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FYI: StarTrek.website is no longer federating with Lemmy.dbzer0.com (lemmy.dbzer0.com)
submitted 9 hours ago* by [M] to c/div0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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Cross-posted from "FYI: StarTrek.website is no longer federating with Lemmy.dbzer0.com" by @Admin@startrek.website in !quarks@startrek.website

Crossposting here since y'all won't be able to see it now that they've defederated us.

If you're not familiar with how Lemmy/the Fediverse works, basically everything you read at StarTrek.website is hosted by us, even if the content originated elsewhere. That means we are responsible for everything here and we have to decide if we are comfortable boosting content from other instances.

If you're curious, the final straw here was learning that db0 explicitly allows hosting discussions about hurting people, which needless to say goes against our instance values and we simply don't have the manpower to moderate that volume of content incoming from their server to a degree that we feel meets our quality standards, which left defederating as the only viable option.

In keeping in line with past trends we're announcing this because is is a larger instance and don't want to leave any of the crew confused as to why something may be missing.

I don't consider this a massive loss tbh. We already have !Risa@lemmy.dbzer0.com and !tenforward@lemmy.world was already more active than their whole instance. And I'm sure @Stamets@lemmy.dbzer0.com can provide the noxious lore of their instance if you're interested. The only loss would be not having members such as @Kirk@startrek.website running around running interference for DDoSers like @ptz@dubvee.org. Also Admiral Patrick of the Tesseract fame, was also an admin on their instance iirc so this is a clear retaliation as far as I'm concerned, even though we didn't actually do anything to AP.

But also

db0 explicitly allows hosting discussions about hurting people

What the fuck does this even mean? Can someone ask for an example? Is this about Luigi? IDFK...

PS: Will this drama season never end? I want my free time back >_<

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[+] -14 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (4 children)

I ranted about this in another thread some, but I’m with startrek.website here.

I almost switched to db0 when I first found Lemmy.world and joined it; you guys seemed, ideologically, closest to me. I loved the vibe.

Communities about Anarchism, Generative AI, Copylefts, Neurodivergence, Filesharing, and Free Software. (And Math!) Follow the Anarchist Code of Conduct and honor the Disengage Rule. Don’t be shitty to each other. Keep it SFW. Obey the spirit of The Golden Rules. Fuck around and find out.

This is me. Every word. I love this.

…But holy hell.

The bar for calling for explicit violence is basically zero, as long as the target fits the instance’s views. And I’ve watched the admin come in and personally validate that policy in the threads in question.

I wouldn’t want to touch this instance, either.

Again, I’m otherwise sympathetic to everything about this instance, yet I think I’d vote for Lemmy.world to defederate from db0 if it ever comes up.

And I’m not here to debate how I’m apparently not antifascist enough, or shoot down accusations that I’m a pacifist, or whatever.

I’m sick of that.

And I’m clearly not moving the needle here. I’m not trying to; do what you do. I just thought I’d provide a perspective of someone who was otherwise quite attracted to this community.

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  • [–] 20 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 child)

    This entire accusation revolves around an extreme extrapolation from reading the statement "We're not pacifists" in response to AdmiralPatrick's insistence that any acceptance of violence is evil, no matter the context. There is no reasonable way to see that statement and jump to "Therefore they glorify and encourage violence" without filling in a lot of blanks with assumptions.

    Curiously, you're doing it with the exact same language that AdmiralPatrick used, where the exact nature of the targets of the "instance's views" aren't specified.

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  • [–] -5 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (2 children)

    I'm just citing my own personal observations interacting with the db0 community. The calls for violance and death were not subtle.

    It has little to do with whatever happened to tesseract; I noticed this trend before that, but all that controversy just bubbled it to the top of my conscious (as it seems to have with that startrek community).

    Curiously, you’re doing it with the exact same language that AdmiralPatrick used, where the exact nature of the targets of the “instance’s views” are.

    If you're accusing me of being AdmiralPatrick or related to them, I don't really know how to respond to that. But I'm not, and I've been on Lemmy over 2 years so far.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 hours ago

    No, I'm saying that you're sharing the same flawed tactic: vaguely referencing something that sounds bad but could be easily explicable with the context provided. It's especially not a great way to go about it right now after Admiral Patrick used it to make accusations that don't hold up to scrutiny about more than just the dbzero instance, but also blahaj.zone and its admins.

    Like what's the threshold for "calls of violence and death" here? You also reinforced Admiral Patrick's idea that it was acceptable only towards people the instance's admin agreed with. So what are the specific details? Who were these calls for violence and death towards? How intense were they? Are we talking about "Punch Nazis" or "Kill all brown people"? Both are calls for violence and death but are still very different.

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  • [–] 14 points 6 hours ago (1 child)

    And I’m not here to debate how I’m apparently not antifascist enough

    Then why did you bring it up? And you brought it up the first time too.

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  • [–] -5 points 6 hours ago* (3 children)

    Because when I bring this up, I get replies calling me a fascist sympathizer, and the whole thread barrels towards Godwin's law.

    You can indulge in that all you want, again, if you wish. I'm not interested in that rabbit hole.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 hours ago*

    Because when I bring this up, I get replies calling me a fascist sympathizer

    If it whines like a duck and it blames violence on the oppressed like a duck... then at least that means that duck is capable of thinking, and should get to that.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

    Speaking as someone who did move from LW to db0, and then subsequently instance blocked lemmy.world and saw the instant improvement in my fediverse experience, I’m also in favor of LW defederating from everyone else.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 hours ago (1 child)

    I tried blocking them for a while and there were only a few subscriptions I couldn't get. Defederating would be an exposure issue, though.

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