Cross-posted from "FYI: StarTrek.website is no longer federating with Lemmy.dbzer0.com" by @Admin@startrek.website in !quarks@startrek.website

Crossposting here since y'all won't be able to see it now that they've defederated us.


If you're not familiar with how Lemmy/the Fediverse works, basically everything you read at StarTrek.website is hosted by us, even if the content originated elsewhere. That means we are responsible for everything here and we have to decide if we are comfortable boosting content from other instances.

If you're curious, the final straw here was learning that db0 explicitly allows hosting discussions about hurting people, which needless to say goes against our instance values and we simply don't have the manpower to moderate that volume of content incoming from their server to a degree that we feel meets our quality standards, which left defederating as the only viable option.

In keeping in line with past trends we're announcing this because is is a larger instance and don't want to leave any of the crew confused as to why something may be missing.


I don't consider this a massive loss tbh. We already have !Risa@lemmy.dbzer0.com and !tenforward@lemmy.world was already more active than their whole instance. And I'm sure @Stamets@lemmy.dbzer0.com can provide the noxious lore of their instance if you're interested. The only loss would be not having members such as @Kirk@startrek.website running around running interference for DDoSers like @ptz@dubvee.org. Also Admiral Patrick of the Tesseract fame, was also an admin on their instance iirc so this is a clear retaliation as far as I'm concerned, even though we didn't actually do anything to AP.

But also

db0 explicitly allows hosting discussions about hurting people

What the fuck does this even mean? Can someone ask for an example? Is this about Luigi? IDFK...

PS: Will this drama season never end? I want my free time back >_<

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[–] 2 points 23 minutes ago

I knew the story wouldn't end with him taking down his own instance. Either it was going to be brought back or he had another one.

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  • [–] 2 points 50 minutes ago (1 child)

    If you’re curious, the final straw here was learning that db0 explicitly allows hosting discussions about hurting people

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  • [–] 7 points 3 hours ago

    Admiral "the cunt" Patrick shitting in his own pants again.

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  • [–] 21 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

    I tried asking for examples and this was the response i got

    They have a right to operate however they see fit, and we have strict rules about linking to other instances with the intent of shaming someone or influencing their policy. If you have questions about dbzer0's policies I recommend you take your questions to them.

    Which is funny because now i see your post and you don't seem to know what you did and they refuse to share examples :/

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  • [–] 8 points 3 hours ago*

    we have strict rules about linking to other instances with the intent of shaming someone or influencing their policy

    That sounds like this is retaliatory action for db0 calling out AP for being a shitlord and demanding the censorship gets rolled back in Tesseract.

    After all, db0 shamed and tried to influence policy for a turd who wanted to control what their users could even see.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 hours ago

    Almost like there isn't a reason just spite or pettiness.

    Especially as the reasoning of extra moderation needed would only be on the db0 side unless those admins of startrek wanted to curate what federates

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  • [–] 14 points 5 hours ago (1 child)

    There are a lot of people questioning their decision. The admin refuses to provide proof.

    Good riddens. 🤷‍♂️

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  • [–] 21 points 6 hours ago

    db0 explicitly allows hosting discussions about hurting people

    I mean if discussing how to defend yourself from capitalist / fasch / nazi opression counts as "hurting people", I guess we could take that as a badge of honour? We don't owe to our oppressors to put their welfare above ours!

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  • [–] 25 points 8 hours ago (1 child)

    Lol at their comments, they won't even give evidence to back up their claims. Just bot-like responses.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

    Didn't this have something to do with the tesseract drama? I think that guy has it out for the anarchists.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 hours ago

    Yes. db0 posted about the blocklist after updating Tesseract for the dbzero instance, basically putting it on blast (as they should have).

    The dev also turned their home page into a ddos enabler, using visitor browsers to send 2000 requests to the dbzero instance.

    Odds are good that this same person was also running the st.w instance.

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  • [–] 20 points 7 hours ago (1 child)

    I'm genuinely trying to think of the last time I saw a post from startrek.website and drawing a blank.

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  • [–] 29 points 9 hours ago (1 child)

    Uhh I'm fairly certain that Kirk isn't running interference for Patrick and ptz. All three are the same sad and pathetic guy, from what I understand.

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  • [–] 30 points 9 hours ago* (1 child)

    db0 explicitly allows hosting discussions about hurting people

    Huh? Since when? Lol.

    Don’t think DB0 as a whole ever allowed such a thing. We as an instance are heavily against hurting others (I mean we are against racism, hatred, Zionism, Nazism… you name it).

    The discussion of Luigi is one that’s is actually needed to be had. The guy did something wrong, yes. But he had all the reasons for it. The industry hurts (and kills) thousands of people just for their profit. Just once they got the “favor” returned.

    Anyway, I have no idea what that particular instance is. So won’t be missing it either.

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  • [–] 27 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

    Institution violence is fine and dandy apparently, because capitalism, but violence against your oppressors ... no way man!

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  • [–] 19 points 7 hours ago (1 child)

    For all the talk about AdmiralPatrick’s unstable behavior, what gets me is this obsession with “no violence!!”

    What do they think Elon did with USAID or what healthcare companies do every day? Capitalism is grinding us into dust and literally destroying the planet, but when someone suggests a French solution they’re the lunatics? Bro, pull your head out.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 hours ago* (2 children)

    It is always disappointing. Condoning violence is never acceptable. Unfortunately for us, news after new after news article, we see those who protest peaceful through speech have senseless violence imposed on them. They did not ask to be murdered.

    The ones that asked, have 24/7 news coverage. But it's okay because they say "it's concerning".

    So now that some guy had enough and imposes justice that the law could never give. Through his actions paid one life to save hundreds?

    True, it shouldn't have come to that. True, the soulless husk in a thousand dollar tie should've been put to prison. But violence is the speech of the oppressed who see no other way to fight back.

    It's just okay to kill through oppression, because it's "official", "legal" and "their fault".

    Luigi is not a hero through the man he allegedly killed. He is a hero because he represents the fury of the people.

    In our side, we welcome discussion on solving the problems that we hear about on a daily basis. But turning a blind eye while people are butchered right in the open will not help anyone.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 hour ago

    What do you mean? Violence is acceptable or even good in many cases.

    What do you call it when someone hurts or damages an attacking person until they stop?

    Violence and the capacity to direct it underpins all power in society for good and ill. If you are not protected by it then you are vulnerable to anyone who is willing to use it. Ideally you don't have to resort to violence but that doesn't mean that when you do it's bad.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 hours ago

    Literally every country I know of has a military. Police carry weapons. Sometimes people need to physically defend others. Violence ia culturally accepted everywhere. You should see the rampant soldier worship in the US.

    What fanatasy world exists where there is never a reason for violence?

    This is some stupid smear campaign. Examples or they can fuck off.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 hours ago (1 child)

    Not s big deal witht that very small very specific topic

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  • [–] 11 points 9 hours ago

    What a weird stance to take when the internet is full of people talking about wishing death on the fat orange monkey and no one bats an eye but something obscure on this instance gets their panties in a bunch.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 hours ago

    As long as the Fediverse has human users there will be drama.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 hours ago

    Bye, felicia

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  • [+] -15 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (4 children)

    I ranted about this in another thread some, but I’m with startrek.website here.

    I almost switched to db0 when I first found Lemmy.world and joined it; you guys seemed, ideologically, closest to me. I loved the vibe.

    Communities about Anarchism, Generative AI, Copylefts, Neurodivergence, Filesharing, and Free Software. (And Math!) Follow the Anarchist Code of Conduct and honor the Disengage Rule. Don’t be shitty to each other. Keep it SFW. Obey the spirit of The Golden Rules. Fuck around and find out.

    This is me. Every word. I love this.

    …But holy hell.

    The bar for calling for explicit violence is basically zero, as long as the target fits the instance’s views. And I’ve watched the admin come in and personally validate that policy in the threads in question.

    I wouldn’t want to touch this instance, either.

    Again, I’m otherwise sympathetic to everything about this instance, yet I think I’d vote for Lemmy.world to defederate from db0 if it ever comes up.


    And I’m not here to debate how I’m apparently not antifascist enough, or shoot down accusations that I’m a pacifist, or whatever.

    I’m sick of that.

    And I’m clearly not moving the needle here. I’m not trying to; do what you do. I just thought I’d provide a perspective of someone who was otherwise quite attracted to this community.

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  • [–] 21 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 child)

    This entire accusation revolves around an extreme extrapolation from reading the statement "We're not pacifists" in response to AdmiralPatrick's insistence that any acceptance of violence is evil, no matter the context. There is no reasonable way to see that statement and jump to "Therefore they glorify and encourage violence" without filling in a lot of blanks with assumptions.

    Curiously, you're doing it with the exact same language that AdmiralPatrick used, where the exact nature of the targets of the "instance's views" aren't specified.

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  • [+] -6 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (3 children)

    I'm just citing my own personal observations interacting with the db0 community. The calls for violance and death were not subtle.

    It has little to do with whatever happened to tesseract; I noticed this trend before that, but all that controversy just bubbled it to the top of my conscious (as it seems to have with that startrek community).

    Curiously, you’re doing it with the exact same language that AdmiralPatrick used, where the exact nature of the targets of the “instance’s views” are.

    If you're accusing me of being AdmiralPatrick or related to them, I don't really know how to respond to that. But I'm not, and I've been on Lemmy over 2 years so far.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 hours ago

    No, I'm saying that you're sharing the same flawed tactic: vaguely referencing something that sounds bad but could be easily explicable with the context provided. It's especially not a great way to go about it right now after Admiral Patrick used it to make accusations that don't hold up to scrutiny about more than just the dbzero instance, but also blahaj.zone and its admins.

    Like what's the threshold for "calls of violence and death" here? You also reinforced Admiral Patrick's idea that it was acceptable only towards people the instance's admin agreed with. So what are the specific details? Who were these calls for violence and death towards? How intense were they? Are we talking about "Punch Nazis" or "Kill all brown people"? Both are calls for violence and death but are still very different.

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  • [–] 16 points 7 hours ago (1 child)

    And I’m not here to debate how I’m apparently not antifascist enough

    Then why did you bring it up? And you brought it up the first time too.

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  • [+] -6 points 6 hours ago* (4 children)

    Because when I bring this up, I get replies calling me a fascist sympathizer, and the whole thread barrels towards Godwin's law.

    You can indulge in that all you want, again, if you wish. I'm not interested in that rabbit hole.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 hours ago*

    Because when I bring this up, I get replies calling me a fascist sympathizer

    If it whines like a duck and it blames violence on the oppressed like a duck... then at least that means that duck is capable of thinking, and should get to that.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

    Speaking as someone who did move from LW to db0, and then subsequently instance blocked lemmy.world and saw the instant improvement in my fediverse experience, I’m also in favor of LW defederating from everyone else.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 hours ago (1 child)

    I tried blocking them for a while and there were only a few subscriptions I couldn't get. Defederating would be an exposure issue, though.

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