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[–] 113 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

And they want us to feel bad for pirating media

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    [–] 53 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    He isn't wrong. The last game I pirated was Escape from Butcher Bay, because it wasn't on steam.

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  • [–] 46 points 3 weeks ago

    You wouldn’t steal a car.

    I would if the manufacturer had the right to come take it from me at anytime without any compensation.

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  • [–] 44 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

    Don't know why you're quoting Gabe in this instance, Valve is selling the same "licenses" Sony is, revokable at the whims of the publisher.

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  • [–] 129 points 3 weeks ago (11 children)

    Valve have a long history of ensuring that games purchased are still downloadable for customers who purchased them even after publishers have pulled their game off the store, or of providing refunds.

    Sony has done neither and that’s a core part of the problem.

    Part of this is Valve’s agreements with the publishers.

    Sony could easily do this but they’re poisoned by the music and movie industries.

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  • [–] 96 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    Yeah for all the shit steam gets, I bought that now de-listed Deadpool game like, however many years ago when it first came out (it was okay thanks for asking) and recently started a family sharing thing with my partner on steam, who was surprised to see that not only did I own it, but she could play it through steam's family share. Are they perfect? Hell no, but is Gabe right about this? Hell yes.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 weeks ago

    I bought a game and similarly forgot about it for years, and when I finally got around to playing it there was no discussion board. Come to find out the game was completely delisted, felt like I was in a ghost town, but it was still functional!

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  • [+] 32 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (8 children)
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  • [–] 17 points 3 weeks ago*

    valve (actually the devs) does not put DRM restrictions into most games. most of them don't work without steam because the developer coded it with the expectation that steam will always be there, and that can be fixed with the goldberg steam emulator.

    most games you can just download from ypur library, prepare it for goldberg, and it will work without steam

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  • [–] 6 points 3 weeks ago

    I have this mentality too so it's really weird for me to see so many people just blindly praise Valve. Corporations have great track records until they don't. Don't get too comfortable.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 weeks ago* (8 children)

    As far as my account goes, even when publishers remove games, I still have access to my files.

    This is crucial for community led projects that revive game servers, like The Crew, Hawken or Blacklight Retribution.

    Sony is remotely deleting stuff (or more accurately, threatening to do so)

    Just to clarify: I still prefer buying on GOG but the catalog there is slimmer. Steam so far has been more aligned with their users' rights.

    The fact that a company loses a license to something in a game disallows them to keep selling them, not stealing them back from their customers.

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    [–] 35 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    I remember when Sony joked at Xbox's expense for disallowing secondhand games.... they've basically done the same here. Fuck Sony.

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  • [–] 33 points 3 weeks ago

    Digital storefronts are fine. The actual problem is the lack of consumer protection in console (and mobile) ecosystems.
    On PC, the classic mitigation is piracy.
    But on consoles that seems to be not an option, so there is no way to fight back console company overreach.

    As a consumer, just sticking to PC gaming is the obvious solution.
    Valve is better than Sony because it can't just prevent consumers from going somewhere else. Gabe Newell is just as much a greedy bastard as other big corp CEOs. But judges forced him to allow refunds (btw, GOG has a 30-days-no-questions-asked refund policy without being forced to). And he cleverly price-gauges the game devs with his massive cut rather than the consumers. Combined with the threat of delisting games that are available cheaper in other shops, he secured his quasi monopoly.

    As usual, vote with your wallet - while you still can.

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  • [–] 30 points 3 weeks ago

    Oh the irony:

    ...Yes I could open it in my browser to avoid this (and the ads)

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  • [–] 30 points 3 weeks ago

    Piracy is a responsible, meaningful response to ongoing investor-driven enshittification. Investors are hell bent on reverse robin hooding the economy and they’ll keep at it until it’s no longer profitable to do so…

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  • [–] 24 points 3 weeks ago

    I agree that it's not a price issue because I wouldn't mind paying inflated prices if that money went to the workers. It would be worth it, in fact. But the corporate entities that get that money while the workers get laid off.

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  • [–] 23 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    I think a thing this highlights is a moral line. With piracy now being easier and ubiquitous, and a clear alternative to orgs monopolizing and ignoring their user base. I think the one thing they are overlooking is the moment someone does it once. The moment they install something like stremio and realise how effortless it is the org has lost a user. Not even because of cost, but because they have taken advantage of the user...so its fair game to take advantage back.

    I used to eat MacDonald's...usually took the kids say fortnightly, and one day i just didn't because it got crap and expensive. One you step over the line and they lose you, they lose you.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    I used to pirate, don't anymore.

    1. I was young, it was convenient, and satisfying. Eventually, I relented to the idea that I was doing it more for personal reward than for any kind of "fuck the establishment" message.
    2. I got a good-paying job, and felt the satisfaction of buying a good game on sale with my own money.
    3. I still maintain, as do most people, that tons of publishers are scummy and anti-consumer, but I also built more positivity towards developers that don't exhibit such behaviors.

    Even if Steam were to somehow go down for a month, by now I've learned about other storefronts and methods of purchase that provide a place to move to. There's a devoted centrism to the way people consume most media franchises that basically guarantees they can flip prices to infinity, control purchases, and never suffer consequences, and piracy absolutely feeds into that; helping them to paint themselves as victims to policymakers while they rake it in.

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  • I was traveling across the us without a car about a year ago. Long story. Was stranded, pulling a long night til the next bus instead of sleeping rough. Only place to get fluids nearby was a McDonalds.

    It was painfully expensive, and genuinely felt like I was being fucked with and screwed over when I ordered. I just wanted a cup full of caffeinated sugar-water and someplace warm to sit. It sucked so fucking much. It was fucking unpleasant. Eventually I hydrated, pissed, and just left to wait outside for the last few hours.

    I looked through food. I couldn't justify paying those prices for that shit. It genuinely didn't seem like food prices. I couldn't. The next day I found a more reasonably priced 7/11.

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    [–] 20 points 3 weeks ago* (3 children)

    Fuck Sony.. Period.

    Vote with your money and time. Don't give them any.. if you do.. then can't complain.

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    [–] 19 points 3 weeks ago

    if buying something does not give ownership then piracy is not stealing

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  • [–] 15 points 3 weeks ago

    As it has been for all of time: as long as Tom is trying to eat Jerry, Jerry will find new inventive ways to kick Toms teeth in.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (5 children)

    The ps5 debacle is a bigger problem, alongside the Stop Killing Games Initiative.

    Edit: SKG is a good thing*

    I hate to say it. But the general sentiment will lead to crackdowns on VPNs because they are the only thing between us and corperations for ownership.

    Legislatures are already trying to stop us from having privacy, but the corporate lobby tied to the privacy lobby is a deadly situation.

    I am lucky enough to have my media where i want it to be, but i am so nervous now that the general public is getting involved - i have a number of friends who would never have asked about this kind of stuff buying hardware.

    Im not really sure where that leaves us.

    But fucking god damnit. Im sad that it has gotten us here.

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    [–] 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    I mean let's be real, it's both

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    [–] 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    A few years ago I bought Star Wars squadrons in steam. It hasn't worked in years (I never made it through the single player story.) I never understood why. It was not my antivirus, it was not my VPN. It wasn't even my OS. I used Windows 11 briefly (I originally had it on windows 10) and it still didn't work. I am on Linux mint and it doesn't boot up.

    Now recently I bought RoboCop Rogue city on steam. I originally had it pirated, but on Linux mint it had a hard time booting up. I thought buying it would fix that.

    Nope. It did not. Now I spent 40$ on a digital paperweight.

    If we pay for something. We have a reasonable expectation for it to work.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    I hate to be that guy but did you try changing which version of proton its using? I know for some games you gotta change it for it to boot properly.

    I do agree though it should just work, but you gotta remember unlike consoles PCs are made of many different parts and not all agree with eachother. Developers can only test so many configurations.

    I remember when no man's sky came out, so many people had issues while mine booted and worked properly. Thankfully steam does offer refunds.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    It's closed platforms the issue. You buy an expensive machine, pay extra for the disk drive and now they will stop making disks, you have no option.

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    [–] 7 points 3 weeks ago

    If someone would make a gog/bandcamp for TV and movies, I'd use it. But the only way to view either is through DRM-encumbered physical media or rent-like payments (e.g. streaming and DRM-encumbered "purchases"). I don't want my files like that, thanks very much.

    So I actually pay for far more music and games than I do TV shows and movies. Funny how that goes.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

    I don't get it. Steam doesn't sell disks, right? The popular meme is that everyone is shooting themselves in the foot while Valve is doing nothing and winning. But now Sony is just saying they will do what Valve does. Why is everyone so pissed about it? Suddenly everyone loves disks?

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  • [–] 31 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    In a sense you're correct but in reality it's slightly different because Valve has competition with other digital storefronts as well as the rare physical PC release. Even though Sony are also the ones manufacturing PlayStation discs, they were sold by third parties, and even had the used market for their digital storefront to compete with, keeping prices and sales comparatively in check. If you can only get PlayStation games from a single place, price fixing is going to be easy because customers have nowhere else to go.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    There was a reason people bought consoles. One of those was physical media and the fact you actually owned your copy, could resell it and lend it out. So this has nothing to do with Valve who has almost always been digital. If you want to compare it, you'd need a hypothetical like "Valve always sold digital games but will now switch to disk only games."

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  • [–] 7 points 3 weeks ago

    People who cared about physical games haven’t been PC gamers for 20 years. You could still care about physical games on consoles until about last week.

    Valve is also good to gamers with consumer friendly pricing and their client extends the gaming experience rather than running in the background, mostly useless like the console features and the other store fronts.

    I also don’t care for steam but I’m not upset about it because I just stopped playing on PC for years. The games I do play, still came out on disc. I remember that CoD MW2 was the game that broke the camels back, even though you installed it off the disc, it still wouldn’t launch without steam. (Same with HL2 but I knew that going into it and didn’t buy it)

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    [–] 6 points 3 weeks ago

    For me it's also a price issue, after my streaming more expensive year on year at some point I just stopped and paid for VPN and Usenet.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 weeks ago

    Been feeling this lately with HBO, there app has gone to shit and I'm debating just pirating "the wire" instead of going through the service that we (my partners parents) already pay for

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