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GrapheneOS can help you retake your privacy, right now. - Veronica Explains (peertube.wtf)
submitted 5 months ago by to c/privacy@lemmy.ml
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[+] -9 points 5 months ago (6 children)

I ran graphene on a Pixel 4A 5G for a while until that phone inexplicably died.

I now have a Pixel 8 Pro, and I haven't installed Graphene on it. Why? Google wallet.

That shit is so convenient. That I can leave my own wallet at home and tap to get on transit, tap my work's virtual credit card, etc is holding me back from a second install.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    If you leave your wallet at home, you won't:

    • Have ID.
    • Have cash for when your phone dies.
    • Have a card for when your phone dies.

    There are many reasons to have your wallet with you.

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  • [–] -4 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    I'm sure there are, but thus far you haven't made compelling/relevant ones.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    There's also

    • Cash purchases are private
    • Cash purchases don't incur merchant fees for the retailer
    • Cash/Card purchases don't deliver money to American big tech.
    • You can use GrapheneOS if you get rid of Google Pay.
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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    IDs are on phones now in a bunch of states and i haven't carried cash in 20 years. Half the places around here don't even take cash anymore.

    Ive never had my phone die on me either.

    If we want adoption this needs a solution.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I just carry physical cards. I don't really understand this "every step away from google must be painless" attitude.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    No one said it did? It's a service that I find great value in, and one that I had given up for a time and enjoy having access to again.

    Everyone has their limit, this one is presently mine.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Looks like they have a link talking about this, and someone commented that they use a service mentioned for contactless payments.

    https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2025/06/contactless-payments-with-grapheneos/

    I haven't reviewed this myself as it's not a concern for me.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    "I'd rather give up all of my data to Google so that I don't have to... have the awful burden of carrying a wallet" lol

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    On the one hand, I admit this is kind of objectively silly behavior.

    On the other, I think it’s valuable to consider these things and the role they play in consumer/user behavior. Convenience is undeniably a major/the primary reason many users don’t do what’s best for them.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    There are always trade offs.

    I would love to main a Linux phone, as I'm sure many here would. But the present trade offs are too great.

    NFC payments are extremely convenient, especially when managing multiple cards - some of which are virtual. It's a service I had, then went without for awhile, and then appreciate having back again.

    I understand my initial comment makes it seem like I never carry a wallet true - which is not true - and liking Google Wallet is akin to saying "but I just like smoking" (in this community).

    It's great that you don't find it as convenient, which means the trade off isn't as substantial for you. However for my 5 days a week commuting it's a load off.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I have a p8p as well and am a sucker for contactless pay.

    I have a samsung android watch which costs like $50 second hand to get around the wallet not working on graphene.

    I dont really care anymore about gathered metadata that much. I was more black and white earlier, but nowadays I just try to minimize the cloudification instead of being completely against it.

    I choose my battles, and being against google wallet isnt really worth some effort from my side.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Same here: I pay contactless with a Garmin vivoactive3. It cost $30 on Craigslist, runs for ~3 days without charging. My thought was that Garmin has less "ecosystem" and is less likely to be monetizing purchase history, vs. Samsung... but I don't have any inside info.

    I have the GarminConnect app in my "Google Crapola" profile, and for a few months I even deleted the app, and tap-to-pay on the watch kept working.

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