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Every UK petition (lemmy.world)
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[–] 32 points 1 year ago (1 child)

If petitions (= begging) are the highest level of what people can do between two elections, something about the system is fundamentally broken.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Thats why guillotines exist.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    There's a few steps between begging and guillotines.

    But yes, politics exists on a spectrum.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Traditionally it's

    • Soap Box
    • Ballot Box
    • Jury Box
    • Ammo Box

    First you talk. Then you vote. Then you use the legal system. And if things are still broken, you use violence.

    I'm in the US so I can't speak for the UK specifically, but it does feel like the rise of fascism and consolidation of power into fewer and fewer people is a real problem that won't be fixed by asking nicely.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Things aren't getting worse in the UK, they're just staying exactly the same as they've always been.

    There are two parties and they're both basically identical to each other and they just keep swapping every decade or so. The Conservatives crash the economy, mostly due to piss-pour economic handling and welfare cuts, eventually everyone gets irritated with them and boots them out. Labour proceeds to blame the conservatives for the economic mess for the next 10 years, fail to really achieve anything of any significance due to the inevitable infighting (they've already started), and eventually lose power to the conservatives. Then the entire story mess repeats itself.

    You get five or six rounds of this and then all the current lot die and you replace them with a new bunch of idiots.

    Seriously this crap goes all the way back to the 1930s. We never get a break.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Like, gallows? Is gallows a step? Where do pitchforks come in?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I figure gallows and guillotines are in the same bucket. Pitchforks a step or two before that.

    I'm a little annoyed that General Strikes and other forms of economic deterrence aren't on the list. You'd be surprised how far you can get when you threaten the profit margin. A lot of these guys will cave in a matter of weeks when they realize they might not have the money for a new yacht.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Those would be great. 50501 is trying hard with the protests, but without media coverage they just get swallowed. And I can only think that strikes aren't happening because of a combination that the labor economy is shit, and because an astonishingly large number of union members are Trump supporters. You see this occasionally when union leadership, who knows better, clash with their members.

    I don't think violent revolution, if it breaks out, is going to be that so much as another civil war. The rich have learned from history, and are very effective at turning the classes against each other.

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