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[–] 99 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Because english is just semi random noises

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  • [–] 54 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

    Ghoti

    Gh (f) as in enough,

    O (í) as in women,

    TI (sh) as in motion

    Pronounced: Fish

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  • [–] 32 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    So, this is both fascinating and remarkably simple once you learn some basics about how spoken language evolves.

    Let's start here: say "woman" out loud. Now, say it again, and this time pay attention to your tongue. When you said "woman," did you pronounce the "o" sound at the front of your mouth, higher in your mouth, and the "a" at the back, lower in your mouth?

    Now try this. Say "women," again paying close attention to where the vowel sounds come from in your mouth. First pronounce "women" as it is written- kind of like "woah men." Do you feel how much more work that requires that pronouncing "woman" does? Now, pronounce "women" as you naturally do. Assuming you are in North America, this probably sounds a bit like "wimmin."

    Probably, this "wimmin" pronunciation feels easier and more natural. This is largely because those vowel sounds originate in roughly the same area. When a word has multiple vowel sounds and they move from front to back or top to bottom, there's a good chance we will naturally shift towards an easier pronunciation.

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    [–] 24 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Wait there are people who pronounce women with an i?

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  • [–] 30 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yes? English is only my second language, but the way I hear it:

    Woman: Whoman

    Women: Wimin or Wimen

    The latter is much shorter.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Am I the only one who pronounces them both with an I sound

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Are the two obviously differentiated like that?

    In most of the American English accents I’m familiar with, they’re pronounced “WI men” and “WŌ man.”

    If I try to sound out using an I in both, the only way they sound different to me is if I move the accent to the final syllable, to mane it stand out. Something like “wi MEN” vs “wi MAN.”

    If so, I’d love to hear where you’re from.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    From Ohio, and they aren't differntiated at all I just pronounce them the same (although I was mistaken about which part of the word the meme was referencing, I still pronounce both with an o/u sound at the beginning)

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Accents matter. It sounds like "vho-men" when I say it.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    English not being my first language, I can relate to that thought 😅

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    When I started learning English I pronounced woman as woh-man. Good times

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    Lol, there was a joke about "woh-men" in the game Disco Elysium, if I'm not mistaken. But the game only tells you "the world is in danger from the mysterious Wo-men". Maybe some players never realised it critisized sexism?

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago*

    I think it's a matter of accent and Dialekt. I pronounce both the same🤷

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago

    It was originally wifman and over time mutated to women, the I sound is vestigial of the old spelling.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Wait people pronounce them differently. I've been saying it the same way.😭

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    [+] 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago

    We probably just nicked the words from different languages.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago

    Also correct if he's thinking about cute dogs / cats / other animals that have more than 1 female in the group.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    for the love of God please someone google what a schwa is before replying

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    For the love of God are you referring to the first or second vowel? People seem to think OP is talking about the second

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    I was just shitposting while high. but the real question isn't "why are they pronounced differently?" but "why are they written the same?"

    Woman is an ellison of wīfmann

    Man is an abbreviation of wermann

    "Mann" meaning "human" and wīf/wer meaning "female/male"

    No one asks why "man and men" are pronounced differently, and it's likely we'd have "wermann / wermen" pronounced "wur-man" and "wier-men" if we'd kept the distinction.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)
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