▲ 1244 ▼ Anon questions modern society (lemmy.ml) submitted 11 months ago by destructdisc@lemmy.world to c/fuckcars@lemmy.world 162 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Unpigged@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 11 months ago (3 children) Modern American society, mind you permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] errer@lemmy.world 34 points 11 months ago (6 children) Even though the USA is clearly the worst, still almost all countries have about twice as many people driving as taking other forms of transit, and in many more, the majority. So the image applies to the majority of people in most countries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 7 points 11 months ago (1 child) Even the Netherlands. poster child of biking 😔 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JohnAnthony@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 11 months ago (1 child) I mean, 40% of the population biking to work is nothing to sneeze at, compared to the US's 6-or-so % permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 5 points 11 months ago It's huge, but it's still fewer bicyclists than car users. But, at 40% it means that bicyclists have a stake in every decision being made, and people will listen to them. Car drivers will probably still win more than their fair share of contests, but at least they're not unopposed. permalink fedilink source parent [–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 4 points 11 months ago (1 child) I wish the statistic include motorcycle/moped, then show the statistic from Asian country like Taiwan or Philippines or Malaysia, car and motorcycle have equal share on the road yet it still a fucking mess here(at least in Malaysia). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NoodlePoint@lemmy.world 1 point 11 months ago Most Asian countries are now on motorcycles of all sizes and even larger e-bikes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 months ago And for most of the countries that don't have a lot of cars, it's not because they've decided to invest in public transit and bike lanes, it's that people are poor and can't yet afford cars. Like, India and Brazil aren't places where people love public transit, they're poor. What happened to China is likely going to happen to them as they get richer. Even if the world switches over to electric vehicles that's still vast resources plowed into massively inefficient sofas on wheels. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Unpigged@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago Very anecdotal so feel free to disregard, but I've traveled across the whole Europe and haven't seen anything like that in the picture. Maybe the closest thing was a toll gateway somewhere in France where road widened up to about 20 booths. But then it immediately narrowed back to three. permalink fedilink source parent [–] freebee@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) If you add up the India bars, you're quite far away from 100 % still... Mass NEET is the answer I guess. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago Or mass feet. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PrimeMinisterKeyes@leminal.space -1 points 11 months ago* almost all countries have about twice as many people driving No country except the US, according to your own graphic. 67% or more of "Own car" is the criterion. Unless, of course, by "driving" you also mean motorbikes, boats etc. and there's a sizable portion of these in some countries. The graphic doesn't show that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] azimir@lemmy.ml 11 points 11 months ago (1 child) American society is 99% in on it, but many other places are trying to go there too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 9point6@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago We're mostly going the other way in Western Europe Not particularly quickly in most places, mind, but we're heading in the right direction on that at least permalink fedilink source parent [–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 2 points 11 months ago Modern US American society, mind you. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] errer@lemmy.world 34 points 11 months ago (6 children) Even though the USA is clearly the worst, still almost all countries have about twice as many people driving as taking other forms of transit, and in many more, the majority. So the image applies to the majority of people in most countries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 7 points 11 months ago (1 child) Even the Netherlands. poster child of biking 😔 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JohnAnthony@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 11 months ago (1 child) I mean, 40% of the population biking to work is nothing to sneeze at, compared to the US's 6-or-so % permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 5 points 11 months ago It's huge, but it's still fewer bicyclists than car users. But, at 40% it means that bicyclists have a stake in every decision being made, and people will listen to them. Car drivers will probably still win more than their fair share of contests, but at least they're not unopposed. permalink fedilink source parent [–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 4 points 11 months ago (1 child) I wish the statistic include motorcycle/moped, then show the statistic from Asian country like Taiwan or Philippines or Malaysia, car and motorcycle have equal share on the road yet it still a fucking mess here(at least in Malaysia). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NoodlePoint@lemmy.world 1 point 11 months ago Most Asian countries are now on motorcycles of all sizes and even larger e-bikes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 months ago And for most of the countries that don't have a lot of cars, it's not because they've decided to invest in public transit and bike lanes, it's that people are poor and can't yet afford cars. Like, India and Brazil aren't places where people love public transit, they're poor. What happened to China is likely going to happen to them as they get richer. Even if the world switches over to electric vehicles that's still vast resources plowed into massively inefficient sofas on wheels. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Unpigged@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago Very anecdotal so feel free to disregard, but I've traveled across the whole Europe and haven't seen anything like that in the picture. Maybe the closest thing was a toll gateway somewhere in France where road widened up to about 20 booths. But then it immediately narrowed back to three. permalink fedilink source parent [–] freebee@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) If you add up the India bars, you're quite far away from 100 % still... Mass NEET is the answer I guess. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago Or mass feet. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PrimeMinisterKeyes@leminal.space -1 points 11 months ago* almost all countries have about twice as many people driving No country except the US, according to your own graphic. 67% or more of "Own car" is the criterion. Unless, of course, by "driving" you also mean motorbikes, boats etc. and there's a sizable portion of these in some countries. The graphic doesn't show that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 7 points 11 months ago (1 child) Even the Netherlands. poster child of biking 😔 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JohnAnthony@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 11 months ago (1 child) I mean, 40% of the population biking to work is nothing to sneeze at, compared to the US's 6-or-so % permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 5 points 11 months ago It's huge, but it's still fewer bicyclists than car users. But, at 40% it means that bicyclists have a stake in every decision being made, and people will listen to them. Car drivers will probably still win more than their fair share of contests, but at least they're not unopposed. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JohnAnthony@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 11 months ago (1 child) I mean, 40% of the population biking to work is nothing to sneeze at, compared to the US's 6-or-so % permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 5 points 11 months ago It's huge, but it's still fewer bicyclists than car users. But, at 40% it means that bicyclists have a stake in every decision being made, and people will listen to them. Car drivers will probably still win more than their fair share of contests, but at least they're not unopposed. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 5 points 11 months ago It's huge, but it's still fewer bicyclists than car users. But, at 40% it means that bicyclists have a stake in every decision being made, and people will listen to them. Car drivers will probably still win more than their fair share of contests, but at least they're not unopposed. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 4 points 11 months ago (1 child) I wish the statistic include motorcycle/moped, then show the statistic from Asian country like Taiwan or Philippines or Malaysia, car and motorcycle have equal share on the road yet it still a fucking mess here(at least in Malaysia). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NoodlePoint@lemmy.world 1 point 11 months ago Most Asian countries are now on motorcycles of all sizes and even larger e-bikes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NoodlePoint@lemmy.world 1 point 11 months ago Most Asian countries are now on motorcycles of all sizes and even larger e-bikes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 months ago And for most of the countries that don't have a lot of cars, it's not because they've decided to invest in public transit and bike lanes, it's that people are poor and can't yet afford cars. Like, India and Brazil aren't places where people love public transit, they're poor. What happened to China is likely going to happen to them as they get richer. Even if the world switches over to electric vehicles that's still vast resources plowed into massively inefficient sofas on wheels. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Unpigged@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago Very anecdotal so feel free to disregard, but I've traveled across the whole Europe and haven't seen anything like that in the picture. Maybe the closest thing was a toll gateway somewhere in France where road widened up to about 20 booths. But then it immediately narrowed back to three. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] freebee@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) If you add up the India bars, you're quite far away from 100 % still... Mass NEET is the answer I guess. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago Or mass feet. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PrimeMinisterKeyes@leminal.space -1 points 11 months ago* almost all countries have about twice as many people driving No country except the US, according to your own graphic. 67% or more of "Own car" is the criterion. Unless, of course, by "driving" you also mean motorbikes, boats etc. and there's a sizable portion of these in some countries. The graphic doesn't show that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] azimir@lemmy.ml 11 points 11 months ago (1 child) American society is 99% in on it, but many other places are trying to go there too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 9point6@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago We're mostly going the other way in Western Europe Not particularly quickly in most places, mind, but we're heading in the right direction on that at least permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago We're mostly going the other way in Western Europe Not particularly quickly in most places, mind, but we're heading in the right direction on that at least permalink fedilink source parent
[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 2 points 11 months ago Modern US American society, mind you. permalink fedilink source parent
