▲ 267 ▼ Biden campaign speech on abortion rights disrupted 14 times by pro-Palestinian protesters (abcnews.go.com) submitted 2 years ago by return2ozma@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world 195 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] RandomPancake@lemmy.world 97 points 2 years ago (60 children) Mark my words: Trump will win, and it will be largely because of people who refuse to support Biden due to Palestine. I will be truly happy if time proves me wrong. permalink fedilink source hideshow 66 child comments replies: [–] CptEnder@lemmy.world 80 points 2 years ago (24 children) We should be criticizing our old, conservative president Biden. He needs to 180 his stance. Also not voting for him in Nov is vapid and invalidates any defense of the Palestinian people you have. It sucks, but it's reality. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 27 child comments replies: [–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 49 points 2 years ago (23 children) It sucks, but it’s reality. Yep. We legitimately have zero options besides voting for Biden. And I sincerely hope enough voters realize that, because trump will be worse. The only thing we can do till 2028 is make a lot of noise about how this shit is unacceptable and Dems need to do better Unfortunately the DNC knows that while we say it's unacceptable, we still have to vote Biden or risk trump. Which is why the DNC has spent 30 years drifting further and further right. They have captive voters and are willing to risk Republican rule so Dems can be as rightwing as possible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 24 child comments replies: [–] RandomPancake@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (25 children) This is honestly the best take on the issue I've seen so far. I am the first person to say we need to break the two-party stranglehold on politics. We need independent candidates in office yesterday. But this election is the abso-fucking-lutely worst time to make a run at that, because that third party vote WILL be a vote for Trump. And if you firmly believe that third party or independent politicians have a place, elect them to your local city council or school board or state legislature. That is where they will make a real, actionable difference. A vote against Biden, no matter who for, is a vote for Trump. No amount of TikTok "well ackshually" will change that reality. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 25 child comments load more comments (25 replies) load more comments (22 replies) [–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago Then you better start pushing your party to primary him or get someone else in there. His shitty numbers didnt start overnight, theyve seen the writing on the wall and refused to acknowledge it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Biden's arrogance on this is incredible, though of course he's part of the party establishment so that's to be expected. "You aren't allowed to complain about anything and if we don't win this election it's all your fault" is not, it turns out, a winning campaign slogan. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (21 replies) [–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 53 points 2 years ago (1 child) Eventhough Trump moved the embassy to Jerusalem and supports the complete destruction of gaza permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RandomPancake@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago (6 children) They don't care. The people pledging to vote against Biden over Israel are typically armchair politicians who get all their news from echo chambers. Facts and reality don't matter; they honestly believe they are "sending a message" and "making a stand". The reality is that they're the 2024 version of 2016's insufferable #voteswap techbros. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Those people don't vote. People are either undecided until the election or already decided. I could fill out the ballot right now. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (5 replies) [–] Blackbeard@lemmy.world 32 points 2 years ago (1 child) And then Trump will make things infinitely worse, and we'll have to fight that same stupid battle over who's to blame for the next 4 years. Wash, rinse, repeat. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RandomPancake@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) Yes indeed, but the people pledging to vote against Biden because Israel don't care. Or don't believe. Or sincerely think Trump will be better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Shyfer@ttrpg.network 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Or they don't want to vote for a pro genocide President. Tbh, I get it. Your vote is your stamp of approval for a candidate for a lot of people. It's the only way to say their approval that a lot of people have, their only voice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) [+] JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies) [–] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (6 children) Yeah, I don't understand hating Biden for something that Netanyahu is doing. And there's only so much Biden could do other than try to play peacekeeper, which he's been doing. Pretty much any other actions require congressional support. Biden isn't a king, he can't unilaterally declare that we're ending all support for Israel. And yet an insane number of people act like he's over there killing Palestinians with his bare hands. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social 15 points 2 years ago (16 children) I know this sounds crazy, but he could not sell them weapons. He is directly supporting what is happening there by doing so. Call back carrier groups, stop selling weapons, and let them deal with their own fucking problems that they caused permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments load more comments (16 replies) load more comments (5 replies) [+] HorseRabbit@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago It's just how liberal centrists sheild themselves from self-reflection. They know there are people to their left, and engaging with their ideas might make them realize their policies and candidates cause harm, so they decide to dismiss them out of hand as aiding the right. This creates a safe narrative where they're always the good guy; people to their right are dangerous lunatics, people to their left are naive fools who are unintentionally helping the lunatics, and they're the only ones behaving responsibly. This allows them to condemn people calling for the end of a genocide without engaging with the fact that their candidate is enabling a genocide. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (54 replies)
[–] CptEnder@lemmy.world 80 points 2 years ago (24 children) We should be criticizing our old, conservative president Biden. He needs to 180 his stance. Also not voting for him in Nov is vapid and invalidates any defense of the Palestinian people you have. It sucks, but it's reality. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 27 child comments replies: [–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 49 points 2 years ago (23 children) It sucks, but it’s reality. Yep. We legitimately have zero options besides voting for Biden. And I sincerely hope enough voters realize that, because trump will be worse. The only thing we can do till 2028 is make a lot of noise about how this shit is unacceptable and Dems need to do better Unfortunately the DNC knows that while we say it's unacceptable, we still have to vote Biden or risk trump. Which is why the DNC has spent 30 years drifting further and further right. They have captive voters and are willing to risk Republican rule so Dems can be as rightwing as possible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 24 child comments replies: [–] RandomPancake@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (25 children) This is honestly the best take on the issue I've seen so far. I am the first person to say we need to break the two-party stranglehold on politics. We need independent candidates in office yesterday. But this election is the abso-fucking-lutely worst time to make a run at that, because that third party vote WILL be a vote for Trump. And if you firmly believe that third party or independent politicians have a place, elect them to your local city council or school board or state legislature. That is where they will make a real, actionable difference. A vote against Biden, no matter who for, is a vote for Trump. No amount of TikTok "well ackshually" will change that reality. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 25 child comments load more comments (25 replies) load more comments (22 replies) [–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago Then you better start pushing your party to primary him or get someone else in there. His shitty numbers didnt start overnight, theyve seen the writing on the wall and refused to acknowledge it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Biden's arrogance on this is incredible, though of course he's part of the party establishment so that's to be expected. "You aren't allowed to complain about anything and if we don't win this election it's all your fault" is not, it turns out, a winning campaign slogan. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (21 replies)
[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 49 points 2 years ago (23 children) It sucks, but it’s reality. Yep. We legitimately have zero options besides voting for Biden. And I sincerely hope enough voters realize that, because trump will be worse. The only thing we can do till 2028 is make a lot of noise about how this shit is unacceptable and Dems need to do better Unfortunately the DNC knows that while we say it's unacceptable, we still have to vote Biden or risk trump. Which is why the DNC has spent 30 years drifting further and further right. They have captive voters and are willing to risk Republican rule so Dems can be as rightwing as possible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 24 child comments replies: [–] RandomPancake@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (25 children) This is honestly the best take on the issue I've seen so far. I am the first person to say we need to break the two-party stranglehold on politics. We need independent candidates in office yesterday. But this election is the abso-fucking-lutely worst time to make a run at that, because that third party vote WILL be a vote for Trump. And if you firmly believe that third party or independent politicians have a place, elect them to your local city council or school board or state legislature. That is where they will make a real, actionable difference. A vote against Biden, no matter who for, is a vote for Trump. No amount of TikTok "well ackshually" will change that reality. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 25 child comments load more comments (25 replies) load more comments (22 replies)
[–] RandomPancake@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (25 children) This is honestly the best take on the issue I've seen so far. I am the first person to say we need to break the two-party stranglehold on politics. We need independent candidates in office yesterday. But this election is the abso-fucking-lutely worst time to make a run at that, because that third party vote WILL be a vote for Trump. And if you firmly believe that third party or independent politicians have a place, elect them to your local city council or school board or state legislature. That is where they will make a real, actionable difference. A vote against Biden, no matter who for, is a vote for Trump. No amount of TikTok "well ackshually" will change that reality. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 25 child comments load more comments (25 replies)
[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago Then you better start pushing your party to primary him or get someone else in there. His shitty numbers didnt start overnight, theyve seen the writing on the wall and refused to acknowledge it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Biden's arrogance on this is incredible, though of course he's part of the party establishment so that's to be expected. "You aren't allowed to complain about anything and if we don't win this election it's all your fault" is not, it turns out, a winning campaign slogan. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 53 points 2 years ago (1 child) Eventhough Trump moved the embassy to Jerusalem and supports the complete destruction of gaza permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RandomPancake@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago (6 children) They don't care. The people pledging to vote against Biden over Israel are typically armchair politicians who get all their news from echo chambers. Facts and reality don't matter; they honestly believe they are "sending a message" and "making a stand". The reality is that they're the 2024 version of 2016's insufferable #voteswap techbros. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Those people don't vote. People are either undecided until the election or already decided. I could fill out the ballot right now. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (5 replies)
[–] RandomPancake@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago (6 children) They don't care. The people pledging to vote against Biden over Israel are typically armchair politicians who get all their news from echo chambers. Facts and reality don't matter; they honestly believe they are "sending a message" and "making a stand". The reality is that they're the 2024 version of 2016's insufferable #voteswap techbros. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Those people don't vote. People are either undecided until the election or already decided. I could fill out the ballot right now. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (5 replies)
[–] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Those people don't vote. People are either undecided until the election or already decided. I could fill out the ballot right now. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Blackbeard@lemmy.world 32 points 2 years ago (1 child) And then Trump will make things infinitely worse, and we'll have to fight that same stupid battle over who's to blame for the next 4 years. Wash, rinse, repeat. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RandomPancake@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) Yes indeed, but the people pledging to vote against Biden because Israel don't care. Or don't believe. Or sincerely think Trump will be better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Shyfer@ttrpg.network 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Or they don't want to vote for a pro genocide President. Tbh, I get it. Your vote is your stamp of approval for a candidate for a lot of people. It's the only way to say their approval that a lot of people have, their only voice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply)
[–] RandomPancake@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) Yes indeed, but the people pledging to vote against Biden because Israel don't care. Or don't believe. Or sincerely think Trump will be better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Shyfer@ttrpg.network 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Or they don't want to vote for a pro genocide President. Tbh, I get it. Your vote is your stamp of approval for a candidate for a lot of people. It's the only way to say their approval that a lot of people have, their only voice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Shyfer@ttrpg.network 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Or they don't want to vote for a pro genocide President. Tbh, I get it. Your vote is your stamp of approval for a candidate for a lot of people. It's the only way to say their approval that a lot of people have, their only voice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[+] JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies)
[–] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (6 children) Yeah, I don't understand hating Biden for something that Netanyahu is doing. And there's only so much Biden could do other than try to play peacekeeper, which he's been doing. Pretty much any other actions require congressional support. Biden isn't a king, he can't unilaterally declare that we're ending all support for Israel. And yet an insane number of people act like he's over there killing Palestinians with his bare hands. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social 15 points 2 years ago (16 children) I know this sounds crazy, but he could not sell them weapons. He is directly supporting what is happening there by doing so. Call back carrier groups, stop selling weapons, and let them deal with their own fucking problems that they caused permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments load more comments (16 replies) load more comments (5 replies)
[–] NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social 15 points 2 years ago (16 children) I know this sounds crazy, but he could not sell them weapons. He is directly supporting what is happening there by doing so. Call back carrier groups, stop selling weapons, and let them deal with their own fucking problems that they caused permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments load more comments (16 replies)
[+] HorseRabbit@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago It's just how liberal centrists sheild themselves from self-reflection. They know there are people to their left, and engaging with their ideas might make them realize their policies and candidates cause harm, so they decide to dismiss them out of hand as aiding the right. This creates a safe narrative where they're always the good guy; people to their right are dangerous lunatics, people to their left are naive fools who are unintentionally helping the lunatics, and they're the only ones behaving responsibly. This allows them to condemn people calling for the end of a genocide without engaging with the fact that their candidate is enabling a genocide. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago It's just how liberal centrists sheild themselves from self-reflection. They know there are people to their left, and engaging with their ideas might make them realize their policies and candidates cause harm, so they decide to dismiss them out of hand as aiding the right. This creates a safe narrative where they're always the good guy; people to their right are dangerous lunatics, people to their left are naive fools who are unintentionally helping the lunatics, and they're the only ones behaving responsibly. This allows them to condemn people calling for the end of a genocide without engaging with the fact that their candidate is enabling a genocide. permalink fedilink source parent