speaks common sense and calls out absurdity
Yes, the bar is that low.
speaks common sense and calls out absurdity
Yes, the bar is that low.
yes. anyone who's 35+ years of age should notice this.
while shitty things used to happen or fly under the radar, mass media used to act as cultural checks and balances to keep the insanity at arms length. but it's all been monopolized--it's all controlled by the crazy people. you have independent journalism but few americans read it, and most online magazines are read by out-of-touch, overeducated yuppies and aren't nearly as biting as they used to be or should be.
but this bullshit should be obvious to anyone because the rest of culture needs to adjust to the insanity, to normalize it. how hard is it to differentiate between parody/satire and reality these days?
it's impossible IMO. when i watch most newer films i assume they're parody because they're so fucking stupid.
We absolutely do, it's just that none of us ever seem to get elected to the US Congress, so when someone does, yeah, it is kind of a big deal.
She makes insecure people panic without screaming or playing into games.
Imo good leadership traits and reminds me a lot about Obama. She handles pressure smoothly, one can say even more pressure than Obama.
"In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king."
But being serious: AOC and politicians like her ARE us "doing it for ourselves." For a very long time, the vast majority of politicians elected in the US have gotten there by getting the backing of wealthy capitalists. They don't say "common sense things" because those things aren't good for the people who helped them get elected. If they did say those things, those capitalists would not only stop funding them, but fund their opposition more. The result is a government comprised of politicians who very rationally don't represent us. (That's not to say some of them aren't crazy on their own, but them being there is a rational outcome of self-interested actors.)
In order to get a politician who does and says things that are good for people, you need an absolutely massive grass roots effort to win an election against the might of rich donors. AOC was one of the notable times when we managed to do that. But this shows the limitations of that strategy within our current electoral system. For every AOC, Illhan Omar, or Mamdani, there are literally hundreds of more races which are still dominated by big money. It took not only a massive on the ground organizing effort locally, but also a lot of support from engaged people across the nation. And it's way more costly for the average person to contribute to a campaign than it is for a billionaire. So even if a lot of us want this, it's going to be really difficult to get a critical mass of wins to actually make an impact.
So that's why they're a big deal. They might be basic social democrats in some less corrupt countries, but here they are the few who are unbought. What they say is less relevant than the fact that they are able to say it at all.
Any politician that actually speaks common sense is a big deal.
Must be a blissful experience not observing any official political discourse at all. It's all disingenuous rhetoricizing because the 'conservative' right only has a policy of extraction and enriching the insanely affluent, and they know that's not popular, so they simply force the conversation away from practical topics of governing, often with distractions and moarlizing non-issues. The liberal 'left' are happy to descend to that arena because they're also funded by the same insanely rich, and their alleged beliefs and goals conflict with those interests. So it is currently unusual when a politician sidesteps that whole dynamic and just addresses the actual issues living perople everywhere on the political spectrum can identify with in their lived experience. AOC is a pretty good example of someone who is consistently trying to drag the conversation into the practical realm, which the establishment hates because it draws attention to the fact that they have nothing to offer of value to better the lives of the majority of their constituents, and no intention to do so, in fact.
So yes, as crazy as it is, we are just so far off the rails that simple and practical reform and adressing obvious problems seems outlandish and impossible, but that's not an accident; It's what the donor class has paid both sides for. It is a good sign that more political actors are wading into that conversation, and an indicator of the eventual expiry date on corrupting the body politics with bribes.
How many other politicians are doing that? When a mechanic doesn't try to scam you, you tell very person that will listen.
For those here who remember AOC being a monitor company and not some politician, OP is talking about Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who is one of the representatives of the state of New York in the House of the Congress of the USA.
Typing how useless this comment is on one of several AOC monitors I use daily
This was a huge cause of confusion years ago when the media started using "AOC" to refer to her. I was like, damn, their monitors used to be cheap crap, why are they so popular now?
It was nothing compared to the horrors of MTG
I can definitely see that.
It's really annoying to me when people make posts in a general community without giving any kind of context (to non-US-Americans in this case) and this one had me tripping over mental monitors for a hot second.
I think it's at least partially because everyone else sucks so bad. She's not a great speaker but she gets a lot of coverage from left-wing influencers because there's no one else to promote. She also positions herself just far enough on the left to get their support but she's also close enough to the center to still get coverage in the mainstream media. So she's the face of progressive movent and gets attacked by Fox a lot. So she's everywhere even though she's kind of bland in my opinion (compared with European left at least).
she's kind of bland in my opinion (compared with European left at least).
Compared to European politics, the USA doesn't really have any "left".
Most Democrats would be considered center-right in a lot of other countries.
Exactly. I would say Mamdani is "European kind of left" and he's also really good at delivering his message. I totally get why he's so popular. OAC is only OK but he really doesn't have a lot of competition in Congress.
Hard-right even.
Were I live, Portugal, the policies of the Democrat Party are closest to those of a local party called Iniciativa Liberal (Liberal Initiative) who are considered Far-Right ultra Neoliberal (and were started by people with A LOT of money rather than being a naturally growing movement).
In most of Europe the mainstream parties (whether they used to be center-left or center-right) nowadays are Neoliberal, but the version of that ideology of the US Democract Party is harder than even the old center-right mainstream in Europe (which is how even an EU under a majority of the EPP - which are the EU level group of such parties - is still a lot more pro-consumer than the Democrats, though things have been getting worse).
gets attacked by Fox a lot
A point about this is it's a specific long-term strategy used by conservative media that worked on Hillary. It doesn't matter what AOC says or does, they'll give her negative coverage. They'll spend years doing this so when she finally does make a run for president their viewers will already have AOC=BAD baked in.
that worked on Hillary
Hillary shot herself in the foot by holding repellent policies and abhorrent views even within her own party. She was pro-war well into the 2010s. She was Tough On Crime in the middle of BLM protest waves. She was chintzy and hyper-bureaucratic on public health care and education while she freely opened her wallet to mass surveillance and corporate bailouts. She demonstrated naked hostility to the LGBTQ community time and time again. She flaunted her wealth, constantly lied about her own historical record, surrounded herself with sycophants and scammers, and was the worst kind of sore loser.
That's why Obama kicked the knees out from under her in 2008. And that's why Donald Trump could casually outflank her on the left in 2016, by mouthing a few anti-war slogans, bullshitting about popular economic reforms, and hugging the Pride Flag. Hillary made the same stupid mistakes as Gore in 2000 and Kerry in 2004 and Harris in 2024. She desperately pandered to the Republican Establishment while expecting everyone to the left of John McCain to reflexively bend the knee.
I'm glad Hillary lost. I'm just sad she had to lose in the general, rather than scrubbing out in the primary a second time.
She’s not a great speaker but she gets a lot of coverage from left-wing influencers because there’s no one else to promote.
She's fine. There are definitely better orators. But she stays on message, advances popular policies, and is generally well-received by her constituents. There are plenty of other aspiring AOCs that don't perform half as well. And you won't be able to name them because they don't win elected office - much less survive multiple hostile intra-party primary bids and smear campaigns - or fundraise effectively or get promoted via social media so aggressively.
There are definitely other people to promote. We just watched Graham Platner's star rise largely on his personal charisma and ability to build a crowd. We've seen Al Franken and Anthony Weiner and John Edwards all come and go along similar trajectories. AOC might demonstrate better staying power simply because she's not a giant sex pest.
So she’s everywhere even though she’s kind of bland in my opinion (compared with European left at least).
Compared to Corbyn or Mélenchon or Reichinnek? I'd say she's par for the course.
She’s fine.
Absolutely. She's a capable politician and party member. I just don't think she deserved to get the kind of attention she's getting. For example many people talk about presidency and I think she's not even close to this level. There's simply no one else out there.
I just don’t think she deserved to get the kind of attention she’s getting.
A lot of it boils down to her fundraising numbers. Among all the members of The Squad, she outperforms to the point that the rest of the party needs to periodically come to her with hands out for a cup of money. That extends her influence within party leadership and allows her to effectively lobby for legislative amendments and rally support in her caucus to vote against certain other bills.
For example many people talk about presidency and I think she’s not even close to this level.
I think she's better positioned to work on her bid in 2026 than Obama was twenty years earlier.
Of course, I also think she'd function better as a candidate for NY Governor. Building a hard base of DSA-aligned Democrats inside New York and advancing progressive policy at the state level sounds much more appealing than taking a stab at the White House, only to get the entire country's problems dumped in your lap.
There’s simply no one else out there.
There's Pritzker in Illinois and Andy Beshear in Kentucky. Chris Murphy of Connecticut and Mark Kelly of Arizona are also strong contenders. But, again, anyone taking the Presidency in 2028 is going to inherit an absolute shitshow. I wouldn't want the job and I think you kinda have to be crazy if you do. I also don't think AOC would do well under the degree of pressure the office will apply. You really need someone coming in there with a crowbar and an eye for kneecaps. That's not her style of politics.
I could almost stomach four years of Gavin Newsom if I believed he'd spend his time running down Trump Admin hacks and bankrupting them. Where's Elliot Spitzer when you need him? But I know Newsom would sell out twice as hard as Trump just to prove he's better at it, so that's a no-go.
I don't think there are any good candidates for President in 2028, AOC included. But that's more thanks to the deep endemic corruption of the office and the spinelessness of the Dem Party as a whole. If the only thing you care about is winning a popularity contest, though? AOC's a top contender.
I also don’t think AOC would do well under the degree of pressure the office will apply.
I don't even think she would do well under the pressure of the presidential campaign.
Of course, I also think she’d function better as a candidate for NY Governor. Building a hard base of DSA-aligned Democrats inside New York and advancing progressive policy at the state level
100% agree. Ideally they would the couple of strong contenders for presidency and bunch of AOCs advancing things at a local level. The fact that people propose AOC for presidents shows how bad the state of the party is.
Disinformation is so widespread, largely because of O&G marketing firms, that speaking common sense has become a big deal.
It might not look like much, but the really impressive part about their journey is how they avoid being dragged into a political sport between the liberal/conservative/MAGA cesspool, and instead drag our attention towards the meaningful.
Its a dreamers game, and those who captures the imagination of the people are the winners.
At the same time, Washington politics is a money game, and Sanders wing have been able to keep up with them only with money from small donors.
Well at least thats my takaway from following us politics between 2015 to 2021.
There is a really excellent documentary called Knock Down the House. It followed four progressive women launching grassroots campaigns against powerful political figures.
If memory serves AOC is the only one of the four who won her race.
You see MAGA love to hate women. That is one of the reasons why they hate Nancy Pelosi so much.
It is the Howard Stern effect, where people who liked his show listened to about half of it, people who really had no opinion on Stern didn’t listen to any of his show. People who hated Howard Stern listened to every minute of his show. AOC is the same way.
MAGA’s hatred has made her a household name and it is awesome, because I love her. She is just excellent. She is what MAGAs wish Donald Trump was.
we went off the rails in the 1980s dude. Carter and Nixon were the last presidents that remote had any grounding in reality, and they were both loathed by the public for it. 1970s were a shitshow and instead of fixing shit we decided to just start mortgaging the country for the next 50 years.
we have been riding them every since, no feet on the ground.
We have had like a handful of pols who wanted to like fix shit in this country, but they are not widely popular and the establishment totally hates them, so they are portrayed as radicals.
Read all the posts here. Most of them are correct in some way.
So she's like perfect ragebait for every right winger
Most politicians at that level (maybe all levels) appear to be bought and paid for, are not genuine, and just say whatever the polls and their campaign managers tell them. She seems to be more genuine, competent, charismatic, and a threat to the status quo.
Because a lot of you are cowards and hid away instead of helping to shape public opinion. When these leaders like AOC and others do not have people creating content on popular platforms then it leaves a runway for the opposition to create any narrative they want. It's a numbers game at this point. The opposition convinced supporters to run away and hide and they did willingly.
Like it or not, people need political leaders to follow.
Also, AOC has the advantage of representing a district in New York City, the media capital of the world. She probably wouldn't be as well known if she was the Congressmember from Topeka
She's an attractive latina. This shouldn't matter. The reason it does is because the right hates her for being liberal, but they hate even more that they could never have her. One thing to understand about the typical "alpha male" hyper^toxic^-masculine right wing narcissistic douche is they view themselves as hunters. They can't or won't acknowledge (or maybe they don't understand) that they are in fact trophy hunters. When it comes to women, some of the biggest "trophies" are the strong, independent ones. Add in the latina flavor and top it with being liberal (that they would view as needing to be educated) and she's one of the biggest trophies in their world. The fact that they have absolutely no chance with her pisses them off to no end. So she becomes the target of their ire. Then they try to trash her every chance they get. For this she has gotten a lot more air time and publicity than others.
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