▲ 210 ▼ I was quite out of the loop, but it sems like TeamSpeak 6 is now a full fledged self-hostable Discord alternative? TeamSpeak 6 Is Back: New Design, Screen Sharing, and More (www.tech2geek.net) submitted 6 months ago by Blaze@piefed.zip to c/privacy@programming.dev 64 comments fedilink hide all child comments Discover the exciting new features of TeamSpeak 6, including a complete redesign, screen sharing capabilities, and community server management, all aimed at improving user experience in gaming communication.
[–] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world 86 points 6 months ago (1 child) Still closed source proprietary software, but good for them. permalink fedilink source hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 6 months ago (2 children) Still better than Discord's age verification permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Telorand@reddthat.com 34 points 6 months ago (5 children) Until it's just as bad. Just move to Stoat (formerly Revolt) or Fermi.chat and save yourself the headache of another centralized platform going to shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Feyd@programming.dev 24 points 6 months ago (2 children) Neither of those have working audio channels yet right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] UnpledgedCatnapTipper@piefed.blahaj.zone 14 points 6 months ago (2 children) I've been following Stoat, their documentation states that self hosted voice channels don't work (I think their official server does though), and also you have to recompile their client software to hard code the link to your server. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Coldcell@sh.itjust.works 22 points 6 months ago* (1 child) That feels so much like niche coder hobbyist hurdles that I really doubt people en masse would make the switch by themselves. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnpledgedCatnapTipper@piefed.blahaj.zone 6 points 6 months ago Yeah I'm really hoping they just add a button in the client to connect to a custom server (like how Bitwarden works), as well as actually update the self hosting images and instructions. I've been keeping tabs on them for almost a year now, and still no progress on that front. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Feyd@programming.dev 7 points 6 months ago Oh yeesh. Sounds like it's got a good way to go before regular use becomes viable permalink fedilink source parent [–] Telorand@reddthat.com 5 points 6 months ago Stoat seems to, though I've not actually tested it. But my system audio devices showed up in the browser client as inputs, so that's a good sign that something is there. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Turret3857@infosec.pub 5 points 6 months ago As someone else said, stoat isnt federated. It also doesnt have E2EE. Meaning in practice, you are still using a centralized service that can enshitify. You could self host, but your friends aren't going to switch to your small self hosted instance if everyone is on the central server. permalink fedilink source parent [–] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 months ago (1 child) Or Matrix, which is federated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Telorand@reddthat.com -2 points 6 months ago (1 child) It's decentralized, not federated I thought...? Are there other services that use the Matrix protocol? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 months ago (1 child) Federated means that different servers can talk to each other and decentralized means that there is no server. There is also nothing stopping someone from using the Matrix protocol to create another service, though I don't know of one that exists. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fonix232@fedia.io 7 points 6 months ago (1 child) and decentralised means there is no server no, it means there's no central server. You still need a Matrix server to handle communications, but there's no "central matrix server", the servers discover each other based on a baked-in "known good" server list + ad-hoc discovery (e.g. if a server has a group chat with a member of a server your server doesn't know yet, and you join that group chat, your server and the unknown one exchange metadata and so on). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) You just described federation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fonix232@fedia.io 2 points 6 months ago No, this is called decentralisation. Federation would be the exchange of rules, policies, blocklists, etc., beyond the ability of servers to talk to each other. permalink fedilink source parent [–] k0e3@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) I tried to set one up but a bunch of people had trouble even signing up. I'm finding Element (Matrix) is less troublesome so far. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Telorand@reddthat.com 3 points 6 months ago That's good to know. I sincerely appreciate you sharing your experience permalink fedilink source parent [–] CorrectAlias@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 6 months ago You can self host Teamspeak and the self hosted version at least has voice chat unlike Stoat. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Fmstrat@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago Yea but there are FOSS options that even work with Discord bots and tools. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 6 months ago (2 children) Still better than Discord's age verification permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Telorand@reddthat.com 34 points 6 months ago (5 children) Until it's just as bad. Just move to Stoat (formerly Revolt) or Fermi.chat and save yourself the headache of another centralized platform going to shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Feyd@programming.dev 24 points 6 months ago (2 children) Neither of those have working audio channels yet right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] UnpledgedCatnapTipper@piefed.blahaj.zone 14 points 6 months ago (2 children) I've been following Stoat, their documentation states that self hosted voice channels don't work (I think their official server does though), and also you have to recompile their client software to hard code the link to your server. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Coldcell@sh.itjust.works 22 points 6 months ago* (1 child) That feels so much like niche coder hobbyist hurdles that I really doubt people en masse would make the switch by themselves. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnpledgedCatnapTipper@piefed.blahaj.zone 6 points 6 months ago Yeah I'm really hoping they just add a button in the client to connect to a custom server (like how Bitwarden works), as well as actually update the self hosting images and instructions. I've been keeping tabs on them for almost a year now, and still no progress on that front. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Feyd@programming.dev 7 points 6 months ago Oh yeesh. Sounds like it's got a good way to go before regular use becomes viable permalink fedilink source parent [–] Telorand@reddthat.com 5 points 6 months ago Stoat seems to, though I've not actually tested it. But my system audio devices showed up in the browser client as inputs, so that's a good sign that something is there. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Turret3857@infosec.pub 5 points 6 months ago As someone else said, stoat isnt federated. It also doesnt have E2EE. Meaning in practice, you are still using a centralized service that can enshitify. You could self host, but your friends aren't going to switch to your small self hosted instance if everyone is on the central server. permalink fedilink source parent [–] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 months ago (1 child) Or Matrix, which is federated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Telorand@reddthat.com -2 points 6 months ago (1 child) It's decentralized, not federated I thought...? Are there other services that use the Matrix protocol? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 months ago (1 child) Federated means that different servers can talk to each other and decentralized means that there is no server. There is also nothing stopping someone from using the Matrix protocol to create another service, though I don't know of one that exists. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fonix232@fedia.io 7 points 6 months ago (1 child) and decentralised means there is no server no, it means there's no central server. You still need a Matrix server to handle communications, but there's no "central matrix server", the servers discover each other based on a baked-in "known good" server list + ad-hoc discovery (e.g. if a server has a group chat with a member of a server your server doesn't know yet, and you join that group chat, your server and the unknown one exchange metadata and so on). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) You just described federation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fonix232@fedia.io 2 points 6 months ago No, this is called decentralisation. Federation would be the exchange of rules, policies, blocklists, etc., beyond the ability of servers to talk to each other. permalink fedilink source parent [–] k0e3@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) I tried to set one up but a bunch of people had trouble even signing up. I'm finding Element (Matrix) is less troublesome so far. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Telorand@reddthat.com 3 points 6 months ago That's good to know. I sincerely appreciate you sharing your experience permalink fedilink source parent [–] CorrectAlias@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 6 months ago You can self host Teamspeak and the self hosted version at least has voice chat unlike Stoat. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Fmstrat@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago Yea but there are FOSS options that even work with Discord bots and tools. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 34 points 6 months ago (5 children) Until it's just as bad. Just move to Stoat (formerly Revolt) or Fermi.chat and save yourself the headache of another centralized platform going to shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Feyd@programming.dev 24 points 6 months ago (2 children) Neither of those have working audio channels yet right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] UnpledgedCatnapTipper@piefed.blahaj.zone 14 points 6 months ago (2 children) I've been following Stoat, their documentation states that self hosted voice channels don't work (I think their official server does though), and also you have to recompile their client software to hard code the link to your server. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Coldcell@sh.itjust.works 22 points 6 months ago* (1 child) That feels so much like niche coder hobbyist hurdles that I really doubt people en masse would make the switch by themselves. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnpledgedCatnapTipper@piefed.blahaj.zone 6 points 6 months ago Yeah I'm really hoping they just add a button in the client to connect to a custom server (like how Bitwarden works), as well as actually update the self hosting images and instructions. I've been keeping tabs on them for almost a year now, and still no progress on that front. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Feyd@programming.dev 7 points 6 months ago Oh yeesh. Sounds like it's got a good way to go before regular use becomes viable permalink fedilink source parent [–] Telorand@reddthat.com 5 points 6 months ago Stoat seems to, though I've not actually tested it. But my system audio devices showed up in the browser client as inputs, so that's a good sign that something is there. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Turret3857@infosec.pub 5 points 6 months ago As someone else said, stoat isnt federated. It also doesnt have E2EE. Meaning in practice, you are still using a centralized service that can enshitify. You could self host, but your friends aren't going to switch to your small self hosted instance if everyone is on the central server. permalink fedilink source parent [–] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 months ago (1 child) Or Matrix, which is federated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Telorand@reddthat.com -2 points 6 months ago (1 child) It's decentralized, not federated I thought...? Are there other services that use the Matrix protocol? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 months ago (1 child) Federated means that different servers can talk to each other and decentralized means that there is no server. There is also nothing stopping someone from using the Matrix protocol to create another service, though I don't know of one that exists. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fonix232@fedia.io 7 points 6 months ago (1 child) and decentralised means there is no server no, it means there's no central server. You still need a Matrix server to handle communications, but there's no "central matrix server", the servers discover each other based on a baked-in "known good" server list + ad-hoc discovery (e.g. if a server has a group chat with a member of a server your server doesn't know yet, and you join that group chat, your server and the unknown one exchange metadata and so on). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) You just described federation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fonix232@fedia.io 2 points 6 months ago No, this is called decentralisation. Federation would be the exchange of rules, policies, blocklists, etc., beyond the ability of servers to talk to each other. permalink fedilink source parent [–] k0e3@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) I tried to set one up but a bunch of people had trouble even signing up. I'm finding Element (Matrix) is less troublesome so far. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Telorand@reddthat.com 3 points 6 months ago That's good to know. I sincerely appreciate you sharing your experience permalink fedilink source parent [–] CorrectAlias@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 6 months ago You can self host Teamspeak and the self hosted version at least has voice chat unlike Stoat. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Feyd@programming.dev 24 points 6 months ago (2 children) Neither of those have working audio channels yet right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] UnpledgedCatnapTipper@piefed.blahaj.zone 14 points 6 months ago (2 children) I've been following Stoat, their documentation states that self hosted voice channels don't work (I think their official server does though), and also you have to recompile their client software to hard code the link to your server. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Coldcell@sh.itjust.works 22 points 6 months ago* (1 child) That feels so much like niche coder hobbyist hurdles that I really doubt people en masse would make the switch by themselves. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnpledgedCatnapTipper@piefed.blahaj.zone 6 points 6 months ago Yeah I'm really hoping they just add a button in the client to connect to a custom server (like how Bitwarden works), as well as actually update the self hosting images and instructions. I've been keeping tabs on them for almost a year now, and still no progress on that front. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Feyd@programming.dev 7 points 6 months ago Oh yeesh. Sounds like it's got a good way to go before regular use becomes viable permalink fedilink source parent [–] Telorand@reddthat.com 5 points 6 months ago Stoat seems to, though I've not actually tested it. But my system audio devices showed up in the browser client as inputs, so that's a good sign that something is there. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UnpledgedCatnapTipper@piefed.blahaj.zone 14 points 6 months ago (2 children) I've been following Stoat, their documentation states that self hosted voice channels don't work (I think their official server does though), and also you have to recompile their client software to hard code the link to your server. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Coldcell@sh.itjust.works 22 points 6 months ago* (1 child) That feels so much like niche coder hobbyist hurdles that I really doubt people en masse would make the switch by themselves. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnpledgedCatnapTipper@piefed.blahaj.zone 6 points 6 months ago Yeah I'm really hoping they just add a button in the client to connect to a custom server (like how Bitwarden works), as well as actually update the self hosting images and instructions. I've been keeping tabs on them for almost a year now, and still no progress on that front. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Feyd@programming.dev 7 points 6 months ago Oh yeesh. Sounds like it's got a good way to go before regular use becomes viable permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Coldcell@sh.itjust.works 22 points 6 months ago* (1 child) That feels so much like niche coder hobbyist hurdles that I really doubt people en masse would make the switch by themselves. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnpledgedCatnapTipper@piefed.blahaj.zone 6 points 6 months ago Yeah I'm really hoping they just add a button in the client to connect to a custom server (like how Bitwarden works), as well as actually update the self hosting images and instructions. I've been keeping tabs on them for almost a year now, and still no progress on that front. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UnpledgedCatnapTipper@piefed.blahaj.zone 6 points 6 months ago Yeah I'm really hoping they just add a button in the client to connect to a custom server (like how Bitwarden works), as well as actually update the self hosting images and instructions. I've been keeping tabs on them for almost a year now, and still no progress on that front. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Feyd@programming.dev 7 points 6 months ago Oh yeesh. Sounds like it's got a good way to go before regular use becomes viable permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 5 points 6 months ago Stoat seems to, though I've not actually tested it. But my system audio devices showed up in the browser client as inputs, so that's a good sign that something is there. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Turret3857@infosec.pub 5 points 6 months ago As someone else said, stoat isnt federated. It also doesnt have E2EE. Meaning in practice, you are still using a centralized service that can enshitify. You could self host, but your friends aren't going to switch to your small self hosted instance if everyone is on the central server. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 months ago (1 child) Or Matrix, which is federated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Telorand@reddthat.com -2 points 6 months ago (1 child) It's decentralized, not federated I thought...? Are there other services that use the Matrix protocol? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 months ago (1 child) Federated means that different servers can talk to each other and decentralized means that there is no server. There is also nothing stopping someone from using the Matrix protocol to create another service, though I don't know of one that exists. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fonix232@fedia.io 7 points 6 months ago (1 child) and decentralised means there is no server no, it means there's no central server. You still need a Matrix server to handle communications, but there's no "central matrix server", the servers discover each other based on a baked-in "known good" server list + ad-hoc discovery (e.g. if a server has a group chat with a member of a server your server doesn't know yet, and you join that group chat, your server and the unknown one exchange metadata and so on). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) You just described federation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fonix232@fedia.io 2 points 6 months ago No, this is called decentralisation. Federation would be the exchange of rules, policies, blocklists, etc., beyond the ability of servers to talk to each other. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Telorand@reddthat.com -2 points 6 months ago (1 child) It's decentralized, not federated I thought...? Are there other services that use the Matrix protocol? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 months ago (1 child) Federated means that different servers can talk to each other and decentralized means that there is no server. There is also nothing stopping someone from using the Matrix protocol to create another service, though I don't know of one that exists. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fonix232@fedia.io 7 points 6 months ago (1 child) and decentralised means there is no server no, it means there's no central server. You still need a Matrix server to handle communications, but there's no "central matrix server", the servers discover each other based on a baked-in "known good" server list + ad-hoc discovery (e.g. if a server has a group chat with a member of a server your server doesn't know yet, and you join that group chat, your server and the unknown one exchange metadata and so on). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) You just described federation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fonix232@fedia.io 2 points 6 months ago No, this is called decentralisation. Federation would be the exchange of rules, policies, blocklists, etc., beyond the ability of servers to talk to each other. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 months ago (1 child) Federated means that different servers can talk to each other and decentralized means that there is no server. There is also nothing stopping someone from using the Matrix protocol to create another service, though I don't know of one that exists. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fonix232@fedia.io 7 points 6 months ago (1 child) and decentralised means there is no server no, it means there's no central server. You still need a Matrix server to handle communications, but there's no "central matrix server", the servers discover each other based on a baked-in "known good" server list + ad-hoc discovery (e.g. if a server has a group chat with a member of a server your server doesn't know yet, and you join that group chat, your server and the unknown one exchange metadata and so on). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) You just described federation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fonix232@fedia.io 2 points 6 months ago No, this is called decentralisation. Federation would be the exchange of rules, policies, blocklists, etc., beyond the ability of servers to talk to each other. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fonix232@fedia.io 7 points 6 months ago (1 child) and decentralised means there is no server no, it means there's no central server. You still need a Matrix server to handle communications, but there's no "central matrix server", the servers discover each other based on a baked-in "known good" server list + ad-hoc discovery (e.g. if a server has a group chat with a member of a server your server doesn't know yet, and you join that group chat, your server and the unknown one exchange metadata and so on). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) You just described federation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fonix232@fedia.io 2 points 6 months ago No, this is called decentralisation. Federation would be the exchange of rules, policies, blocklists, etc., beyond the ability of servers to talk to each other. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) You just described federation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fonix232@fedia.io 2 points 6 months ago No, this is called decentralisation. Federation would be the exchange of rules, policies, blocklists, etc., beyond the ability of servers to talk to each other. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fonix232@fedia.io 2 points 6 months ago No, this is called decentralisation. Federation would be the exchange of rules, policies, blocklists, etc., beyond the ability of servers to talk to each other. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] k0e3@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) I tried to set one up but a bunch of people had trouble even signing up. I'm finding Element (Matrix) is less troublesome so far. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Telorand@reddthat.com 3 points 6 months ago That's good to know. I sincerely appreciate you sharing your experience permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 3 points 6 months ago That's good to know. I sincerely appreciate you sharing your experience permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CorrectAlias@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 6 months ago You can self host Teamspeak and the self hosted version at least has voice chat unlike Stoat. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fmstrat@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago Yea but there are FOSS options that even work with Discord bots and tools. permalink fedilink source parent