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[–] 163 points 2 years ago (2 children)

They will just enable it by default later when the heat passes. They always do. You no longer own Windows.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Never did. It's just more and more obvious with each new "feature" that it's built for monetization, not for user functionality.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago

    In the '90s and early 2000s, Microsoft's business model was the classic one of selling products to customers. Today, it's all about the cloud, advertising, and AI, where the product is the user.

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  • [–] 90 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    “The ability to disable the…feature during the setup process…” does not mean opt in, that means opt out.

    Knowing windows setup, you need to click customize during the setup process and then go through several setup pages before you’re presented this option (or have to dig into additional/advanced settings to find it).

    Most people won’t do this, won’t know how to do this, or will receive the pc with the initial setup complete and won’t know if this is on or off.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    This is the screen the user is presented during setup.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Even without all the invasion of privacy implications, I'm skeptical it would even work. Source: 20 years of "Windows is checking for a solution to the problem" that has never worked even once.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    There is a screenshot of the opt-in screen in the article. There is no default, just two buttons to say yes or no.

    I swear, outrage should only be allowed based on the amount of work one is willing to put in before expressing it. If you don't do the reading, you don't get to be publicly angry. It'd save us all so much trouble.

    For the record, the feature was always optional, as per the original announcement. Presumably the change is it is now part of the setup flow where it was going to be a settings toggle instead.

    Which is, incidentally, how this used to work the first time Windows had this feature, back when it was called "Timeline" in Windows 10.

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    [–] 58 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    Ok, let's assume (for the sake of argument) that everything is on the up-and-up, and Microsoft will behave in a completely equitable and user-friendly way with regard to this feature going forward. Where does that leave us?

    There is a spyware feature built into Windows 11. It is off by default, but a malware that wants to capture this kind of information doesn't have to install anything, and it doesn't have to run any background processes that might get caught by a system monitor or blocked by application whitelisting. All it has to do is turn this built-in feature on, and then exfiltrate the data later.

    Setting this off by default doesn't remove the security issue.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    Ok, let's assume (for the sake of argument) that everything is on the up-and-up, and Microsoft will behave in a completely equitable and user-friendly way with regard to this feature going forward

    This is so fantastical that there's no point in even having the hypothetical discussion about it.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You're right, it's fantastical, but it's still worth talking about.

    It's worth talking about as it solidifies the argument more than just assuming your opponent is acting poorly. The argument of "Even if Microsoft is a saint, it's still a bad idea. But we know Microsoft also has a history of data collection, spying, anti-patterns etc." is a much stronger argument than the latter half on its own

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  • [–] 49 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

    They're just going to do a classical boil-the-frog operation:

    • Step 1: Make it opt-in and present it as the new cool thing.
    • Step 2: Make it opt-out, and if the users opts out, show a scary warning about how the cool thing won't work anymore.
    • Step 3: Silently opt-in, and hide the opt-out option deeply in a settings menu.
    • Step 4: Silently opt-in, remove opt-out, but it still works with a registry hack. Microsoft apologists will still thinks it's cool because "just use this simple registry hack bro".
    • Step 5: Remove opt-out alltogether, and silently opt-in everyone who had previously opted out.
    • Step 6: Enjoy their boiled frog!
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    [–] 40 points 2 years ago

    Still in the os...

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  • [–] 38 points 2 years ago (1 child)
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    I still don't trust Microsoft. I hadn't bought a Windows since Windows 10, and this won't change that.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    WHY THE FUCK WOULD SOMEONE WILLINGLY OPT IN?!

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  • [–] 29 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Cause they're going to show a pop-up that advertises some "cool new feature", and the 99% of users who aren't tech literate will say yes and never think about it again.

    People on this site severely overestimate how much the average person cares and their overall level of tech.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 2 years ago*

    Because they'll add it to the list of coercively and deceptively worded questions they force you to answer before you can use a WIndows account, phrase it so as to sound useful and harmless, and have a big friendly "Sounds great!" button and a tiny "No thanks, I prefer my life to be shit" link.

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  • [+] 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)
    [–] 19 points 2 years ago

    Until they flip the setting by themselves because ms tend to do that

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago

    ...says the company that wanted to destroy every bit of your privacy. I don't care what they "promise", don't listen to them.

    Microsoft is finished. Install Linux.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago*

    Lies but ok.

    I'm sure it's corporate speak for 'unless you opt into opting out of Microsoft recording everything's

    I have zero reason to trust companies who are known to not be trust worthy.

    And who's to say they don't have this 'opt in' setting enabled for a week then upon the first update, whoops...it was auto enabled for everyone 'sorry...you must not out now and sorry not sorry but we already stole everything. See y'all next update!'

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    They use dark patterns and cryptic dialog boxes to get old people to opt in.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago

    If it's an embedded feature, then I categorically refuse to trust that I the user will have sole control over the on/off toggle.

    I am basing my suspicions on Microsoft fucking around with my user settings over several decades and Windows iterations.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago

    Microsoft will just enable it via an update once all the fervor dies down. They haven’t abandoned the plan, and won’t, not while your data is pure profit for them.

    Hell with them, no more Windows PCs in my home. I’m sick to death of everyone and their mother trying to both advertise to me and sell my data without my permission and at zero benefit to me.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Do they really think we believe any of their lies? We don't control Windows, anti-libre software (it fails to include a libre software license text file, like AGPL). Dangerous! 🚩

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    [–] 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    No one is going to opt-in to having screenshots taken of their activities on the OS. If no one opts-in then it will hinder Microsoft's original plan of collection such data for copilot. Along comes the new marketing language to soften the approach and they still collect data.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    No one would opt-in to having all of their personal files sent to the cloud. But Windows managed to get my father using OneDrive even though he had no idea what it was. He was absolutely pissed when I told him. Somehow that wasn't enough to get off of windows completely though.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I feel like if browser history was invented today people would have the same reaction to it.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Browser history was implemented before companies massively abused privacy.
    It was an honest feature for users.
    We also learned a lot about security regarding password/credential extraction from browsers.

    Windows Recall might be an honest feature. It might be super secure and really useful.
    But Microsoft doesn't have the trust to pull this off

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    [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    Microsoft speaks.... thhhhe bullllshitttt -lazlo voice

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    *Windows won’t take screenshots of everything you do after all (that the company will admit to without you knowing)— unless you opt in

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  • [–] [B] 3 points 2 years ago

    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    Microsoft had originally planned to turn Recall on by default, but the company now says it will offer the ability to disable the controversial AI-powered feature during the setup process of new Copilot Plus PCs.

    Recall uses local AI models to screenshot mostly everything you see or do on your computer and then give you the ability to search and retrieve anything in seconds.

    Everything in Recall is designed to remain local and private on-device, so no data is used to train Microsoft’s AI models.

    TotalRecall extracts the Recall database so you can easily view what text is stored and the screenshots that Microsoft’s feature has generated.

    “In some cases, this will mean prioritizing security above other things we do, such as releasing new features or providing ongoing support for legacy systems.”

    Davuluri references Microsoft’s SFI principles in today’s response, noting that the company is taking action to improve Recall security.


    The original article contains 747 words, the summary contains 151 words. Saved 80%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!

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