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[–] 219 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

How can we make that sooner?

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  • [–] 48 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    use their cheapest plan, burn their tokens, burn the hole in their budget. could backfire though as then "clever analysts" will claim that demand is up and eager bankers will shell out more cash

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  • [–] 44 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Or educate the people around you that "AI" is not the magical fairy dust machine that can do anything imaginable. Might be better than giving them any money at all.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

    The people actively using AI are not an issue of lacking education on how bad it is. Just a quick example is of an upper management asshole who absolutely "loves" AI. Reality is they shit out slop but their direct reports undo the damage to protect their jobs. I know of more than a few developers in a tough spot where they are credit card slaves so work invisible overtime to compensate. They did this to themselves and are trapped in AI hell.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

    Look to your superannuation plan. Most providers have a conservative plan that's little or no shares. If lots of people transfer the message will be loud and clear. At that point the markets will dump AI and things will eventually normalize. I suspect this is already where the elite have their money, given the present warnings.

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    [–] 167 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    Oh boy, I can't wait for my tax dollars to go to bailing them out instead of food and healthcare

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  • [–] 24 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Don't worry, we can't bail them out this time. There's just not enough money, each bailout is exponentially bigger than the last one and this time the bubble is bigger than the rest of the global economy

    We'll probably destroy the global economy buying them just a few more months anyways though

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  • [–] 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Better start preparing to grind the economy to a halt when they try it. This time any occupy Wall Street movements should be heavily armed and wearing plate carriers

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    [–] 92 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

    How can we make them run out in mid-2026?

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    [+] 88 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (13 children)
  • [–] 22 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    While I agree with not buying being better that giving them money. I can't agree with leadership being smart.

    This thing was never going to be profitable. So they either:
    a) they're actively malicious — they were never planning on profiting which means this is basically a pump and dump scheme capable of triggering some form of recession;
    b) they're fucking morons for believing their own fantasies, which judging by their public appearances would track.

    Former seems just as plausible, but my bet is on the latter. These AI bro CEOs seem to be woefully average at best.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Counterpoint:

    They already are losing money. They themselves do not project that they will be profitable until 2030. The idea that "smart people with spreadsheets won't let them lose money" is obviously wrong because they have done nothing except lose money, ever.

    They get thier operating capital from funding, not sales.

    Now, I agree that the gambit is wrong. So you're right. You're just right for the wrong reason.

    Funding is just the cash value of market optimism for the future of your product. High usage props up optimism. Social media IPOs were valued very much based on active users, the idea being that more users meant more opportunity for profit.

    The more people actively using these tools, even if they're just maliciously burning tokens, just add to the "active users" metric. Which makes funding easier. And funding is the ACTUAL way these companies "make thier money".

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  • [–] 15 points 2 weeks ago* (3 children)

    Despite the popular fantasy, the rich and powerful are not stupid.

    Uh... famously untrue. Mental illness has plagued monarchs, pharaohs, and caesers for millennia. That's long before you get to all the quirked up white boys and trad rad girl bosses currently running things.

    You don’t know more about a company or market from passively consuming headlines than the leadership of that company.

    Okay, but you can review their balance sheets and their primary lines of credit. Case in point, Sam Altman is heavily reliant on three big financial partners - Softbank, Oracle, and NVIDIA. Two of these are - themselves - hemorrhaging money thanks to large capital outlays that have failed to produce substantive returns.

    There are finance journalists who get out ahead of this and report their own analysis. And you can find that in a thousand different private journals, substacks, and podcasts. But you can also go do the grunt work yourself if you're ambitious.

    OpenAI's financials have been disclosed already (although the official SEC filing is still upcoming). So... just read them if you doubt what you're reading in the news. But it's not some kind of secret that the business is operating at a loss, with a fixation on debt-fueled growth. The argument is over future projected revenue, which isn't something business leadership can be any more certain of than a passive media consumer.

    I definitely get the knee-jerk impulse to announce "business professionals know more about business than internet idiots". Because, sure. True. But the idea that business professionals don't routinely make bad decisions has some pretty historic well-established counterpoints.

    "The business people know more" line is akin to saying "This used car dealer must know more about the vehicles on his lot than I do, so I can trust him".

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    [–] 52 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Yes but you have forgotten about the technique used by the most skilled and intelligent company leaders to consistently outperform all predictions for years now: Corruption

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    [–] 30 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    I will happy when this bubble bursts. OpenAI, Grok and several other companies offer nothing substantive and if they're burning cash and disrupting economies then just die already.

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    [–] 28 points 2 weeks ago

    Come on, burn faster!

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  • [–] 27 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

    How can I help speed this up?

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    [–] 23 points 2 weeks ago (15 children)

    Any chance of a bunch of used gpus getting sold off from this?

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  • [–] 11 points 2 weeks ago

    Unfortunately they would broadly be systems that need about 15kw, and as part of a board that won't work as discrete parts.

    So you get it, but you'll need a couple of 60 amp circuits to dedicate to it... Also you have no viable video out

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    [–] 22 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

    Doesn’t matter. The regime got what they wanted out of this. The data centers are up, the tech is there, they will just snap it up cheap for use in surveillance and fabricating evidence of dissenters.

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    [–] 21 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    Lemmy, this is the fourth year in a row that "OpenAI bankrupts soon" articles are being posted:

    Year Article Explicit bankruptcy claim
    2023 Business Today — “OpenAI might go bankrupt by end of 2024”, August 12, 2023 OpenAI could go bankrupt by the end of 2024 because of ChatGPT’s high operating costs, mounting losses and dependence on continued Microsoft funding.
    2024 ITPro — “OpenAI could go bankrupt in 12 months if it doesn’t raise some serious cash”, August 7, 2024 OpenAI could go bankrupt within twelve months unless it secured substantial additional financing.
    2025 Braden Kelley — “Is OpenAI About to Go Bankrupt?”, December 4, 2025 The article explicitly asks whether OpenAI is “on the brink of bankruptcy” and argues that its spending and business model may be financially unsustainable.
    2026 Windows Central — “OpenAI might torch $14 billion in 2026, hitting bankruptcy by next year”, January 20, 2026 OpenAI could burn through approximately $14 billion during 2026 and face bankruptcy by mid-2027.

    OpenAI isn't going anywhere.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 weeks ago

    Because they really should be failing. These companies are leveraging against themselves and getting propped up by the government.

    They will get bailed out just like 2008 to avoid a cataclysmic global financial meltdown. I won’t be surprised if other countries chip in to bail them out.

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    [–] 20 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

    It will be a race which AI company holds out longest. All of them are making losses that no company can survive, and if they rise their prices enough to cover the costs, they will basically lose all their customers. Who will then struggle to hire the people back who still know how to do things without AI.

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    [–] 18 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)
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    [–] 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Some big company would invest in openai to keep the bubble alive.

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  • [–] 41 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    That's how they've been operating for years. They'll go public soon enough though, so your 401k will take the hit instead of the parasites on top.

    That's what the SpaceX IPO was about. They were listed on the NASDAQ way earlier than companies are normally allowed to be so the assholes up top could raid your retirement fund despite there being no path to profitability.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    I can’t fathom how people actually contribute to a 401k when it’s run by Wall Street ghouls that stole everyone’s money 20 years ago and never suffered any consequences for it…

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  • [–] 11 points 2 weeks ago

    Because that’s the game. If you don’t play it, they continue to make more and more, while your money decreases in value due to inflation. Best you can do is try to be the bird in the rhino’s back, picking up fleas and scraps.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 weeks ago

    Fingers crossed! Let it burn.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Oh no. That is another whole year to wait.

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    [–] 13 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

    Q3 2027 is when the house of cards falls. I have been saying this since 2025 and I will continue to make this prediction based off of loan and investment terms.

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    [–] 12 points 2 weeks ago*

    That long? Sigh…

    He’ll probably tell Trump he’ll help win the election and get all sorts of tax payer handouts.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 weeks ago

    Faster please. I want to buy computer parts again

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