, you see the problem with killing the people you were negotiating with? The next guy isn't going to come to the table. Think Americans are going to give up all their comforts and wealth just to bump off Iran? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 months ago Also just to add to your point. Even if Trump and Co try to force away those conforts how long till you start getting little IRA style sessesionist groups? The US powergrid alone is a rather vast vulnerability. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago* (1 child) Like their pre-schools. That'll show em how mighty our brave troops and weapons are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MyEdgyAlt@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago Israel is involved here so that’s not a joke. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 14 points 5 months ago (1 child) Sure, and they are going to bomb it regardless, you see the problem with killing the people you were negotiating with? The next guy isn't going to come to the table. Think Americans are going to give up all their comforts and wealth just to bump off Iran? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 months ago Also just to add to your point. Even if Trump and Co try to force away those conforts how long till you start getting little IRA style sessesionist groups? The US powergrid alone is a rather vast vulnerability. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 months ago Also just to add to your point. Even if Trump and Co try to force away those conforts how long till you start getting little IRA style sessesionist groups? The US powergrid alone is a rather vast vulnerability. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago* (1 child) Like their pre-schools. That'll show em how mighty our brave troops and weapons are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MyEdgyAlt@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago Israel is involved here so that’s not a joke. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MyEdgyAlt@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago Israel is involved here so that’s not a joke. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child) lol a country and people that has existed in that region for thousands of years hosting multiple land empires, survived multiple genocidal Mongol hordes....is a petrostate that will crumble if you just bomb some stuff. Fucking Americunt MAGA brainrot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works -4 points 5 months ago The Iranian nation as we know it only came into existence with the fall of the Shah. The land will always be there, the regime, not so much. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works -4 points 5 months ago The Iranian nation as we know it only came into existence with the fall of the Shah. The land will always be there, the regime, not so much. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GuyIncognito@lemmy.ca 1 point 5 months ago Lmao, what fucking reality do you live in. The war is already going on, they've been attacking iran for like 2 weeks now. What is this "the USA can DESTROY them if they DARE target our ships" shit? Strait's closed. try and open it, bitch permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago And what do you suppose happens to all those civilians whose economy is now in shambles? Assuming they aren't killed in the missile strikes, that is. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 months ago Losing Air superiority doesn't mean their artillery stops working. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works -19 points 5 months ago (1 child) It's not really baller if everyone just ignores them, and joins a US led convoy through the Strait. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 19 points 5 months ago (1 child) Neat, the US taxpayers are going to spend billions of dollars to escort oil for the Arabs. All in order to reduce the value of America's own oil exports. How likely do you think that is? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Pretty likely. Iran will break before America. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 2 points 5 months ago Except you can't even define what that means. How does Iran "break"? They are literally just existing in their country. Where are they supposed to go? Closing the straight was a RESPONSE to American bombings of civilian targets. Are they supposed to just let the US bomb more civilian targets or else they will keep bombing civilian targets? How does that even make sense? Conversely, the US is spending billions of dollars to do what, exactly? What are the American people getting back on this investment? Do you really think that Americans are going to tolerate increased costs of every product they purchase forever just to achieve the ....... that is the goal of this whole enterprise? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 19 points 5 months ago (1 child) Neat, the US taxpayers are going to spend billions of dollars to escort oil for the Arabs. All in order to reduce the value of America's own oil exports. How likely do you think that is? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Pretty likely. Iran will break before America. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 2 points 5 months ago Except you can't even define what that means. How does Iran "break"? They are literally just existing in their country. Where are they supposed to go? Closing the straight was a RESPONSE to American bombings of civilian targets. Are they supposed to just let the US bomb more civilian targets or else they will keep bombing civilian targets? How does that even make sense? Conversely, the US is spending billions of dollars to do what, exactly? What are the American people getting back on this investment? Do you really think that Americans are going to tolerate increased costs of every product they purchase forever just to achieve the ....... that is the goal of this whole enterprise? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Pretty likely. Iran will break before America. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 2 points 5 months ago Except you can't even define what that means. How does Iran "break"? They are literally just existing in their country. Where are they supposed to go? Closing the straight was a RESPONSE to American bombings of civilian targets. Are they supposed to just let the US bomb more civilian targets or else they will keep bombing civilian targets? How does that even make sense? Conversely, the US is spending billions of dollars to do what, exactly? What are the American people getting back on this investment? Do you really think that Americans are going to tolerate increased costs of every product they purchase forever just to achieve the ....... that is the goal of this whole enterprise? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 2 points 5 months ago Except you can't even define what that means. How does Iran "break"? They are literally just existing in their country. Where are they supposed to go? Closing the straight was a RESPONSE to American bombings of civilian targets. Are they supposed to just let the US bomb more civilian targets or else they will keep bombing civilian targets? How does that even make sense? Conversely, the US is spending billions of dollars to do what, exactly? What are the American people getting back on this investment? Do you really think that Americans are going to tolerate increased costs of every product they purchase forever just to achieve the ....... that is the goal of this whole enterprise? permalink fedilink source parent
