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[–] 31 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

My favorite part is when they lie to the president and Congress. Like, it's not enough that they do dogshit evil for the US government, they have to do dogshit evil against it as well? Is evil just the highest goal of the CIA? Is the agency just staffed with sociopaths?

... don't answer that, actually.

Letting the CIA develop a culture of criminality and invulnerability was a fucking mistake. Tear it down. Start over from the ground up.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Behind the Bastards podcast has taught me that we will never fix the culture, will only sometimes remove individuals, and it will always be shitty.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Hey now, just because it can't be fixed doesn't mean it can't be better. The CIA is at a special level of dogshit. They can be less evil.

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  • [+] 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    In theory, yes. In practice I can't imagine the political will exists to actually take down government-sanctioned criminal enterprises like the CIA. I think it would take something like a revolution to actually clean house at that level, and even that's a long shot because revolutions make things worse more often than not.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (12 children)

    Letting the CIA develop a culture of criminality and invulnerability was a fucking mistake. Tear it down. Start over from the ground up.

    Can that be done without negatively affecting their actual job of countering negative powers like Russia?

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago*

    Yes, absolutely. The culture of criminality and invulnerability is not even helpful to their job. Running drugs to fund black sites where they torture people for shits and giggles is not actually in any way vital to the purported functions of the CIA. More oversight would do them good.

    Unless you're asking if tearing it down and rebuilding it can be done without a period of reduced efficacy, in which case, no, that's a price that would have to be paid.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Just like Russia in Africa an around the world (and China more on the economic side)

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    Russia in Africa? If you want to make this argument do not forget, that the greatest neocolonialistic forces in Africa are European countries, France, UK etc

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Yes, but Russia doesn't do it for colonialism but world destabilization. China loans money to poor countries so to keep them indebted and dependent. """Communist""" countries nowadays really do suck. Capitalism is bad too but not at that level of bad.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    who were they doing it for, an-crap?

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Even Australia is not immune.

    (Not really, this is just a fun conspiracy theory with one of our most impactful PMs)

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It’s really not that wild of a theory.

    • The Australian government of the time was very left wing, doing things like creating universal healthcare and education.
    • Whitlam was threatening to shut down Pine Gap, the joint Australian-US spy station in the middle of Australia, and a key location for the CIA’s information gathering efforts in Asia.
    • The Governor-General of the time, John Kerr, had known ties to known CIA-backed organisations.
    • The US in the lead-up to the Dismissal appointed as its ambassador to Australia a man who has known connections to a coup in Indonesia, and he was also the ambassador to South Korea during a coup there.
    • Whitlam even threatened to reveal the identities of CIA agents in Australia.
    • A US military contractor has spoken out and said that the CIA internally referred to the Governor General as "our man Kerr".

    The US had many clear motives for wanting this. They had the means thanks to Kerr. And they were afforded the opportunity by the Senate deadlock. There are certainly a few reasons to say otherwise, but at the very least it’s impossible to dismiss the theory as crackpot.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Gough Whitlam

    He was responsible for introducing universal healthcare and free university in Australia.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    TIL, thanks!

    And probably why there's a band called "The Whitlams?"

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    Yup. Here's a snippet from their Wikipedia page:

    Freedman named the band after the former Prime Minister of Australia, Gough Whitlam, although Plunder had sought to call themselves, 'The Three Nice Boys'. According to Freedman "I loved the family names—the Smiths, the Reivers. I thought, the Whitlams, no-one's done that. I'll be able to steal all the goodwill that Australia holds in reserve for Gough Whitlam."

    Also, if you didn't see it already, there are actually a lot of really good reasons to suspect US involvement in the event that has come to be known as "The Dismissal". A brief explanation of some of them are in another comment further up the page.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    Looks over at Pakistan army getting bribed for the nth time to remove the government

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