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[–] itscozydownhere@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Just like Russia in Africa an around the world (and China more on the economic side) permalink fedilink source hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sh3Rm4n@feddit.de 7 points 2 years ago (4 children) Russia in Africa? If you want to make this argument do not forget, that the greatest neocolonialistic forces in Africa are European countries, France, UK etc permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] itscozydownhere@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) Yes, but Russia doesn't do it for colonialism but world destabilization. China loans money to poor countries so to keep them indebted and dependent. """Communist""" countries nowadays really do suck. Capitalism is bad too but not at that level of bad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] itscozydownhere@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago I agree with you, well put permalink fedilink source parent [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) You really need to check out the history of coloialism. There's a lot of it and most of it is horrifying. Western countries have done every bad thing Russia and China are doing, and worse. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] itscozydownhere@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Oh I know that, there’s no denying it permalink fedilink source parent [–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Russia in a European country permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago Stop, next you'll say they're not an anti-imperialist force /s permalink fedilink source parent [–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago Ehh, china would like a word about Africa. permalink fedilink source parent [–] jackoid@lemm.ee -5 points 2 years ago (2 children) China unironically has been more helpful to African development in the past few decades than Europe in the past few centuries. Mostly because China wants Africa to be turned into a prosperous region and serve as customers to China meanwhile the west has been focused on wealth extraction from day one. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] itscozydownhere@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) https://apnews.com/article/china-debt-banking-loans-financial-developing-countries-collapse-8df6f9fac3e1e758d0e6d8d5dfbd3ed6 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jackoid@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) This article just ignores non Chinese debt though? Which form the larger share in Pakistan. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_of_Pakistan#:~:text=About%2015%25%20of%20the%20external,expected%20to%20provide%20additional%20support And for Sri Lanka, China has offered relief which also led to the IMF also negotiating debt relief with Sri Lanka. https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/china-reiterates-support-for-sri-lankas-debt-relief-ahead-of-crucial-imf-review/article67205470.ece I agree with Zambia, the Chinese didn't play nicely there and acted quite hawkishly. But they did restructure the debt in June when western lenders agreed to do the same. https://www.wsj.com/articles/zambia-reaches-watershed-deal-on-china-debt-2392593a Also read. https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2021/02/china-debt-trap-diplomacy/617953/&ved=2ahUKEwivnvGrx6CBAxXeSGwGHQvBAUsQFnoECBwQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2qJ4QHCHowToj-iq2Irs9y Also your article doesn't really talk about events that lead to the economies of Pakistan and Sri Lanka ( Countrywide floods and covid killing tourism respectively) crashing and implies that it's entirely china's fault. I think they are quite important when talking about dying economies. Also would like to add that this still doesn't compare to European Colonialism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] itscozydownhere@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Agreed. Wasn’t meaning to be exhaustive, just challenge a bit the china is good theme permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zoboomafoo@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Mostly because China wants Africa to be turned into a prosperous region and serve as customers to China permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sh3Rm4n@feddit.de 7 points 2 years ago (4 children) Russia in Africa? If you want to make this argument do not forget, that the greatest neocolonialistic forces in Africa are European countries, France, UK etc permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] itscozydownhere@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) Yes, but Russia doesn't do it for colonialism but world destabilization. China loans money to poor countries so to keep them indebted and dependent. """Communist""" countries nowadays really do suck. Capitalism is bad too but not at that level of bad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] itscozydownhere@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago I agree with you, well put permalink fedilink source parent [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) You really need to check out the history of coloialism. There's a lot of it and most of it is horrifying. Western countries have done every bad thing Russia and China are doing, and worse. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] itscozydownhere@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Oh I know that, there’s no denying it permalink fedilink source parent [–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Russia in a European country permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago Stop, next you'll say they're not an anti-imperialist force /s permalink fedilink source parent [–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago Ehh, china would like a word about Africa. permalink fedilink source parent [–] jackoid@lemm.ee -5 points 2 years ago (2 children) China unironically has been more helpful to African development in the past few decades than Europe in the past few centuries. Mostly because China wants Africa to be turned into a prosperous region and serve as customers to China meanwhile the west has been focused on wealth extraction from day one. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] itscozydownhere@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) https://apnews.com/article/china-debt-banking-loans-financial-developing-countries-collapse-8df6f9fac3e1e758d0e6d8d5dfbd3ed6 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jackoid@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) This article just ignores non Chinese debt though? Which form the larger share in Pakistan. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_of_Pakistan#:~:text=About%2015%25%20of%20the%20external,expected%20to%20provide%20additional%20support And for Sri Lanka, China has offered relief which also led to the IMF also negotiating debt relief with Sri Lanka. https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/china-reiterates-support-for-sri-lankas-debt-relief-ahead-of-crucial-imf-review/article67205470.ece I agree with Zambia, the Chinese didn't play nicely there and acted quite hawkishly. But they did restructure the debt in June when western lenders agreed to do the same. https://www.wsj.com/articles/zambia-reaches-watershed-deal-on-china-debt-2392593a Also read. https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2021/02/china-debt-trap-diplomacy/617953/&ved=2ahUKEwivnvGrx6CBAxXeSGwGHQvBAUsQFnoECBwQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2qJ4QHCHowToj-iq2Irs9y Also your article doesn't really talk about events that lead to the economies of Pakistan and Sri Lanka ( Countrywide floods and covid killing tourism respectively) crashing and implies that it's entirely china's fault. I think they are quite important when talking about dying economies. Also would like to add that this still doesn't compare to European Colonialism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] itscozydownhere@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Agreed. Wasn’t meaning to be exhaustive, just challenge a bit the china is good theme permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zoboomafoo@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Mostly because China wants Africa to be turned into a prosperous region and serve as customers to China permalink fedilink source parent
[–] itscozydownhere@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) Yes, but Russia doesn't do it for colonialism but world destabilization. China loans money to poor countries so to keep them indebted and dependent. """Communist""" countries nowadays really do suck. Capitalism is bad too but not at that level of bad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] itscozydownhere@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago I agree with you, well put permalink fedilink source parent [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) You really need to check out the history of coloialism. There's a lot of it and most of it is horrifying. Western countries have done every bad thing Russia and China are doing, and worse. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] itscozydownhere@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Oh I know that, there’s no denying it permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] itscozydownhere@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago I agree with you, well put permalink fedilink source parent
[–] itscozydownhere@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago I agree with you, well put permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) You really need to check out the history of coloialism. There's a lot of it and most of it is horrifying. Western countries have done every bad thing Russia and China are doing, and worse. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] itscozydownhere@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Oh I know that, there’s no denying it permalink fedilink source parent
[–] itscozydownhere@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Oh I know that, there’s no denying it permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Russia in a European country permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago Stop, next you'll say they're not an anti-imperialist force /s permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago Stop, next you'll say they're not an anti-imperialist force /s permalink fedilink source parent
[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago Ehh, china would like a word about Africa. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jackoid@lemm.ee -5 points 2 years ago (2 children) China unironically has been more helpful to African development in the past few decades than Europe in the past few centuries. Mostly because China wants Africa to be turned into a prosperous region and serve as customers to China meanwhile the west has been focused on wealth extraction from day one. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] itscozydownhere@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) https://apnews.com/article/china-debt-banking-loans-financial-developing-countries-collapse-8df6f9fac3e1e758d0e6d8d5dfbd3ed6 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jackoid@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) This article just ignores non Chinese debt though? Which form the larger share in Pakistan. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_of_Pakistan#:~:text=About%2015%25%20of%20the%20external,expected%20to%20provide%20additional%20support And for Sri Lanka, China has offered relief which also led to the IMF also negotiating debt relief with Sri Lanka. https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/china-reiterates-support-for-sri-lankas-debt-relief-ahead-of-crucial-imf-review/article67205470.ece I agree with Zambia, the Chinese didn't play nicely there and acted quite hawkishly. But they did restructure the debt in June when western lenders agreed to do the same. https://www.wsj.com/articles/zambia-reaches-watershed-deal-on-china-debt-2392593a Also read. https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2021/02/china-debt-trap-diplomacy/617953/&ved=2ahUKEwivnvGrx6CBAxXeSGwGHQvBAUsQFnoECBwQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2qJ4QHCHowToj-iq2Irs9y Also your article doesn't really talk about events that lead to the economies of Pakistan and Sri Lanka ( Countrywide floods and covid killing tourism respectively) crashing and implies that it's entirely china's fault. I think they are quite important when talking about dying economies. Also would like to add that this still doesn't compare to European Colonialism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] itscozydownhere@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Agreed. Wasn’t meaning to be exhaustive, just challenge a bit the china is good theme permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zoboomafoo@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Mostly because China wants Africa to be turned into a prosperous region and serve as customers to China permalink fedilink source parent
[–] itscozydownhere@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) https://apnews.com/article/china-debt-banking-loans-financial-developing-countries-collapse-8df6f9fac3e1e758d0e6d8d5dfbd3ed6 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jackoid@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) This article just ignores non Chinese debt though? Which form the larger share in Pakistan. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_of_Pakistan#:~:text=About%2015%25%20of%20the%20external,expected%20to%20provide%20additional%20support And for Sri Lanka, China has offered relief which also led to the IMF also negotiating debt relief with Sri Lanka. https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/china-reiterates-support-for-sri-lankas-debt-relief-ahead-of-crucial-imf-review/article67205470.ece I agree with Zambia, the Chinese didn't play nicely there and acted quite hawkishly. But they did restructure the debt in June when western lenders agreed to do the same. https://www.wsj.com/articles/zambia-reaches-watershed-deal-on-china-debt-2392593a Also read. https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2021/02/china-debt-trap-diplomacy/617953/&ved=2ahUKEwivnvGrx6CBAxXeSGwGHQvBAUsQFnoECBwQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2qJ4QHCHowToj-iq2Irs9y Also your article doesn't really talk about events that lead to the economies of Pakistan and Sri Lanka ( Countrywide floods and covid killing tourism respectively) crashing and implies that it's entirely china's fault. I think they are quite important when talking about dying economies. Also would like to add that this still doesn't compare to European Colonialism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] itscozydownhere@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Agreed. Wasn’t meaning to be exhaustive, just challenge a bit the china is good theme permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jackoid@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) This article just ignores non Chinese debt though? Which form the larger share in Pakistan. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_of_Pakistan#:~:text=About%2015%25%20of%20the%20external,expected%20to%20provide%20additional%20support And for Sri Lanka, China has offered relief which also led to the IMF also negotiating debt relief with Sri Lanka. https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/china-reiterates-support-for-sri-lankas-debt-relief-ahead-of-crucial-imf-review/article67205470.ece I agree with Zambia, the Chinese didn't play nicely there and acted quite hawkishly. But they did restructure the debt in June when western lenders agreed to do the same. https://www.wsj.com/articles/zambia-reaches-watershed-deal-on-china-debt-2392593a Also read. https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2021/02/china-debt-trap-diplomacy/617953/&ved=2ahUKEwivnvGrx6CBAxXeSGwGHQvBAUsQFnoECBwQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2qJ4QHCHowToj-iq2Irs9y Also your article doesn't really talk about events that lead to the economies of Pakistan and Sri Lanka ( Countrywide floods and covid killing tourism respectively) crashing and implies that it's entirely china's fault. I think they are quite important when talking about dying economies. Also would like to add that this still doesn't compare to European Colonialism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] itscozydownhere@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Agreed. Wasn’t meaning to be exhaustive, just challenge a bit the china is good theme permalink fedilink source parent
[–] itscozydownhere@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Agreed. Wasn’t meaning to be exhaustive, just challenge a bit the china is good theme permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zoboomafoo@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Mostly because China wants Africa to be turned into a prosperous region and serve as customers to China permalink fedilink source parent
