Why do neo Nazis need to overwhelm the police system. They’re often the same guys.
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So these are the people that JKR and friends have been calling to action. Not surprised, the TERF to Nazi pipeline is nothing new.
Anonymous complaints are a terrible idea. No wlnder this has been targetted
Anonymous complaints are a good thing, it’s often important to be able to report something non-publicly. It’s just being exploited here.
The fact that this system can be exploited by neo Nazis should tell you that it can be exploited by anyone. Including the cops who will be investigating these complaints.
Non-public and anonymous are not the same thing. I don't know about your jurisdiction but when you file a criminal complaint police do take down your name and address, if you're worried about retaliation or such there's ways to have all public records under a pseudonym and e.g. your lawyer's address, but the state will still know who you actually are.
You can also give an anonymous tip to the police -- but those don't ever reach the level of complaint. Police and prosecutors can toss such a statement without much fanfare, even if they don't they can't follow-up with questions, you're way less credible as a witness, especially since you can't be nailed for false accusation, at least not without investigators hunting you down. You can't file an accessory suit (that is, be a co-prosecutor) because courts definitely don't deal with anonymous people, if they anonymise the public record then because they think it's the right thing to do to serve justice, not because you don't want to show your face to at least the judge(s).
Fuck that noise. ACAB.
I agree ACAB, that’s why anonymous complaints are a good thing. That way the cops can’t easily retaliate on you if you report a neo-nazi threat you saw on Facebook and it turns out to be their buddy
What is this scenario are you creating in your head? Since when do police do anything about Facebook?
Yeah man I think police are on the whole stupid bastards but I still think if you reported seeing a post from a neo nazi saying he’s going to burn down the local gay bar on Facebook they’d still look into it
Link to me this happening once in the US.
Once… what is happening in this US?
Are you not aware that people are punished / investigated for social media postings every single day? This is really not hidden news man lol
Then it should be easy for you to find me one instance of the police responding to an post on facebook in the US.
Ok. Sure.
https://criminaldefensetucson.com/people-whose-social-media-posts-got-them-arrested/
I found that in about thirty seconds of googling.
Are you like… do you not read the news much man…? This is like if you got confused because you had never heard of a shooting taking place at a school before
Robert Card, who was wanted in connection with the Oct. 25 shootings at a bowling alley and bar that killed 18 people and wounded 13, was found dead Oct. 27.
Link number 2 talks about Twitter.
Link 3 doesn't mention any details at all.
You're stretching. Just admit you're wrong.
I’m not kidding dude you might be genuinely schizophrenic.
https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/18/facebook-comments-arrest-prosecution
https://www.businessinsider.com/people-arrested-for-facebook-posts-2013-7?amp
The law is fucked. Way too vague and ripe for abuse.
Even that thread shows how that system is ripe for abuse:
"If a hate crime is reported to the police and following investigation no criminality is established, it will be recorded as a “hate incident”, although this is now being reviewed by the police. Hate incidents are not recorded against alleged perpetrators, but their names appear in the police files for the complainant.
Under Police Scotland’s enhanced disclosure programme, prospective employers can request criminal history information on any person including: unspent convictions, relevant spent convictions, unspent cautions, inclusion on children’s or adults’ lists, information from the sex offenders register, and other relevant information held by the police. This final category would include non-crime hate incidents, meaning they could be disclosed to employers."
Reports not substantiated will be filed as hate incidents.
Hate incidents can be included on the records requested by employers, as it is relevant information held by the police.
I'm not sure what you're not understanding.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The leader of a far-right group – one of several fringe organisations being assessed by the UK government under its new extremism definition – promoted a private channel on the encrypted messaging app Telegram that includes a “call to action” urging members to “mass report”.
Critics also claim the law will stifle free speech, with high-profile figures including JK Rowling, Joe Rogan and Elon Musk among those to have publicly attacked it.
After Holyrood minister Siobhian Brown said people “could be investigated” for misgendering someone online, Rowling dared police to arrest her over tweets she posted describing transgender women as men.
This weekend, Scotland’s first minister, Humza Yousaf, the leader of the SNP, defended the legislation, telling the PA news agency that “deliberate misinformation” was being “peddled by some bad actors” falsely claiming that it was now a criminal offence to make “derogatory comments” based on the characteristics covered in the act.
He said the flurry of complaints from far-right activists was proof that the law had “failed to hit the right target” and that the Scottish government had “sought to prosecute speech” rather than social media platforms.
Ch Supt Rob Hay, president of the ASPS, said in a letter to Holyrood’s justice committee that he was concerned the law would be “weaponised” by an “activist fringe” across the political spectrum which could divert police resources from more serious crimes.
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And this is why the US First Amendment standards for freedom of speech should be adopted everywhere.
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