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[–] 169 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Im almost positive that Andrew Wakefield has caused more harm to modern medicine than any other person in the last 200 years.

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  • [–] 80 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    His human megaphone, Jenny McCarthy, isn’t much better. No one heard of him before she advocated for his findings to be mainstream.

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  • [–] 40 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    Don't forget Oprah who amplified the idea more than they ever could have done on their own

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  • [–] 94 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Lol jokes on you. I already have autism. So, vaccines just make me stronger.

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  • [+] 33 points 2 years ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (13 children)
  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I tried to think of a witty response to your funny joke but I'm apparently too tired for that, so instead, I'll wish you good luck for next week, and the weeks that follow it; getting a diagnosis as an adult is often cathartic in the short term, liberatory in the long term, and in between those points is a long period of introspective untangling a web of messy feelings and possibly internalised ableism. I wish you the strength to endure and to emerge with a better understanding of who you are, regardless of the outcome of the assessment.

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    [–] 79 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    There’s a correlation between wearing socks and athlete’s foot. Socks cause athletes foot, clearly, and so we shouldn’t wear socks when wearing shoes.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Amen, brother! I have long freed my feet from the prison that is the sock!

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    [–] 70 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It's because there is no punishment for spreading false information. These cunt celebrities and politicians spread their fucking lies and if they are found out, they make an empty apology that reaches 1% of the people that they lied to, and it's all forgive and forget. Fuck all of that. Every anti-vax, anti-mask, anti-education cunt out there needs to be strung up from the societal rafters. They have to be made an example of. At the bare minimum they should be doing tours helping to correct the lies they have spread, spending time on social media and running commercials like fucking community service hours. There has to be a punishment for this shit.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I’m curious as to how that law would be written and what it would look like in practice.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Ideally, you wouldn't have to write a law for it, and the people would be held accountable by others. That's a BIG wish, though, and I'm a realist--it'll never happen. Instead, if it were written into law, it would have to be done the same ways that libel and slander laws are written, and there would have to be a criminal trial for it. I understand that up front that seems like a lot of extra work for the courts, but if the punishments were severe enough, then hopefully we would see an outright reduction on it.

    Some precedent for it would be libel laws as previously stated, false advertising laws, and public health laws like what Germany has instituted (NetzDG) that required social media to remove false health information within 24 hours.

    And just to make it clear, I don't want to infringe on anyone's right to free speech, but just like libel and slander laws, when that free speech damages others, then it has to be curbed. The scientific evidence is there for things like the mask mandate and the efficacy of vaccines, we just have to prove it in court and punish those who are guilty of spreading that false information.

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  • [–] 63 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    I'm collecting vaccines like infinity stones. I'm going to unlock complete autism.

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    [–] 48 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    hbomberguy did a fantastic video debunking these claims. Now if only the antivaxxers would actually watch it instead of staying in their own bubbles.

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    [–] 43 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    So, the universe is like a video game but the lesson is morality. Long story short, i have met the antivaxers and i understand. They are dishonest people. I dated their daughter. They will not listen because they're arrogant. They will face horrors until they learn their lesson. The point is, this is a morality problem, not an education problem. Nothing will save them but their own misery you're honestly trying to prevent.

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    [–] 34 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    Can we convince people that Andrew Wakefield, Jenny McCarthy and RFK, Jr. cause autism?

    (I don't believe there's anything actually wrong with being autistic, I have multiple autistic people in my family. I just think that would be amusing.)

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    [–] 32 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    I don't care if these anti vax idiots kill themselves, I care that they are killing people with weakened immune systems or children that are either too young to get them or they didn't vaccinate them. This is all 100% the fault tRump and Russian propaganda, it's sad soo many fall for it.

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    [–] 22 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    All the information available to us now and yet all people care about is if someone the Internet likes them.

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    [–] 20 points 2 years ago* (14 children)

    We run into a few interesting possibilities here. Start with the assumption that more children are being diagnosed as being on the autism spectrum. That gives us a few possibilities.

    1. Because there's more and better screening autism spectrum disorder (ASD) is being caught more often. Okay, maybe. But.

    1.a) If more children are being appropriately diagnosed with ASD, then perhaps the criteria needs to be tightened up; at a certain point, behavior/feelings/thoughts are just normal.

    1. Because there's more screening--but not necessarily better screening--children are being pathologized as having ASD when they do not, because too many clinicians don't have the necessary expertise. This is a distinct possibility, in much the same way that kids are being labelled as having ADD/ADHD--and then getting drugs--when they're more frequently just being kids.

    2. More children are actually on the autism spectrum now than there were 30 years ago. E.g., it's not that more kids slipped through the cracks 30 years ago, but there is actually a higher rate of ASD than there was 30 years ago. This is the one that should cause the most concern; if this is actually the case, and can be demonstrated to be the case, then what factor is causing this maladaption?

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Agree on the better testing for ASD. According to the CDC, autism rates have doubled from the year 2000(1 in 68, vs 1 in 150).

    The consensus is that ASD is mostly genetic, however, there is some research going into other causes of autism, such environmental/biological causes. Personally, I think growing up with modern technology(kids being raised by YouTube/TikTok) impacts brain development/connections, so there are people with symptoms of ASD that otherwise would be "normal"

    The issue with diagnoses like this is that you arrive to the conclusion by looking at the symptoms. And there's a lot of fucked up things going on right now that could cause more and more people to show symptoms.

    i've worked on building better habits such as exercise, maintaining social connections, and working through my emotions instead of repressing them, and I've noticed that many symptoms that I used to associate with ASD were really depression. Like some sort of coping, catatonic state. I'd imagine that with mental health being what it is, there's probably a lot of people similar to me. Surprise, did you know ASD is far more common in males? 1 in 42, vs 1 in 189, for females.

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    [–] 19 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Can I have the smart autism please

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago

    Only if you're smart anyway since autistic people have the whole distribution of capability represented. Then being smart isn't enough. You also have to be resilient, lucky, and privileged (not enough systemic factors outside of systemic ableism to wash you out in a psychological and logistical pincer attack), and also lucky again to get past the many societal filters that block most autistic success and create the illusion of some unicorn like uniqueness in all visible versions of autistic success.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago

    Sure, make sure to go back in time so that you aren't overestimulated in your environment, don't get bullied until you suffer an anxiety disorder, and have someone inspire interest in you for something capitalist society pays well for.

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    [–] 17 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    And the tech school I got a degree from now hosts courses on "Reiki healing" and "Crystal healing". America is fucking doomed.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    duh...they cause magnetism not autism. /s

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    [–] 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    One of my high school acquaintances posted on Facebook that Peppa the Pig causes autism.
    I like that conspiracy theory much better, despite how illogical it is that watching a cartoon pig can cause a neurological disorder.

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    [–] 14 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    ... but you know what will eventually die? People who do not believe in vaccines

    Too bad they will take many with them because of their wilful ignorance... but eventually the problem will correct itself

    Someday I hope to live in a society where confidently saying something idiotic is shameful as crapping your pants in public or realizing you have a bugger hanging off your nostril

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    [–] 11 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Just give the option to be injected with a vaccine or with chlorine. Watch the numbers drop spectacularly.

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