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[–] 10 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Or, 1 in 5 new car buyers shouldn't be buying a new car.

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  • [–] 38 points 4 days ago (1 child)

    I'm dutch, and I hate that every time fuel costs increase we get a discussion about lowering taxes because the "poor people" need to be able to drive to work. We have practically perfect public transport and poor people cannot afford a car. Give a discount on train tickets instead please.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 days ago

    I know and was a poor person('s) with a car. Keep in mind me car cost me about €600 a year including tax, insurance and fixing it(somethins I do myself or with friends) now. And I'm not considered social minimum anymore.

    So owning a car is expensive(€600 a year is a lot of money), but I doesn't mean poor people don't have them.

    Higher fuel prices suck, we can me the decision to not eat at a restaurant anymore once a month, but some people can't. But lowering the taxes for everybody is just stupid.

    I hate that I need to own a car. Or anybody for that matter. I live in a village of 6000, no train and a bus one-time a hour (in rush hours 2 times a hour). I can't make it home when my work ends at 22 and can't make it to work when I need to start at 8.

    The only solution in my eyes would be cheap or free(it's is still cheaper in gasoline to take the car then the bus) public transport and more. There are a lot of village's and cities where you are very limited in public transport. So just cheaper train tickets not gonna help a lot of people not near a train stations. We need to invest in public transport (and I do prefer public owned and not for profit in any way)

    We and many friends really loved the cheaper ticket for the train this summer. (Bit annoying it didn't include bus, metro and tram) For some €50 a month was still a lot of money. But we all enjoyed it. Seeing friends and family. So yeah cheap train tickets helps a bit, but especially for work related or medical appointment isn't practically perfect)

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  • [–] 4 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    I'm more about "Fuck Car Companies" and "Banks" than I am about "Fuck Cars". Fuck the greed. Foreign cars are better than domestic nowadays anyway. Also, money no longer talks. They want you to go through a bank so everyone can scrape a little more off for their backyard swimming pools.

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  • [–] [S] 26 points 4 days ago* (2 children)

    So fucking glad I got rid of my car and I don't have a monthly car payment. But holy fuck, are some people really paying that much for their cars?!

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  • [–] 20 points 4 days ago

    Meanwhile, I thought my one time $700 ebike and accessories was a big purchase. I don't even pay for gas.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    1000 per month is still too cheap. Ecocidal narcissism needs to be far more painful than that.

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  • [+] [S] -7 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    Fair point, but no way could I afford payments like that.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    And then what? I get fired because I can't get to work since my city's transit sucks? Train and bus lines don't magically appear at will.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 days ago* (1 child)

    No. Your options (you can choose multiple at the same time):

    1. You get an ebike.
    2. You move closer to work.
    3. You get a job closer to home.
    4. You lobby your city to fix their shit.

    You wouldn't be the only person in this predicament if this happened so you would have lots of support to apply political pressure. But don't worry. It's never going to happen in your third world shithole country.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)
    1. Can't afford it.
    2. Can't afford it.
    3. Can't afford it.
    4. Don't have the time (see above).

    Thanks for the brilliant ideas that I've certainly never thought of.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 days ago

    What do you mean you're not in the financial position to just change your entire life around because of a lack of money? That's just ludicrous, i move house every Monday morning so my commute is only half the distance during the week and move back to my sea side house for the weekend.

    /s

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  • [–] 3 points 2 days ago* (1 child)

    All by design but if you can't afford an ebike then you definitely can't afford a car (just the fuel alone).

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  • [–] 14 points 4 days ago

    Hope everyone is enjoying their further proletarianization! Rents? Up! Transportation costs? Way up! Healthcare? Lucky if you can get it at all. Go to college? Enjoy 20-30 years of debt. Jobs? Down!

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  • [–] 10 points 4 days ago (3 children)

    Why are people buying a new car? Cars easily last 20years with basic maintenance. You can also buy 1-2 year used for 50% off list.

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  • [–] 19 points 4 days ago (1 child)

    You haven't been shopping used cars lately have you? Sure, some luxury cars will see a dramatic drop after a year or 2 of owning, but not most. My 2022 Maverick that I bought new, for 24k, is currently valued for $23,400 at Carvana.

    A coworker just bought a 2018 civic with 81000 miles for $15000. The used car market is insanely overpriced.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 days ago

    Not anymore. Most new cars only work about 5 yrs, after that sudden 'unexpected' problems start popping up. Obviously in built degradation - according to couple mechanics I trust, german brands are really bad / good at timing their failures at the end of your loan term. But other brands are following also - so pre covid cars are still fine-ish.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 days ago

    Well yeah I bought an electric car just before musk dropped the prices multiple times over night.

    That meant I was kinda stuck with my shitty ev before I could pay down the loan so that upon selling I wouldnt be stuck with a loan and no car. Had to keep the car 2 years longer than I was planning.

    That happens, such is life. Now gonna buy a van for longer trips and transporting work stuff around, and cheapest ev to roll around the local city runs.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    If you are not going to invest in public infrastructure, the least you could do is allow in affordable Chinese automobiles. Many of them can be had for $10,000 - $15,000.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    Wut? You guys have monthly payments for cars? Is this some NA thing? If you really need a a car, just buy used shitbox. There is no flex in being in debt.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 days ago

    I'm paying $700 a month for a used shitbox, because I had to get a secondary loan to pay for fixing the shitbox's engine.

    🎵 *And I'm proud to be an American where at least I know I'm free 🎶 *

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  • [–] [S] -3 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    Here in the US, even used shitboxes are very expensive, and you never know if it'll break down on you or not. When I was a teen, my first car cost $700 USD. Now for evne a used piece of shit in my area, they are around $10,000 USD

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago (1 child)

    Curious what area you're in, even a used 2016 sedan with 125k miles is only ~$6,500 where I'm at. Shitboxes go for far far less than that.

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  • [–] [S] -3 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    I'm more curious where you're at then. Because nothing that cheap here.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 days ago

    Kansas City metro area. Not saying they're all immaculate or anything, but a quick look locally:

    2016 Hyundai Elantra Sport, ~125k mi, $6800 https://www.craigslist.org/view/d/shawnee-2016-hyundai-elantra-sport/ndQo8xenJCriyRMWK3yeL2

    2011 Kia Sorento LX, ~100k mi, $6000, https://www.craigslist.org/view/d/independence-2011-kia-sorento-lx/d7GbL9qLvLbGV1mJNgsXe8

    2000 Ford Taurus, ~220k mi, $3000, https://www.craigslist.org/view/d/oak-grove-2000-ford-taurus-drives-great/wbBrmgxAUZDukLuCLYjQRy

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  • [–] 6 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    Every time.

    Reporter: [REDACTED]
    Reason: DonaldJMusk astroturfing account

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  • [–] [S] -3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 child)

    He creates alts, then makes those strange reports while downvoting every single post I make, regardless of subject.

    In DMs, he says I'm here to destroy Lemmy. I guess I'm doing that by talking about how cars suck?

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  • [–] -1 points 3 days ago* (1 child)

    You banning random people and claiming they're me 🤣 Sure I'm in the list a time or two but you're delusional if you think I'm the only person who downvotes you.

    But everyone who doesn't like you is me, right?

    P.S. Lemmy seems to ship with privacy invading features like "Stalker Pages": https://lemmy.today/u/PapaSkwat

    Stay informed.

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