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Will it be a never ending war? (lemy.lol)
submitted 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) by to c/memes@lemmy.ml
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[–] 88 points 3 years ago (3 children)

I don't know how the government will be able to effectively ban E2EE and honestly I want to see them try

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  • [–] 61 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    100%? Impossible. But they can effectively ban it.

    Pass a law that makes any US company, or company doing business in the US, not allowed to host E2EE-enabled apps. This now bans them from the App Store and Play Store. 99% of users won't find or choose to side-load for android users. Then they can make E2EE actually illegal to distribute in the US. They'll almost never bother going after individuals, but this effectively makes hosting a US-based website unable to distribute E2EE programs. So people will need to use foreign sites. Which the US can force ISPs to block via a whack-a-mole on individual sites.

    This isn't very likely, but hell Congress was decently close to banning TikTok for no real reason so who knows?

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  • [–] 21 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Tories are just trying to kick up as much shit as possible before they're kicked out so they can blame the next party for the fallout.

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    • [–] 85 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    What's cloudflare done?

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  • [–] 69 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    They're all uppity that to use cloudflare proxy they have to terminate the ssl connection there. So technically cloudflare can sniff all the traffic. But that's kind of the point of WAFs and Reverse Proxies.

    I would argue that the sheer amount of data throughput that Cloudflare has, you'd have to really be on a list to be monitored... and they certainly cannot just log all data willy nilly.

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  • [–] 35 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I suppose this one is quite simple. How can they cache, if they don't MitM the connection? I don't think it would be technically possible. If you want the cache/CDN you just need to use a company you trust. If you don't trust them then you don't get the cache/CDN.

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  • [–] 22 points 3 years ago

    Correct. But people are viewing the DDOS protection, Cache, WAF, etc... functions as evidence that Cloudflare is obviously malicious and storing 100% of all data traversing them.

    I've seen no evidence of that yet, and will certainly discontinue use of them if they show such tendencies. Until then, I will absolutely leverage their platform for my use as a paying customer.

    I do understand the fear with their free platform though... They've gotta make money somehow, and I feel there's probably a fear that is data collection.

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  • [–] [S] 19 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    No high-profile cases yet, but some people are already concerned: https://crimeflare.eu.org/

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  • [–] 9 points 3 years ago*

    I might be missing something but the document seems to be comparing Cloudflare to the great firewall of China and calling them criminal because of things they could potentially do?

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    • [–] 85 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Guess I'll just have to touch grass.

    Google, try pulling data from me being at the park when my phone gets left at home!

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    • [–] 67 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    casual massive cock and nutsack in a post not marked as nsfw

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    • [–] 31 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    What about a fully encrypted peer to peer web?

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  • [–] 31 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Let's go Veilid!

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Yeah I cheer on this one!

    On the other hand I got a different protocol (& implementation up and running) that can be used right away. It's like IPFS but easy to "install" (a double click and a port forward is all that's needed), you are also in control of your data and of course you can change the data without changing the link.

    Don't get me wrong, IPFS paved the road. But today we have better ways to do things.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Like freenet?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago

    Close, but with the added possibility to change the data (like a website/blog/chat) and not only have static data.

    So on this protocol, you can have a website with a link to my website, who has a link to yours. Maybe that doesn't sound crazy cool :-) but filecoin, IPFS etc just does not have that functionality (with them you have a key/link, and it is locked to 1 data. Fix a typo in your text and you have to redistribute a new key/link on the old web or similar, it's totally static), and for me it's a must if you want to provide a functioning "new web".

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    • [–] 20 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    In the end you need a DNS that blocks all tracking...

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  • [–] 18 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    PiHole ftw!

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  • [–] 8 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    Only gets the job done when you are at home or have a constant VPN to your home.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    If you're tech savvy enough to set up PiHole you can also set up a Wireguard VPN.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Yes i know but just using NextDNS is way more convenient and less expensive (especially when a raspberry pi computers are 100€ and above in your area...)

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I just use a DigitalOcean VPS. $6+tax a month, plus some other self-hosted services. Don't have to worry about being connected to home or buying a Pi. Still may be more expensive, but not by much (only $4-$6 more expensive depending on how much you use the internet), but this also allows you to setup your own DNS if you want as well.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Web DRM could in theory ban this

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    • [–] 16 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    It's the ultimate showdown of ultimate destiny

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