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Europe must stop โ€˜dreamingโ€™ about defence without US, Rutte warns (www.ft.com)
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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/42211261

Nato chief says continent cannot afford to replace American security umbrella

WTF Mark!

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[โ€“] 40 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Is this even for real? We are not doing it just for fun, it is a necessity forced on us by Trump using the USA security leverage against us to conquer territory.

What the fuck does he want us to do? Just roll over and do what Trump wants? On whose side is he? Because he is not on Europe's side.

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  • [โ€“] 14 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    On whose side is he? Because he is not on Europe's side.

    He is on Nato's side, which is like 60% US' side and 40% Europe's side. Those numbers could be a bit off considering Nato didn't have sides until recently.

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  • [โ€“] 7 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    That's what I am thinking. NATO is a USA centered alliance for looking after US interests. European interest happened to coincide with theirs for a long time, but clearly the USA is growing increasingly disinterested. Europeans should probably take over most of it, make it a Europe centered alliance.

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I was thinking we could keep the name if we focus on the north of the Atlantic, e.g. Greenland. Makes more sense to have loyal Canada as a member :)

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 6 months ago

    Yeah the Arctic and North Atlantic are important to Europe without a doubt. No name change needed, just Europe taking more initiative, leadership and becoming more central in the organization.

    Canada is a natural partner in the Arctic and North Atlantic. So is of course also the USA, but they cannot be trusted: (

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    He want Europe to start actually spending on defense so the US isnโ€™t required for NATO to be a threat.

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