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[–] 97 points 2 years ago (61 children)

Mark my words:

Trump will win, and it will be largely because of people who refuse to support Biden due to Palestine.

I will be truly happy if time proves me wrong.

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  • [–] 80 points 2 years ago (24 children)

    We should be criticizing our old, conservative president Biden. He needs to 180 his stance.

    Also not voting for him in Nov is vapid and invalidates any defense of the Palestinian people you have.

    It sucks, but it's reality.

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  • [–] 49 points 2 years ago (23 children)

    It sucks, but it’s reality.

    Yep.

    We legitimately have zero options besides voting for Biden.

    And I sincerely hope enough voters realize that, because trump will be worse.

    The only thing we can do till 2028 is make a lot of noise about how this shit is unacceptable and Dems need to do better

    Unfortunately the DNC knows that while we say it's unacceptable, we still have to vote Biden or risk trump.

    Which is why the DNC has spent 30 years drifting further and further right. They have captive voters and are willing to risk Republican rule so Dems can be as rightwing as possible.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (25 children)

    This is honestly the best take on the issue I've seen so far.

    I am the first person to say we need to break the two-party stranglehold on politics. We need independent candidates in office yesterday. But this election is the abso-fucking-lutely worst time to make a run at that, because that third party vote WILL be a vote for Trump. And if you firmly believe that third party or independent politicians have a place, elect them to your local city council or school board or state legislature. That is where they will make a real, actionable difference.

    A vote against Biden, no matter who for, is a vote for Trump. No amount of TikTok "well ackshually" will change that reality.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago

    Then you better start pushing your party to primary him or get someone else in there. His shitty numbers didnt start overnight, theyve seen the writing on the wall and refused to acknowledge it.

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  • [–] 53 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Eventhough Trump moved the embassy to Jerusalem and supports the complete destruction of gaza

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  • [–] 32 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    And then Trump will make things infinitely worse, and we'll have to fight that same stupid battle over who's to blame for the next 4 years. Wash, rinse, repeat.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Yes indeed, but the people pledging to vote against Biden because Israel don't care. Or don't believe. Or sincerely think Trump will be better.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Yeah, I don't understand hating Biden for something that Netanyahu is doing. And there's only so much Biden could do other than try to play peacekeeper, which he's been doing. Pretty much any other actions require congressional support. Biden isn't a king, he can't unilaterally declare that we're ending all support for Israel.
    And yet an insane number of people act like he's over there killing Palestinians with his bare hands.

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    [–] 63 points 2 years ago (15 children)

    When did lemmy become such a shithole? I know people here tend to be young, but I thought they were generally more intelligent than this shit. So much "genocide Joe" bullshit. People that will refuse to vote, and then completely absolve themselves when they hand it to Trump and the genocide escalates.

    It's not about Palestinian lives, it's about making sure you don't feel guilty for personally voting for Joe Biden.

    Grow the fuck up

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago

    You can demand better from your elected officials, while continuing to vote for them. Joe is a horrible democrat candidate, and I have zero qualms about making that known. But he’s also the only candidate the party has been willing to put forth, so it’s who I’ll end up voting for. That doesn’t mean I need to be happy or enthusiastic about voting for him.

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    [–] [S] 32 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    They repeatedly stopped Biden, who appeared frustrated at times, with chants that included "Genocide Joe" and "How many kids will you kill?" in opposition to his support for Israel in its war against Hamas in Gaza.

    Biden supporters drowned them out the protesters with chants of "four more years" and "let's go, Joe."

    He struggled to finish his speech, telling the crowd at one point, "They feel deeply."

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    [–] 22 points 2 years ago

    Liberals will still blame his (and Hillary Clinton's) critics instead of the democrats' bad policies and hubris for electing Donald Trump even though those same liberals still talk, think and act like republicans and willing just as much to throw the handicapped, the queer, the women and the racial minorities under the bus all just for neo-liberal policies that are not too different from Trump's.

    speaking of, much of what was done against abortion was not reversed and is destined to keep being dangled above those liberals' head, and then they'll say we shouldn't criticize the holy neo liberal savior so he could reverse Trump's clownery just for this to go all over again.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago

    Free Women, Free Ukraine, Free Palestine (from Hamas AND Israel), Free America (from Trump)

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago

    It's true for all of us if we pay tax.

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